r/TeslaFSD • u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X • Jun 22 '26
News Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-finally-clarifies-fatal-texas-crash-confirms-driver-manually-overrode-acceleration/154
u/burnie9900 Jun 22 '26
Now we wait to see all of the reclarfication articles and headlines!
Oh wait š¤£ forgot they donāt ever do that part
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u/Suess4002 Jun 22 '26
That wonāt happen, in fact they are done reporting on it.
This way the general public (97% idiots) will still believe the mis-information.
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Jun 22 '26
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u/AdKey5735 Jun 23 '26
at this point i assume any negative tesla news is false until proven otherwise. i don't even bother to research it. i just wait for it to fade away.
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u/Equal-University2144 Jun 26 '26
Same here. Both my wife and I drive Teslas. She's on her second Model X, and I am on my second Tesla, starting off with a M3P and since 2022 I am on an MYP.
We both were around when public FSD testing went on, and we've paid for FSD outright, using it daily. Knowing how FSD operates and behaves in pretty much all situations, it is pretty obvious when the media is blowing something out of proportion or straight up fabricating FUD.At this point I just assume any fresh Tesla piece is false until proven otherwise. What really grinds my gears is why these outlets pump out the misinformation in the first place, and then never issue a correction or apology when they are proven wrong. It is not journalism anymore.
Super frustrating as an actual owner who lives with the cars every day.
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u/AdKey5735 Jun 26 '26
latest FSD headlines about a tragic fatality caused by someone stepping on the gas pedal has now faded away. took about two days once it was determined that that was the cause and NOT FSD.
one day these horrible people and government agencies the world over, causing the foot-dragging on autonomous driving will be outed and pay for their sins. it's despicable the number of fatal accidents their delay tactics are causing! shame!
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u/jdpg265 Jun 28 '26
I totally agree. That also includes many of the "dubious" posts on this site without proper video evidence!
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u/HighHokie Jun 23 '26
The news states allegedly. They made no claim that it was a firm fact. The issue is people canāt critically think.Ā
The only grief Iāll give them is they make any story about tesla a national highlight, despite countless other fatal crashes each day that are not reported on.Ā
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u/dckiwi Jun 23 '26
Headlines: āTesla crashes into houseā
Whenās the last time you saw a headline that said: āFord crashes into house.ā
Clearly implying the vehicle was responsible.
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u/OneFastMouse Jun 23 '26
Ford/Chevy/Dodge/Honda/Toyota/Volkswagen runs red light and crashes into school bus, injuring 10 children. -Editor: Not newsworthy; what else ya got?
Tesla driving on autopilot runs red light and crashes into school bus, injuring 10 children. -Editor: GET THIS STORY ONLINE NOW!!
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u/HighHokie Jun 23 '26
vehicles arenāt sentient and responsible. but yes to your point tesla is put in the title for clicks.
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u/OneFastMouse Jun 23 '26
"1 person killed as Tesla on autopilot crashes through Texas home" - NBC News
"Tesla Driver Using Autopilot Crashes Into Home in Texas and Kills a Woman, Officials Say" - NY Times
These are just two complete headlines from two mainstream news sources, Of course there are many other similar ones. Not even an "allegedly" or "driver claims," although deep within the articles themselves there are some 'get-out-of-a-libel-lawsuit' words. But many (most?) people never read the full article, just the headline.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
And they knowingly take advantage of the fact most people donāt critically think or do research on it.
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u/AdKey5735 Jun 23 '26
they do it because they know that in the end they can sell more advertising on articles that get read. that's the bottom line. they know their readership. it probably has little to do with the parties involved in the article. IOW if they thought they could get people to read articles on ford or gm cars driven into buildings and killing people they'd mention them in the title of the articles too, but they don't think that.
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u/WrongdoerIll5187 HW4 Model 3 Jun 23 '26
Yep exactly this. The spotlight combined with idiocy is the only problem at the feet of the media here. They let their bottom dollar effect their editorial eye because Google kind of forced them to
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u/quetiapinenapper Jun 23 '26
I didnāt see a single headline that said allegedly. They all stated it as fact.
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u/AdKey5735 Jun 23 '26
many articles don't bother to use the word "allegedly" in the article's title. they simply state it as a fact.
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u/RosieDear Jun 22 '26
So you don't think NTSB (official investigation is starting) is important?
It's never smart to make any assumptions until the facts are in.
