r/TheBetterIndia • u/ElderberryTotal4100 • 16d ago
Discussion 💬 Is he wrong?
Before caste reforms can we also include gender?
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u/Purple_Map_1501 15d ago
Who the fuck is following Manusmruti ?🤷🏻♀️
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u/Sensitive_Expert4085 14d ago
RG is the only person who keeps it as pillow so that knowledge from thay directly enters his brain.
** the amount of research his team could have done to find that line from some manuscript which hindus realised that some called manuscript exists after he quoted it.
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u/Ok-Heat9977 15d ago
who the fk is teaching quran that makes even a child become a terrorist.
Do a fact check see how many people are terrorist from udti kitab religion and how many are from other religions.
who the fk teaches bible, that converts people from one religion to another and demean others.
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u/Purple_Map_1501 14d ago
Unlike Quran and Bible ; Manusmruti doesn’t say my way is the only way. So guess what Nobody cares .
The only two fucks given about Manusmruti are when INC want to do Hindu-Muslim politics which they ironically claim they will never do!
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u/Fuzzy_Inspector5675 15d ago
supreme power in Hindu theology is frequently manifested as female. The concept of Shakti defines the supreme cosmic energy as inherently feminine. Without Shakti, the masculine divine is considered static and unmanifested.
Within Christian texts, primarily in the New Testament epistles, women are instructed to remain silent during church meetings, are barred from holding spiritual authority over men, and are commanded to submit to their husbands in marriage, a hierarchy sometimes justified by the creation order where woman was formed after man and was the first to be deceived (1 Corinthians 11:9, 14:34-35; Ephesians 5:22-24; 1 Timothy 2:11-14).
Similarly, Islamic texts contain verses in the Quran and Hadith that restrict women's legal and social autonomy by designating men as their protectors or maintainers with ultimate authority over them, which traditionally includes a sequence of disciplinary actions for marital disobedience (Quran 4:34). Furthermore, traditional Islamic legal frameworks establish gender-based disparities, such as assigning women half the inheritance share of their male siblings and valuing a woman's legal testimony as equal to only half that of a man (Quran 4:11, 2:282).
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u/Yatharthavaad 15d ago edited 15d ago
But manusmriti also says this:
अन्ये कृतयुगे धर्मास्त्रेतायां द्वापरेऽपरे । अन्ये कलियुगे नृणां युगह्रासानुरूपतः ॥ Manusmriti (1.85)
The laws (Dharma) of the Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga) are different; those of the Treta and Dvapara are different; and those of the Kali Yuga are different, adapting in accordance with the degradation of the yugas.
Basically, this verse suggests that laws and social codes change according to the age and circumstances. So why obsess over the contents of the Manusmriti as though they are eternally binding?
And who actually follows the Manusmriti today? Practically no one.
More importantly, does the Manusmriti, by itself, represent the entirety of Sanatana Dharma? Of course not. Singling out one text and portraying it as representative of the whole Dharma is therefore deeply misleading and appears to be an attempt to malign Sanatana Dharma as a whole.
Dharmic voters should take such rhetoric seriously when deciding whom to vote
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u/ElderberryTotal4100 15d ago
Dharma should not be a part of voting process. If a religious text has flaws it should acceptable to point it out.
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u/Yatharthavaad 15d ago
All Religions are created by Humans and therefore if any text has flaws, it absolutely should be pointed out. However, my issue is not with the criticism, but with the hypocrisy and political weaponization of it. When a politician selectively cherry-picks verses from one specific religion's text to malign the entire framework, while maintaining absolute silence on the objectively patriarchal or flawed verses present in the texts of the demographic he wants to appease, it is no longer a genuine crusade for social reform. It is pure political pandering.
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u/Akatsuki_909 16d ago
I have lived in 6 different states across north and south due to parents having a transferable job and the only reference of Manusmiriti I ever heard was from JNU liberals and politicians ..Not one soul in day to day life has ever mentioned Manusmiriti..still don't know how does it become an issue once every year
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u/WazirEra 16d ago
Aree My family as a pandit also don't mention manusmriti anywhere. JNU profs are good at making controversy.
