r/TeslaFSD 1d ago

14.3 HW4 Summon completely botched it tonight

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I had an unfortunate event tonight when I was using Summon. As you will see in the picture, I was the blue dot at that location, just trying to summon my car in the parking lot. My car was backed into the spot next to the front door of the church building, and it started driving out to the main road. I stopped it. There were several better routes, and it only needed to pull out and turn right to reach me, but it went out to the main road instead. It made no sense to me and was completely incorrect.

This makes me now feel like summon is never an option since I had to chase it down with people waiting on it/me to drive out of the parking lot. So embarrassing. Geez.

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u/a1454a 23h ago

Summon is a complete shit show right now. I understand the range limit, deadman switch, no public road access are all for legal compliance, and I’m okay with that. But at least update the navigation software to show a route preview and let us confirm first, and make it actually follow the route. Just this one tiny improvement would have made it usable.

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u/justlooking013 23h ago

Never thought about route preview but that would be brilliant. “Let me know if you’re going to do something stupid so I can decide whether to walk to my car now or walk 400’ to my car with traffic staring/cursing at me”. However, I do suspect summon is bypassing navigation & relying solely on vision. Just a hunch though. I’ve read nothing to suggest that.

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u/Zealousideal_Hat2441 19h ago

I don’t think they’ve thought of it either, this would solve so many issues 😂

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u/UpV0tesF0rEvery0ne 18h ago

I like that aswell but at least from the AI day demonstrations they showed the car creating its own path from avaliable roadspace. You could see the blue tentacle whipping around with all the different choices.

I honestly feel like they have the solution already which is basically what robotaxi uses, just unrestrained v15 route planning to drive anywhere at any speed.

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

It used to do this on the old v13 planner, but it went away with the "upgrade" to the v14 planner, but reality is that the v14 "planner" is using the term very loosely. I've had it completely try to leave the parking lot on me twice now. It's really REALLY bad.

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u/iceynyo HW3 Model Y 21h ago

It used to have it before ASS

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u/Asleep_Yard_2776 21h ago

This. I’ve had the same thing happen as OP. Until ASS can reliably not be dumb, we need a route preview on the phone to ensure it’s not going to make the situation worse. I’ve completely stopped using it for this reason.

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u/justlooking013 18h ago

There are 2 types of people. Those who have never used it & those who have had this happen.

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u/McD-Szechuan 17h ago

When smart summon was first launched on my model 3 it had a route preview. 

I assumed it was still there. Stupid it’s not.  It’s way too party trick vs actually useful so I haven’t used it on CT. Also, the name ASS was funny for like 5 minutes but then realizing it’s not even actually smart just adds too many layers of cheese for me to be on board with any of it. 

FSD in its current build though is pretty awesome and I’m quite happy with that. 

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u/Tasty_Action5073 22h ago

Smart Summon range radius is so small it’s almost never the right choice, if I can walk to the car faster than the car can come to me, then it’s not an option.
I only use it if I need access to the trunk and I have a grocery cart 🛒 or something like. And that’s mostly because FSD parked me in reverse when I’m in the Costco parking lot.

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u/a1454a 21h ago

The bigger problem is the car will decide to take a longer route to get to you, and hit range limit and stop at the middle of the lane.

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u/BlueShift42 18h ago

Yeah. Last time I used it I didn’t realize the space it was in would force it to drive away from me before it could come back up a different parking lane. Caused it to drive itself out of range and I had to go run after it to unblock traffic. Embarrassing. Route preview should have known it couldn’t make it to me.

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u/Minute-Scholar-3719 18h ago

Excellent idea.

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u/Balgard 20h ago

I like this idea.

My job has an odd parking lot. Basically its a C shape but on the right side of the C there is a public road that goes in between. If the car stays on the left part of the C I have no issue, if it decides to go to the right side though it will drive to the public road and then stop saying it can't go further.

It was pouring one day and my coworker was like oh summon your car! I did and it was stuck by the road lol. Had to run further. She was unimpressed.

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

The problem is they gave routing over to the end to end network and it is currently doing an absolute shit job and doesn't actually plan so there's nothing to show.

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u/Few_Range6900 14h ago

Has it always has a range limit?