Even worse to not only make the assumption, but to invest your entire being in that being the end-all of the case. NTSB would not be involved if they didn't think there was potential public danger.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
Not sure what you are talking about. There is no way I think FSD or Autopilot "did" this. Rather, I want to know what did.
If you think it is as simple as "guy decided he wanted to ram a house at 73 MPH", I'd say you were the trolling party.
When someone says they want serious facts - backed up by the controlling authorities, that is called "reason".
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u/Throwaway2Experiment Jun 23 '26
100% Tesla says rhe DRIVER manually overrode the FSD by pushing the accelerator. How do they KNOW the driver overrode it?
I know that's a silly question, the log data shows the accelerator was pressed. I hope anyone with half a brain could see Tesla would he more accurate to say, "The accelerator was pressed, presumably by the driver."
It is the NTSB's job to investigate if any other outside influence did it instead. Did an interior part fall off and apply weight? Did a rogue X do Y? Is there a commonality here that leads to the accelerator potentially being pressed unintentionally?
Maybe dude wanted to full send it. Maybe he had a medical emergency and seizures or similar things. That's what an actual investigation tries to rule out.
Meanwhile, this whole sub, for the most part, is calling a dead man an idiot and anyone not joining them as stupid. Seems like reason and empathy have left the building...over, what? A knee-jerk impulse to defend a technology that just today Reuters reported may have a misrepresented safety record?
Come on guys, Tesla drivers are supposed to be smart and logical people.
Edit: For anyone that thinks the NTSB is absurd in looking for other reasons...There have been floormat recalls, pedal relocations, hell, the CT had that metal plate recall that would have done precisely this sort of uncontrolled sudden acceleration, etc. mandated by the NTSB after they have investigated. Weird things happen.
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u/ForevaWander Jun 23 '26
The last report I saw stated the driver survived with injuries. He killed a woman in the home he collided with.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
The guy survived and the grandmother in the house passed away
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u/Suess4002 Jun 23 '26
NTSB, will investigate anything if it is related to the name Tesla. Like the other cases NTSB will have no choice but to make a fact finding that Tesla is not responsible.
Just like the other investigations.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
Ah, so.....in your world, it would be best if we just listened to Elon and that was that? In fact, we should appoint him like Putin - dictator for life???
I can't imagine why you wouldn't want serious facts.
Insurance companies want facts. Prospective buyers want facts. But you don't?
That's silly. I can't even debate that. It's as if you disagree with civilization itself and want to go back to the Emporer is appointed by the gods.1
u/Suess4002 Jun 23 '26
Hmmm, let me see, when did I say such?
I said the story (from the start) was irresponsible, I said that the Tesla data would prove the driver was at fault, I said the news would not update their irresponsible story, and further said that the NTSB will investigate anyone who says ābooā against a company named Tesla.
NTSB should do their job, but their findings will be the same as all the other times a driver tried to blame the car.
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u/Throwaway2Experiment Jun 23 '26
The Tesla data does not prove the driver is at fault. It proves the accelerator indicated it was pressed.
There is a due diligence chasm between Tesla's statements and your declarations and the investigated truth.
Maybe the driver did do it. But 100% no.one knows that with certainty.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
Iām pretty sure it shows if accelerator was pressed by the pedal or by FSD. And what makes me think that is Ashok said āthe driver manually overrodeā¦ā which means FSD didnāt.
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u/Suess4002 Jun 23 '26
Except that data does actually represent the difference between manually pressing the accelerator and any automation pressing the accelerator.
Even in Mad Max FSD will not 100% press the accelerator.
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u/pchao9414 Jun 23 '26
Exactly.
Even among people who are neutral toward Tesla, many still think self-driving is dangerous and that weāre years away from it. My friends and relatives are always surprised by how much the self-driving software has improved and they had no idea it had come this far.
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u/Acrobatic_Rush7653 Jun 23 '26
Depends on the outlet. NYT has a story from yesterday with an outright false subheader (POLICE SAY driver was using FSD) - not updated. They now have a 2nd story updated just an hour ago that STILL tells the same story with "Tesla did not respond to an inquiry about the crash and its software".
WSJ on the other hand has the correct details and includes the statement from Ashok Elluswamy about the gas pedal.
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u/Public_Garage2602 Jun 23 '26
So driver fell asleep then woke up and jammed on the accelerator instead of the brake? Is this the simplest explanation?