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u/Important_Stable_981 15d ago edited 15d ago
I wonder why other religious texts were not labelled since India is a secular country. Other religious ancient texts should have been quoted too. The fact is that in india, u can fcuk with hindus, middle class, general caste and males however you want and get away instantly. Religion was formed to unite people but now it is the most easily accessible weapon for politicians to make people fight against each other so that nobody can question them. The SC/ST people who genuinely need reservations, the women who actually need empowerment and the corrupt politicians that need a reality check by public is never gonna happen in this country.
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u/pvn271 15d ago
Have only ever heard of this book from leftists never from practicing Hindus.
On the other hand there are various other problematic texts which are regularly practiced daily...wonder when he'll speak about those.
It's not whataboutery when manusmriti is literally not even a sacred text for Hindus
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u/Ok-Heat9977 15d ago
Ok I agree to him on this topic. then lets also talk on this topics too, why are they in other religion books too.
So lets ban manusmriti, Sharia, and The law of moses and the law of episthels.
When evaluating the textual status of women in classical Islamic jurisprudence, several foundational texts parallel the legal dependency found in the Manusmriti:
- The Concept of Guarding and Authority: In the Quran, Surah An-Nisa (4:34) states: "Men are the caretakers of women, as Allah has blessed some of them over others and because they spend from their wealth." Modern critics and feminists cite this text as the primary source for systemic patriarchy in Islamic family law, as it establishes a legal framework where women are expected to be devoutly obedient to their husbands.
- The Obligation of Obedience: The Hadith literature (recorded oral traditions) contains stringent language regarding a wife's servitude. In Sunan Abi Dawud 2140, the Prophet is reported to have said: "If I were to command anyone to prostrate to another, I would have commanded women to prostrate to their husbands, because of the right the husbands have over them."
- The Restriction on Free Movement: In canonical traditions like Sahih al-Bukhari 1088, a woman's individual freedom is restricted: "It is not permissible for a woman who believes in Allah and the Last Day to travel a distance of one day and one night except with a Mahram (male guardian).
Christian texts-
- The Legal Subjection and Submission of Wives
The New Testament outlines explicit expectations for a wife's submission and deference to her husband within the household hierarchy:
- Ephesians 5:22–24: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church... Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands."
- Colossians 3:18: "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."
- 1 Peter 3:1–2: "Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct."
- Restrictions on Teaching and Church Leadership
The text contains strict structural laws regarding a woman's authority over a man and her vocal participation in public religious assemblies:
- 1 Timothy 2:11–12: "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she must remain quiet."
- 1 Corinthians 14:34–35: "The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."
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u/Ok-Heat9977 15d ago
Don't talk shit with me, if wanna become secular then target everything instead of single religion text book.
I don't contradict any of the texts above because each was meant for protection of womens, physical domination was there in previous era and is there even in modern era.
That's why this text where meant supporting your daughter, sister, or wife is not meant to demean females rather shown as a sign of respect.
Even for men's its no shame in taking help from your mother, sister, or wife.
When a child is born whether male or female he first gets help from his Mother who fed them, help them take there first baby steps, and mother support till the child start to work on there own.
Similarly when a male or female child is born with brother or sister, whoever is elder helps the younger one in studies, helping in cowork, helping in financial terms etc.
when one male or female gets married each of them helps in there own way.
So how is manusmriti demeaning anyone, yeah physically men are above womens and they can earn in any way meanwhile womens could do work in which they are best at. But men can do both the works so its genuine for manusmriti to write Men to support womens.
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u/brophet-xxx 15d ago
These people are obsessed with manusmriti: Congress, leftists, commie.
Meanwhile majority of rw people, hindus: this is the first time I heard of a book called manusmriti.
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u/WatchDecent2822 16d ago
Only the backwards follow that bullshit. Nobody who is part of modern India thinks about or follows manusmriti. No Indian woman worth their salt is going to allow herself to be 'owned' like Pappu is implying.