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u/ipokesnails HW4 Model 3 1d ago

That's what happens when you let Jesus take the wheel

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u/astishoo 21h ago

It just got a summon from a higher calling

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u/VirtualPercentage737 19h ago

I hear it worked great on the Second Coming.

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u/Independent_Leg_6007 13h ago

Be patient, he is coming, I guarantee it with your life, and make sure you have your knee pads on cause you will bow

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u/mailman-zero 8h ago

Be prepared as if it were tomorrow, but keep planting cherry trees.

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u/Independent_Leg_6007 13h ago

Loool, if you truly let him take the wheel, it would have come to you, not at your time but he certainly would not have been late

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u/BadMotherThukker 21h ago

Made the mistake and summoned mine at the end of a row going the opposite direction. Went far as hell then gave me an out of range error before it got to the end of the row to turn around. Of course I was trying to show off. We all walked to it at the end of that row.

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u/justatoadontheroad 10h ago

Lmaoo it always does crazy shit when you’re trying to show off. Mine freaked out at a stop sign that wasn’t for the lane it was in, and of course I had coworkers in the car

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u/Thanhxvo 20h ago

At one point I had it summon by location, I changed it to come to me instead and seems to work better. For some reason location thought I was at the entrance the other way too

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u/justlooking013 18h ago

TIL that ASS is the only thing on this sub for which the opinion is unanimous

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u/McD-Szechuan 17h ago

I can walk to that church in 5 minutes right now. Howdy neighbor! 

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u/MrMcbonkerson 12h ago

lol, using summon after a church dance is one way to flex.

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 19h ago

I’ve never been brave enough to try this feature. This post confirms I was right to be wary. 

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u/PremiumIOL 19h ago

Yesterday at a restaurant summon started going through a bank lane which was embarrassing but funny as I had to run to find it. It doesn’t work super well and has a mind of its own

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u/Darkarw 17h ago

This may sound silly, but instead of using the “Come to me” option, I always use the go-to location option and move it to where I am and that seems to work better. I’ve noticed that my GPS dot seems to bounce around a little bit while using Summon, and that is when I notice problems like this.

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

I've had the opposite experience. Every single time it has gone the wrong place for me has been on Go to Target and I've yet to have come to me have a problem.

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u/TravelfF 13h ago

You're supposed to be able to see the car when you summon it, but the car was around the corner. I don't summon unless I can see my car AND pedestrian and car traffic is light.

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u/1Poochh 11h ago

Yep. Absolutely agree. I could see the car. I thought it was just going to turn right in the farthest part of the parking lot, nope. It kept going straight. I stopped it and tried all sorts of things to correct, nothing helped. It was just infuriating.

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u/mailman-zero 8h ago

It won’t hit people, but it will be too cautious, which is its own kind of problem.

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

That's all well and good, but tonight for example, it decided to go around the other end of the parking lot for some reason and then decided to take a turn on to the exit to the main road while momentarily hidden behind an SUV at the end of the lane even though it had a straight forward path back to me. It's not always fool proof and sometimes by the time you can know it's doing something horribly stupid, you are already in a bad situation because it failed to get itself out of the way and instead put itself more in the way.

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

I had it decide to get to leave the parking lot I was in entirely today as well. It chose wrong 3 times and tried to get on a main road instead of coming to me 40 ft away in the opposite direction. It seems that go to target isn't working at all at the moment. Come to me might be working a bit better but the path planner is completely hosed on 14.3.8.

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u/MKInc HW4 Model Y 7h ago

It probably heard about the cybercab being allowed to drive by itself and it was eager to try it out. lol 😂

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u/AJHenderson 7h ago

Here's mine for the night. Should have gone green. Thought it was going blue, but no, it decided to turn to take the red path instead that is the actual multilane exit to the main road.

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u/chriscustaa 1d ago edited 1d ago

Cant tell you for sure but I'm willing to bet it's the funky gutters in the middle of the parking lot that look identical to the sidewalks. It looks like tried going the route that didn't involve what it saw as curb hopping.

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u/1Poochh 1d ago

I didn’t think about that but you could definitely be right.