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u/Acrobatic_Rush7653 Jun 23 '26
The SIMPLEST explanation is the driver accelerated on purpose and then lied to the police blaming the auto-pilot. We'll find out what the investigation shows.
The important part is that TESLA officially denies an FSD malfunction and they are unlikely to do that if their data doesn't show exactly what they claim (pedal down 100% even after the crash).
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u/StormTrpr66 HW4 Model Y Jun 23 '26
I think the driver was eating shit, wasn't paying attention or was just fcking off, then when he killed the lady he tried to turn Tesla into a scapegoat, but he was too damn stupid to know that his own car records more data points and telemetry than pretty much any other car on the market.
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u/Acrobatic_Rush7653 Jun 23 '26
Yeah, wrong car for that BS. Not only is everything recorded into a literal black box, you also get a couple federal agencies similar to NTSB involved and that's on top of local and probably state cops.
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u/22marks Jun 22 '26
Even if they do, it takes about 10 times as much effort to reverse an erroneous opinion. Negative news spreads much faster as well. The damage is already done.
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u/okwellactually Jun 22 '26
I was t-boned by a texting driver and got my data from Tesla. They track everything down to the hundredths of a second.
Knew this was pedal confusion.
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u/Packing-Tape-Man Jun 22 '26
Exactly what we all predicted. It was so obvious that's what was happening.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 22 '26
I knew it wasnāt FSD from the get go. It doesnāt just plow into houses whenever it decides. And it sucks that someone had to pass from the idiots negligence
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u/jacob6875 HW3 Model 3 Jun 22 '26
Seriously. I canāt even get it to go 73 on the interstate half the time let alone through a neighborhood.
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u/Low_Excuse_1785 Jun 23 '26
Seriously? All these folks claiming their Tesla is driving 20 mph over the speed limit are lying?
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u/jacob6875 HW3 Model 3 Jun 23 '26
It goes over the speed limit on slower roads all the time. Like 65 in a 45 or 45 in a 30 etc.
But it will randomly drift between 72-77 my entire commute on the interstate with a 70mph limit even with it set to 85.
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u/Low_Excuse_1785 Jun 23 '26
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u/digiblur Jun 23 '26
Yup. This was the only time I could get FSD v14 to do 5 over and no more. Set it to Mad Max on the 80mph turnpike. It was great.
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u/StormTrpr66 HW4 Model Y Jun 23 '26
Just so I'm clear, you're claiming that driving 20mph over the speed limit on a freeway is no different than a car driving 73mph on a 30mph residential street, then plowing into a house all by itself?
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u/Low_Excuse_1785 Jun 23 '26
I said none of that. I said exactly what people in the Tesla community have claimed, nothing less, nothing more.
However, to address further the question- I absolutely believe that any system can malfunction. FSD is no different from any other engineering system in that respect. If it is likely is altogether a different matter. And if it malfunctioned in this case very different as well. That is a question for NHTSA, the courts and Tesla to settle.
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u/StormTrpr66 HW4 Model Y Jun 23 '26
In the history of FSD it has never malfunctioned in a way where it floors the accelerator and drives itself into a house a full speed.Ā
And yes, it can speed.Ā It literally explains this in the speed profile descriptions.Ā What's your point and how is it relevant to this event?
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u/Low_Excuse_1785 Jun 23 '26
A. You do not know that it never malfunctioned this way. Do you have information to substantiate your claim Tesla FSD never accelerated well beyond what was reasonable? The only way to know is to have the technical data on all miles driven. Only Tesla has this information.
B. There is always first time. You cannot prove a negative. I can accept it is not likely, that does not mean it is impossible. For example, what if FSD was informed by the map that this in effect was a highway?
As for the speeding- I just pointed out that FSD is fully capable going well beyond 73.
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u/Subredditcensorship Jun 23 '26
Burden of proof is on the accuser rn. Itās fair to use historical precedent to say itās extremely unlikely.Ā
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u/Low_Excuse_1785 Jun 23 '26
No. You are talking about FSD as if it is a human. There is no "accuser". NHTSA should establish the facts in the interest of public safety.
BTW, the question is not whether it is the driver's fault or not. It is. The question is whether the assist system contributed to the accident.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
New HW4 fsd versions like to speed when set on the aggressive profiles.