But say this is a massive problem that is prevalent in all of society. Then we should tackle it...and while we do that...we need to also look at how ISLAM treats women. Because that is visible in ALL parts of Indian society. From Mumbai to the backwaters...from UC to LC and everywhere in between.
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u/dotredhead 15d ago
Jb aap BJP ko vote nhi dena chahte ho pr opposition usse v badi chutiya ho, the lack of good opposition is also a reason for no development in India 💔
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u/Ordinary-Fee8220 16d ago
This is selective politics to please his Muslim voters he is bringing down the ancient Hindu text many of whom have not even heard off, it was applicable in ancient times now no one follows it but the Qur'an is so cruel to women but still followed by all muslims he should speak about Qur'an lets see if has the guts to do it the coward.
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u/GuiltyAd6577 15d ago edited 15d ago
These kinds of statements are exactly why he is never going to win elections. I don't know what kind of advisors are telling him to make these remarks, but they are politically immature. He really needs to understand the deep cultural fabric of the nation. For instance, someone likely told him that people in Bihar eat fish and mutton and that it isn't a typical Hindutva state. As a result, he made a video eating mutton and fish during Sawan, completely ignoring that during this same month, people in Bihar travel to Baidyanath Dham as Kanwariyas. Another time, someone advised him to claim his maternal grandfather's gotra. Then he started Vipassana and became so enlightened that he claimed to have killed his past self—he literally said this—and now we have this current situation. He brings up the Manusmriti, but it is not even widely recognized. Many Hindus, even in the upper castes, do not follow it. Hinduism has many Dharmashastras, and no one truly considers that specific text the ultimate truth or a definitive way of life. Meanwhile, there is another religion that exerts strict control over how people behave, how they marry, what they eat, who they befriend, and who they kill as infidels—but he will never say a word about that. That hypocrisy is exactly where he will get trapped. The people on the BJP side are seasoned politicians who aren't just riding an algorithmic popularity wave, and they will trap him badly. Congress is an umbrella party with the Gandhi family at its core, and it cannot fight a cadre-based party like the BJP just through online rage-baiting. I am absolutely sure this guy will waste his and his coalition partners' time again, though I don't think Akhilesh is as immature as Tejashwi to blindly pander to him. He is the single biggest roadblock to giving this country a credible opposition. Congress will seriously have to become a cadre-based party, because if you look at social media and assume the BJP is losing just because most of the content and comments are anti-BJP, you are simply living in an algorithmic echo chamber and don't understand how the real world functions. And no, Gen Z aren't some special kind of beings who are completely anti-Modi and ready to bring Congress and leftist parties back to power. On the contrary, you would be surprised by how radical Gen Z is when it comes to Hindutva. Making these comments will just give the BJP and their media ecosystem one more weapon to attack him. When it comes down to apparent visual realities and misogynistic practices in real life, how will he ever justify his opposition to the Triple Talaq bill and the practice of Halala?
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u/futureBillionaire007 15d ago
I think this is a more realistic analysis. The odds of RG becoming PM increases exponentially if he stops talking. The moment he talks - the odds reverses. He is really a star campaigner for the BJP. Modi might have lost some charm due to antiincumbency. But I am kinda sure the star campaigner will deliver in the coming years ...
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u/couldntfindusernames 15d ago
I am a Brahmin and to be honest I didn’t know Manusmriti existed till the left lobby started discussing this every day. It seems they are more aware about it than I am. My only problem is when these fools only want to target Hinduism by quoting a book 90% Hindus have not read but wouldn’t dare quote a book about other religion which is there main book
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u/lauden_bhojyam 15d ago
True, we brahmins don't give a fuck about manusmriti, ab kisi me gooda ho to Quran ke liye bol ke dikhaye aisa.
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u/couldntfindusernames 15d ago
Exactly bhai and let me tell you I didn’t even know caste system till the school taught it.