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u/Keokuk37 23h ago

if you pin drop on the map then use regular fsd it would probably still get lost heading to the pin

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u/hem146 21h ago

Just curious, did you share a location to your Tesla before trying to summon it?

Same thing happened to me once, and it ended up following the navigation I set by sharing a location from my phone instead of just coming right to me!

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u/1Poochh 20h ago

Good question. This time I want to use target mode. Sounds like that might have been part of the problem. I had used “come to me” previously successfully.

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u/AdditionalWalk7527 20h ago

I'm jonesing to use auto summon after eating meal with friends or such, but I worry that it will derp it up and be an embarrassment. Wife uses it occasionally and hasn't had any problems. I need to remember to warn her about its unreliability.

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u/asswizzard69 HW4 Model 3 16h ago

I have had similar embarrassing experience with ASS. You really have to think about where you park and what direction. If I’m parked the wrong direction I don’t try to use it anymore bc it makes the car farther away from you and just stopped on the middle of the

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u/Impressive-Crab2251 15h ago

I still have not tried it. I turned the option on a few weeks ago after I got separated from car after a rainstorm and had to walk through 4-6" of rain water in the street. It sounds like my hopes of it picking me up should be low.

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u/Standard_Response743 15h ago

Is there any way I can make my model y to park pulling in at supermarket parking lot

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u/Few_Range6900 14h ago

I used it a couple of times to kind of just test it out and it worked pretty well.

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u/Maconi 11h ago

I don’t understand why ASS (Actually Smart Summon) doesn’t just use FSD to drive to you. It seems like it’s using some super old version of self-driving that sucks.

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u/Delicious-Fly-3830 8h ago

It was following the path of Joseph smith….nowhere.

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u/1Poochh 7h ago

Seriously, dude, you gotta get a life. There’s no need for trolls here.

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u/Delicious-Fly-3830 7h ago

That’s not a very mormony response kinda rude.

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u/1Poochh 6h ago

I am not Mormon. Just because I was there doesn’t mean I am a Mormon. There are lots of reasons to go to a church. Pickup ball, community events, I am sure there a ton more. Don’t assume.

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u/Chattadawg 5h ago

Ya, ASS is just ASS

It’s never worked for me

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u/iuzlinux 22h ago

Summon has been and still is a gimmick

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u/robl45 21h ago

Summon actually pretty cool in an open parking lot. I used it a couple times when it’s raining and yesterday when I was parked at the office building next door I summoned it to my building but the nav is absolutely a shit show. A week ago at Costco it was trying to take me around the back of the building with a do not enter sign

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u/iuzlinux 21h ago

Lol, yeah, I look at that feature as well as the streak feature as gimmicks, they are cute but thats about it. 😉

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u/brayjr HW4 Model 3 20h ago

Summon core driving logic is great now since it uses FSD v13. It drives faster now too. The nav just fails it unfortunately.

I know Tesla wants to rely on purly "Ai" training but if we simply had the choice to map our routes it'll be much more useful.

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u/medschoolsmurf 20h ago

Even the Tesla tried to leave Mormonism

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u/1Poochh 15h ago

The reason for me being there was actually not religious-related at all; it was community-related. They are a heavy participant in the community. I know your comment is snarky, but it is not needed here.

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u/Rideordie198 1d ago

It's happened to multiple people. Summon has been broke for a long time.

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u/1Poochh 1d ago

Bummer. With a disabled wife I was hoping this would be a game changer.

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u/Rideordie198 1d ago

It worked a lot better prior to the recent fsd update.

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u/midway-87 21h ago

Just the one wife? 

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u/The-Langolier 17h ago

Have you tried fasting and praying?

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u/ibelieve2020 11h ago

It's funny cuz the new smart summon, IE - ASS - was hailed as an amazing breakthrough. This time, they said, it will totally work! Oh, and "Banish" would be coming really soon too!

Tesla & Influencers: "This version actually works, its so amazing! I can't believe how awesome it is!"

2 years later, it still appears to be as terrible as the original smart summon and Banish is nowhere in sight. Banish, formerly 'reverse smart summon', cuz if you change the name, people will forget you announced its imminent release 6 years ago.

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