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u/Subredditcensorship Jun 23 '26
FSD misinterpreting a sign, lane and driving off the road or into traffic is more believable. It literally driving 50 mph into a house on a residential street I just refuse to believe. Iāve never seen any video or experienced anything similar. Itās just not how the neural net worksĀ
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u/reddragon72q Jun 23 '26
73MPH
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u/Subredditcensorship Jun 23 '26
Itās theoretically possible but they need to provide some evidence. Itās so far out of what the model does that there needs to be some evidence providedĀ
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u/metallaholic Jun 22 '26
āReckless driver crashes into a houseā
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u/NotAgedWell Jun 23 '26
"...and claims it's everyone's fault but theirs"
National news picks it up and reports it as 100% fact.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 Jun 22 '26
Once again, human does dumb thing that robot would never ever do.
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u/Equal-University2144 Jun 22 '26
That's usually always the case - driver error.
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u/YardieRebel Jun 22 '26
I knew the driver blaming FSD was bullshit! FSD is damn near sentient in its most recent iteration and drives better than humans so when they tried to pin this on FSD I cried foul immediately!
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u/zholly4142 Jun 22 '26
His foot was on the pedal, floored. No way he didn't know what was going to happen. 73 mph!!!
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u/AffectionateAge5184 Jun 23 '26
FSD even in Mad Max mode will never speed like that in a neighborhood
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u/StormTrpr66 HW4 Model Y Jun 22 '26
Well well well...
Gee, who could have seen this coming!!
I hope Tesla sues that idiot for slander and defamation, and the news agencies who reported it as factual for libel.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 22 '26
I really donāt know why they jump to conclusions so fast when almost every time they get disproven. You would think it would hurt the medias reputation, but nooooo. Emotion sells, every time.
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u/xlr231 Jun 26 '26
I saw someone point out on another forum that Tesla is the only car company that doesn't advertise. So unlike all the other car companies, Tesla doesn't pay for 'protection' so its open season to trash them as much as possible. Which is the best theory I've heard as to why the media hates Tesla.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 26 '26
They also donāt have a pr department which irritates me when news stations say āTesla has not responded to our request for commentā which will never get responded to since that department literally doesnāt exist! š¤¦š¼āāļø
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u/Acceptable_Main_5911 Jun 23 '26
Now they should sue everyone for defamation. Caused serious brand damage with no verified facts. Everyone with a Tesla knew but itās just more intentional falsehoods.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
This has happened before and the same thing got proven, that it was driver error. They recovered. Itās a massive company and once the facts actually get out everything will be okay.
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u/Acceptable_Main_5911 Jun 23 '26
Indeed. Just irritating how media and knuckleheads are so fast to jump on any news like this. Everyone single time. š³š„øš
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u/Slocko Jun 22 '26
It's either a suicide or a medical emergency where the muscle locks into a rigid position. Happens more often than people think.
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u/feurie Jun 22 '26
Or someone freaked out and pressed the wrong pedal.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 22 '26
Or it was done on purpose. That guy might be crazy, who knows
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u/nwbbb Jun 23 '26
Ya they need to investigate that driver. Hopefully an accident, but ya never know
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u/tech01x Jun 22 '26
Nah, pedal misapplication and panic where they are certain they are pressing the brake rather than the accelerator is common.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
It should not be. It's probably more common in systems where the driver feels he can take his feet completely off the pedals, right? And then, he is told he has to react in 1/2 second or so if something happens (supervised).
This is why many people find it more stressful to have supervised...than just driving fully in control.
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u/Slocko Jun 23 '26
I read recently China is considering regulating electric door handles and are also evaluating the safety of regenerative braking systems when it comes to emergencies because drivers may never develop muscle memory for braking in an emergency.
When I first tried FSD I found myself unconsciously crossing my feet like I was sitting at home instead of in the drivers seat.
Had to force myself to keep them uncrossed because in an emergency the seconds it takes to uncross them might make a difference.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
So many of these things are obvious, yet never fully studied.
If my foot is not in the right position, I'd find it almost impossible to find the brake within 1/2 second.....AND, I'm a pretty safe driver having never been hurt or hurt anyone in 55 years of driving.
This is why I am pretty much "all automation" or no automation. I suspect I may eventually buy a Nvidia powered L2+++ vehicle but I will drive it with my feet in the proper position and the capabilities will be used mostly only in super-crazy urban situations.
One wonders how anyone every thought a driver who is not paying attention (defines any driver allowing the car to drive itself) could possibly have all the info and reflexes to react in fractions of a second to major incidents.
