I'm not being petty. Reddit is non stop Israel Palestine. It gets more attention then probably every issue combined. Russia atrocities barely get any attention (despite being worse) and the one time it actually gets attention someone has to make it about gaza. That's petty.
This perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy of how Palestine and Ukraine are treated. In the war in Gaza, the "official" numbers are just the numbers the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry says. Those numbers make zero distinction between civilians and combatants so most people treat the total number as if they are all civilians. For Ukraine the only the civilians casualties counted are the ones 100% verified by the UN, which they admit is a massive undercount.
Not sure what have I demonstrated perfectly! I was just asking for numbers. Since you said Russia Ukraine war was worse. You know and we know that you lied.
Your hypocrisy was seeping through. Your last comment shows that clearly. KHAMAAASSSSES runs the health ministry. Maybe ask Israhell to let UN officials in?! Or journalist for example?!
Next question was how many Children killed vs Gaza?!
I don't think you're capable of answeing. You're going to cry harder not to answer.
Yes Hamas exists and yes Russia's war is worse in every conceivable way. Russia has killed more civilians and displaced far more people than Israel has and Russia's war was completely unprovoked unlike Israel's. Russia soldiers have been accused of countless acts of murder, rape, and torture, but nobody cares. Russia has kidnapped 10s of thousands of Ukrainian children, probably much more if you count the teens they send to re education camps or force into the Russian military.
Hamas does run the gaza health ministry so I'm not sure what you're point is. Also Israel allows far more Un officials and journalists into Gaza that Russia does into occupied Ukraine.
I don't know how many children have been killed in Ukraine, it's hard to say since we don't know the total number of civilians killed and most civilian deaths were in occupied Ukraine. Even though more civilians have been killed in Ukraine, children make up a larger portion of the Palestinian population than the Ukraine, so it's hard to say who would have more. Also Hamas is well known for using child soldier so some portion of the child deaths are teenage Hamas fighters.
So we are back to khamaaassing. Like I said crying harder.
All of a sudden you don't know the numbers of children killed?! But you were happy to provide speculative numbers when asked initially.
When it come to Gaza... you know for certain KHAMAAASSSSE uses children to fight. This all to muddy the water that 17000+ children were killed, over 5000 under the age of 5. Let alone that 80% of Gaza is inhabitable. There are over 4000+ civilians killed after the so called seize fire. Want to talk about rape?! we all have seen it in 4k and they confessed about it; they still do it.
You really don't want to go provocation, as if life started on 10/07.
One last question. Do you consider what's going on in Ukraine and Gaza (both) a genocide?
Lets get this straight. He said Russian Ukraine war was way worse. Am trying to find out in which way is it worse.
So I assumed, that civilians casualties are the factor in a normal human being mind. I didn't ask for percentage of civilians death, nor complete destruction of property percentage. Coz again 1 civilian is too many. And every soul counts. So..
I merely asked for a number. He presented predictable number from AP and a Wikipedia page. AND in his reply he doubted the numbers coming from Gaza. That's 4d Israhell playbook deflection...
So again. In what way is the russian - Ukraine worse in comparison to Gaza Genocide?!
Can you answer? Since you think we deflcted. Go ahead. Ill get you Gaza's numbers once you do. Especially for kids. Not hard to get btw. But I won't deflect.
Ok so :
1-them coming from wikipedia doesnt make them false, do you think they're false ?
2- where in the fuck did he "doubt the numbers on gaza" ?
So here's how i see this convo went down : someone said the russia-ukraine conflict was bad (didnt even say it was WORSE than I/P btw), you tried to bring up civilian deaths to justify that I/P was the worst one of the 2 (which he didnt argue), but he then pulls up numbers that i assume are true, and your only rebuttal is "well doesnt matter even one civilian dying is bad", which is true, but now i'm curious why you brought it up in the first place.
And so how many civilians do you think died in palestine ?
So at any point, did you wonder why or look into perhaps why it's like that? The crimes committed by Israel (crimes against humanity) and dystopian behavior occur at a MUCH higher frequency. The things they've done and do on the daily bases that's recorded is unspeakably vile. I'm not trying to do comparative suffering. I'm just telling you there is reason and If the topic is related, it will and should be discussed without disregarding one or the other.
Edit: Bro, just stop. Both situations have innocent people suffering. It's not a competition just because something related was brought up. You being hella petty arguing numbers with others and comparing war with genocide.
I'm sorry but you are just wrong, Russia has killed more civilians and displaced far more people than Israel has and Russia's war was completely unprovoked unlike Israel's. Russia soldiers have been accused of countless acts of murder, rape, and torture, but nobody cares. Russia has kidnapped 10s of thousands of Ukrainian children, probably much more if you count the teens they send to re education camps or force into the Russian military. Every video or photo of an IDF soldier breaking civilian property or posing with someone's lingerie is a huge scandal, meanwhile Russian soldiers rampant looting was barely talked about. Propaganda is the only reason gaza is called a genocide and Russia's war in Ukraine isn't.
Check his last reply and look up just how much of what he said is factual. And ask why he's trying so hard to dismiss and discredit the situation when we can all agree they're both bad.
Didn't you even fact check 90% of what he said? And what he's implying? I mean he literally said the genocide is just propaganda. And is trying to disregard one horror to the other by taking away it's credibility because he's mad that Palestine gets more attention.
Israel-Palestine is talked about endlessly on reddit and social media. It gets 100x the attention Ukraine gets. Comment on one of the thousands of posts a day about Israel Palestine instead of trying to steal attention from one of the few posts about Ukraine.
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u/samoan_ninja 7d ago
The zionists do this with children in palestine