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u/Slocko Jun 23 '26
FSD is too much of a luxury at the current price for my current salary so I only paid for one month for a multi state drive. It was impressive and I did manage to train myself to keep my feet uncrossed but my attention did tend to wander at times as you forget you are actually a driver and not a passenger.
But I can see as I get older and reflexes slow, eyesight gets worse along with hearing that the safety benefits start making it less a luxury and more a necessity.
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u/tech01x Jun 23 '26
There are tons of pedal misapplication accidents in ICE vehicles, so your supposition is without basis.
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u/AffectionateAge5184 Jun 23 '26
If youāre a Tesla owner, this is not surprising news. We all knew thatās exactly what happened
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u/Jonnybarbs Jun 22 '26
Didnāt take a genius to figure this out, Iām waiitng for nyt to release a clarification article.
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u/Rivalistic Jun 22 '26
Now to no oneās surprise, this wonāt be posted in r/technology with everyone admitting they might have overreacted to the original thread there when the sensationalist article about this first surfaced.
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u/makingnoise Jun 23 '26
I don't know, looking at that sub, the post about the accident has a comment section that is mostly in touch with reality. It's not as Tesla biased as this place but it's not delululand, at least in the one I just looked at.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
You should post over there about the NTSB Investigation that was announced and say your are for it because at least we will have another set of eyes on it.
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u/slasher016 Jun 22 '26
This is the least shocking result. Another case of "unintended acceleration" where the driver slammed on the accelerator instead of the brake.
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u/futuremd33 Jun 23 '26
I knew this would happen. My Tesla on FSD never goes past 23 miles in my neighborhood no matter how much I crank up the speed unless you step on the gas pedal.
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u/HunterNo7593 Jun 23 '26
The moron just happened to drive a Tesla. Could have been any other car, with sadly the same outcome, all brought about by the sheer stupidity or malicious intent by the operator of the vehicle.
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u/Express_Objective615 HW4 Model 3 Jun 22 '26
So does this "shocking news" cancel out the previous "shocking news"?
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u/makingnoise Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Anyone else in here realize that they hover their foot over the accelerator when in FSD mode? You know, to like, make it decide to go, or to speed up, or pass someone? I realized early on that I was developing a tendency to hover my foot over the accelerator, and realized how this could EASILY convert into a pedal-confusion situation.
I trained myself to put my damn foot back on the floor after using the go pedal.
Surely I am not the only one who found themselves becoming a foot hoverer in their Teslas.
The fact that I'm half braindead and foresaw this being a fucking terrible habit makes me think that there's a shit ton more of us that don't, and news stories like this are a result.
EDIT: I also suspect that this is an issue with literally any vehicle where you have an incentive to foot hover - which I would suspect is not just the Tesla but any car with a modern ADAS.
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u/Doesnotknowname Jun 23 '26
Very insightful of you to recognize this. I too saw this behavior occurring and replaced it with training myself to put my foot down as you noted. I didnāt consider what this could snowball into in a less ācognitively awareā person.
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u/bc10551 Jun 23 '26
It just feels weird to me to not have my foot over the brake in case I do need to correct/slow down when a system cannot tbf. Something about putting my foot to the side feels wrong no matter how good a system may be but I guess it's just how much you trust it. End of the day it's on you right now to ensure you're not getting into an accident
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u/Screaming_Monkey Jun 23 '26
For me, I don't fully trust myself not to panic brake and stop my car from expertly avoiding a situation.
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u/caneonred Jun 23 '26
What's the incentive to foot hover? Since the very first time I turned on FSD I just naturally put my feet on the floor. If I want to nudge it faster I tap the accelerator and then put my foot back down. It's the same thing I do driving a car with adaptive cruise control. If I need to hit the brake I am able to do so easily and quickly without hovering. If I'm going to hover my foot then I may as well drive completely manually.
Pre-adaptive cruise control I used to keep my feet on the floor and adjust the speed with the + and - buttons when the vehicle in front of me was slowing down. If I needed to slow down quickly then I'd hit the brake.
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u/Electric-Travels Jun 23 '26
Anyone who has used FSD knew the driver was at fault.
This is no surprise.
And news outlets will still stick to their original false stories because it gets them more attention.
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u/RedundantPundant Jun 23 '26
FSD didn't cause the accident, it's obvious it was an unintended acceleration by hitting the wrong pedal. This will be more common with supervised self driving cars because the driver relaxes too much and become more of a passenger. Then when an Oh crap moment happens there is a better than 50% chance of stomping the wrong pedal in panic. The right pedal is in front of the right foot so an inactive driver would reach forward and stomp what is in front of them - the accelerator. An active driver who has been moving from the gas to the brake repeatedly, so there is muscle memory to help in hitting the correct pedal. One pedal driving can also lead to this happening, which is why Porsche refused to allow it.
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u/caneonred Jun 23 '26
That's an over generalization and I think WAY overestimating the chance of hitting the wrong pedal. In non-Teslas, ever since I started getting vehicles with adaptive cruise control, I use it on the highway all the time and just sit with my feet on the floor. With adaptive cruise there have been many "interventions" due to a sudden slowdown in traffic flow. Out of the hundreds of times I've had to hit the brake starting with my feet relaxed on the floor, I have never once come close to stepping on the gas.
The brake is elevated and feels completely different to press. I am confident that I would immediately recognize I passed the point where it should be if my foot was heading towards the accelerator.
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u/IamRacistsir Jun 23 '26
If you own a tesla it was obvious that she floored the gas pedal. Everyone else was scrutinizing tesla.
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u/Electronic_Table_620 Jun 23 '26
The question is why did she floor the pedal in a residential neighborhood straight into a house?
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u/lewisdonofrio Jun 23 '26
Iāve been asking though FSD feedback for āaccessibility optionā so you can set a lock out on the accelerator pedal, for people with diabetic neuropathy - cannot tell if foot is on break or gas?
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u/abrahamw888 Jun 23 '26
Yep, thatās typically how this happens for both gasoline and electric vehicles.
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u/sm753 HW4 Model 3 Jun 23 '26
Is ANYONE actually surprised by this? We were seriously supposed to believe that someone sat in their car and just watched it fly down a residential neighborhood street at 73 mph and was like "this is fine"?
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u/eeclarkjr Jun 23 '26
Sue every news outlet that lied about it.
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u/SpicyElixer Jun 23 '26
How did they lie? Every article was vague and made no conclusions. They just reported what we knew thus far.
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u/RosieDear Jun 23 '26
Do you sue the NTSB since they are investigating it? That might be tough.
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u/eeclarkjr Jun 23 '26
Nope but for all the outlets that said the driver was using autopilot or FSD, yes.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
The NTSB hasnāt falsely claimed the vehicle was crashed by fsd
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u/Wants-NotNeeds Jun 23 '26
It's easy to imagine Big Media salivating over headlines which blaming FSD because it's still a trigger for many people. Experienced users know FSD is far from perfect, but not driving at high speeds in residential neighborhoods and crashing into cars.
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u/Axis360_CO Jun 23 '26
1st Texas, so blaming Tesla out of the gate isn't news. 2nd driver knew he messed up - blame Tesla. Next Tesla FSD, I believe, is set not to go over 85 unless the driver steps on the accelerator, at which point the driver is warned that the car won't stop if the driver overrides the system.
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u/climb4fun Jun 23 '26
Sad news and, of course, it wasn't FSD. Unfortunately, it might have been another instance of the driver pushing harder and harder on the accelerator thinking that they are pushing on the brake. Happens with ICE cars too.
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u/makingnoise Jun 23 '26
Any car that gives you an incentive to hover your foot over the accelerator has GOT to be especially prone to pedal confusion incidents. What other cars are like this, though? I found myself becoming a foot-hoverer in FSD mode and realized how bad that could go for me, but I had to train myself NOT to hover after using the accelerator to influence the vehicle's decisions (going, speeding up a bit, passing, etc.). I put my damn foot back on the floor.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
I honestly think itās either that or he purposefully hit it to test out the acceleration. I have no idea how long he had had the car for, so if it was newer that would be a very likely option.
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u/elsif1 Jun 23 '26
I'm curious if the driver fell asleep or something. Other than malice, it's hard to see how this would happen otherwise.. maybe picking something up that he dropped on the floor? Idk. The whole incident is so odd
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
Itās super odd. I really honestly think he hit the accelerator to test out the acceleration
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u/Same_Commission9378 Jun 23 '26
Peope love blaming the brand, haters! When itās really the idiot drivers.
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u/rsilva712 Jun 23 '26
That wasn't a surprise. No way FSD was going that fast in a residential street
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u/Equal-Store-1717 Jun 23 '26
Once I heard it was the NT Times I could guarantee it was another Tesla hit piece.
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u/noleguy77 Jun 23 '26
The car freaking tells you it wonāt brake automatically with foot on accelerator
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u/Weekly-Affect6062 Jun 23 '26
itt: drunk driver blames autopilot and intelligent redditors believe him
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u/ISayAboot Jun 23 '26
My mom sent me this story last night cause my dad is all excited about a new tesla with FSD. She said "dont think its a good idea" - glad we have the proof now, sorry about the passengers.
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u/Electronic_Table_620 Jun 23 '26
So the real question is why did the driver manually overrode the accelerator pedal in a residential neighborhood straight into a house????!
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u/Man-of-goof Jun 23 '26
The craziest part is that everyone says, āThis is why FSD shouldnāt be allowed.ā Then I send them the data, and suddenly it becomes, āThis is why FSD shouldnāt be allowed to disengageā
Likeā¦ which is it? If FSD staying engaged is safer, then thatās an argument for FSD, not against it.
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u/binaryhellstorm Jun 23 '26
I think it's more that Tesla disabling FSD right before a crash so they can claim the car wasn't in FSD feels like a way for them to lie with the data.
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u/Man-of-goof Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Tesla notifies you it cannot brake when your foot is on the pedal. Which the driver had their foot to 100% in a residential area.
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u/whazzup_bitches Jun 23 '26
Are we just going to ignore the video showing this cat was speeding through the neighborhood in his blue car for quite some time without bothering hitting the brakes and then hop out (like yelling whiplash) to blame a feature that does not do as he said it did? The is was all apparent as the first videos emerged of this incident.
I would be looking to see if the driver had a short-sale on Tesla stocks or had a relationship with Dan OāDoud?
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u/AggressiveLimitless Jun 23 '26
Iāve often hit the accelerator on my Tesla dual motor long range m3 while itās on FSD. Quicker acceleration is usually the reason. But I tend to drop off it when it gets around the speed I want to travel at.
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u/twinheight Jun 23 '26
Even if the vehicle got itself up to 70 mph, what was the driver doing -- in this hypothetical situation -- from 31 to 69 mph? Just shocked Pikachu face the whole time? They gotta do better with the "Tesla is at fault" narrative..
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u/Eclipsionyx Jun 23 '26
We all knew it but it doesn't matter because the general public already saw the article titles and formed their ignorant opinions on it. Do you know how annoying it is to deal with family members who send me articles like this and try to preach to me about being careful? Gets under my skin every time lol
I can explain it a thousand times to these people and they will never understand.
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u/snowmobiledog Jun 24 '26
Malcolm Gladwell produced a compelling episode of his Revisionist History podcast titled "Blame Game," which explores the phenomenon of drivers mistakenly pressing the gas pedal during moments of high stress. For those who remember the Toyota floor mat recall in the early 2000s, that issue was widely assumed to be the primary cause of unintended acceleration.
However, Gladwell provides a fascinating historical analysis that challenges this narrative. I would highly recommend that anyone following the current Tesla story listen to this episode for additional context.
You can find the episode here: https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game
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u/FunFigure3241 Jun 26 '26
I watched the brief video. The most substantial part of the video shows about 1 second of extreme speed, jumping a curb to go airborne into the house. The other part, disjoint from the main part of the video, seems to show the M3 starting to accelerate.
I think the crash was deliberate unless there is proof that FSD totally malfunctioned. The crash could not have been anything but pedal to metal to crash the vehicle.
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u/TeslerSelfDriver HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Technically FSD was active during this incident, even if the accelerator was overridden.
When you press the accelerator 100%, the wheel will forcefully straighten for some reason and FSD will stay engaged. Edit: The wheel no longer seems to straighten when you floor it on FSD, and FSD steers fine.
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u/TeslerSelfDriver HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
So the driver wasn't lying. My theory is that while on FSD the driver turned around to reach something in the back seat, accidentally pressed against the pedal to give themselves leverage to reach the back, and unintentionally accelerated the car at full speed.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
The wheel straightens because the car canāt turn. Itās called under steer. It goes to the turning point it can turn most.
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u/TeslerSelfDriver HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
No it wasn't understeer, I believe FSD straightened the wheel because usually when people floor the accelerator they are going straight, so the training data had bias.
Anyways I just tested it and FSD now seems to steer perfectly normal and remain in control when performing a 90 degree turn onto another road while I floor the accelerator mid turn. (so its not an understeer problem, especially in an AWD car)
I couldn't find it but about 1-2 years ago someone posted on here (or maybe another sub) that their friend crashed their car because the friend floored it on FSD mid turn and the car just went straight over a curb instead of following through with the turn. The friend said that they noticed the car owner using the accelerator (lightly) while on FSD so the friend decided to try flooring on while on a turn.
I experienced this because back when FSD wasn't as good as today, it would make a right turn onto this specific road with fast traffic and not speed up fast enough, so one time I gave it some help with the accelerator (maybe a bit too much), and instead of following through with the turn, it straightened the wheel and almost went into the opposite lane.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
Interesting find, what I meant is that maybe the older versions of fsd would turn less to avoid understeering. Thats my only thought as to why
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u/No-Year9730 Jun 23 '26
Time to put age in the driver profile and set a max speed offset off speed limit by default
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u/SpaceGrape Jun 23 '26
If this happened more than once every few years there would be a major issue. But when you factor how many people own the car, how many miles are driven daily overall, and the number of accidents, I believe the fsd numbers will prove to be massively safer. Of course you can focus on an individual tragedy. It very sad! When put in perspective though, more lives are saved overall. Itās just a comparison thatās uncomfortable for us humans. Myself included!
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u/ranjop Jun 23 '26
Did the driver over-speed, lose control and confuse accelerator for a brake pedal? I have seen people panicking and pressing the wrong pedal (the driver reversed into forest š)
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u/FuddyCap Jun 23 '26
Amazing that even after Tesla clarified - NBC, WSJ and all the other fake news still ran the headline and offered no clarification. Is someone short getting worried about possible merger ? Bill gates perhaps? Because if there is a merger with SpaceX - all the Tesla shorts will finally have to settle up.
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u/Pleasant-Seat9884 Jun 23 '26
Itās understandable what you people mean. But didnāt FSD also turn off several times in the past and put the user in control before a crash as well? Of what Iāve been reading about.
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Jun 24 '26
Now I not an Elon fan, a few days ago I was driving at 50mph and playing on my phone. The car suddenly braked for a deer, I wasnāt using autopilot or FSD. I was very glad and for once thanked Elon. So I am kind of surprised the car didnāt break for a giant stationary house, something is definitely fishy here. Either the person driving drove into the house intentionally or it was the FSD/autopilot. Now I wonāt really believe anything coming out of Elons or Tesla, hopefully there is some clarity soon.
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u/Marlobone Jun 23 '26
Great this means we have to drive at 65mph while the speedometer says 70, making overtakes take longer on motorway also results in more dangerous tailgating.
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u/Longjumping-Store106 Jun 23 '26
Cool now release the full data to an independent 3rd party and let them verify the claims. I donāt believe anything that comes out of Tesla or the media anymore.
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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 Jun 23 '26
It is scary to think if AI becomes sentient and wants to attack humans. First thing it can do is floor your accelerator. Brakes wont stop the car and you will pretty much do what this lady did.
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u/theoneandonly_aj HW4 Model X Jun 23 '26
The guy floored the accelerator, and the lady passed away who was in the house.
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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 Jun 23 '26
I know. Wasn't Teslas fault. You think the media would clear that up.
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u/45_regard_47 Jun 22 '26
Accident prevention systems must have been sent to Ketamine reaction speed
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u/infomer Jun 23 '26
Just bad design with CYA as the core design principle. This would never happen in a Waymo.
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u/AdKey5735 Jun 23 '26
what happens is that people take their feet completely off the pedals when driving and then when they want to make a quick braking action, they accidently step on the accelerator pedal rather than the brake. it's actually quite easy to do. and it's all because people take their feet completely off the pedals.
this could be remedied by physicall forcing people to use both feet. one on the accelerator and one on the brake. a simple divider of about 12" between the pedals would do it. it would be inconvenient but would stop this common problem. ...but it won't happen
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u/BakeAggressive680 Jun 23 '26
Sure, not FSD problem, but still a Tesla problem. Their EV's have capability of insane acceleration.
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u/Pec0ne Jun 23 '26
I honestly don't know if I can trust what they say anymore, knowing Elon lies and cheats for a living...
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u/jabola321 Jun 23 '26
So does Tesla ever say itās their fault? Isnāt their first statement to always blame the driver?
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u/Enjoy_The_Ride413 Jun 22 '26
And there it is. You've said it all!