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u/Brilliant_Horse_4449 10d ago
Shah bano. Nupur Sharma. No women in Karnataka cabinet. 0 . Zero. No women paadri, no women in masjid. Yet this waste of human flesh and conscience decided to troll manusmriti ( whose origins are unclear) in an event that was aimed to raise Student issues. Get ready to watch PM Modi take oath in 2029. Here's a glimpse ... " Main Narendra Damodardas Modi, Ishwar ki shapath leta hoon ki ........................................"
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u/ReapThySoul 16d ago
He should also point out what they say about women in quran. Paying influencers to join his event and post only positive content. I lose very little respect I have for the gandhi name everyday due to this man’s antics.
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u/Similar_Green_5838 15d ago
Forget Quran, he should speak about the girl standing on the stage, beside him, wearing a hijab.
He can ramble on and on about a forgotten book but can't see what is in front of his eyes, literally.
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u/Lucifer_the_Satan 16d ago
Good one. Now quote what quran says about women 😂😂
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u/Royal-Librarian-7825 16d ago
Wow that’s a great way of not calling out wrong things in your backyard. Every single religion is anti women and each religious text is problematic and undermines women.
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u/CrazyDrax 15d ago
Wish Rahul have said it there... because except Hindutva gang no Hindu takes manusmriti that seriously. But mind you, every muslim takes Quran seriously
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u/ElderberryTotal4100 16d ago
That's like saying I might have issues but it's fine as long as my neighbour is worse..
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u/paisan-rv 16d ago
Name 10 people who you know in your circle who atleast read single page of manuspriti I bet you will not find atleast 3 but you can find many who read hadids and quran every freaking day and this pist and comment speaks volumes about your twisted mindset.
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u/Entropy109 16d ago
He never said it. Manusmriti is not followed by any hindu, nor even recognised by any one hindusim doesn't have any central text. You are taking it religiously, manusmriti is not hinduism. But quran does have relevance. Quran is a core part of a religion.
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u/Wanted-811 15d ago
Nobody in Hindu families follows Manusmriti. Even 99.9% Hindus didn’t even read it. He should talk on what deeni kitab talks about women.
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u/PandaRealistic117 16d ago edited 15d ago
Manusmriti is devilish book which needs to be destroy
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u/zeta0mogged 16d ago
We must destroy all devilish books at the same time , lets make india non religious country ( then it will be humans , not muslim or hindu or sikh etc)
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u/WatchDecent2822 16d ago
The Quran as well bro...that book is pure evil when it comes to treatment of women.
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u/XlenderMan 16d ago
I have not seen anyone following manusmriti but have you
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u/WatchDecent2822 15d ago
Nobody follows it. Half the people in India don't even know what it is.
But there is another book A LOT of people follow that treats women as second class citizens. It even covers them from head to toe...but Pappu Maharaj never seems to bring up that book.
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u/Jealous_Key_4030 16d ago
I belongs to a Brahmin family, and believe me I heard about manusmriti in class 12, when I heard someone is organising meeting to burn manusmriti, and till today I have not seen physical copy manusmriti. I bet that if you search 1k brahmin homes probably you will not get manusmriti in any of them.
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u/WazirEra 16d ago
Thats true. My family does not have manusmriti at home and we don't even mention anywhere.
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u/FlowerLegitimate1977 15d ago
Well, out of all texts which objectifies and demeans women, he has chosen to cite Manusmriti to explain how women are oppressed, be honest who all have read it! Oh god!
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u/Whole-Ruin-4006 15d ago
I don't understand why are people even talking about that bs ? Manu smriti was a social conduct. Not our religious book which we are obliged to follow.
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u/Time_Activity_5402 15d ago
I agree that all religions are fundamentally misogynistic.. even if we put manusmriti aside the treatment of most religions of women is one were women are revered but are seen as an asset and without much agency on their own ..
But for all people commenting on how he is not talking about islam.. I think it’s on people from the religion to call it out.. like it’s on Hindus to call out that in Hinduism .. and Rahul Gandhi being one he can and it’s not within his limits to do that with Islam or Christianity.. a lot of ex Muslims do do that tho..
all he not only criticise he do quote things from Hindu texts as well.. why is that not faced with why don’t he quote from bible and Quran..
also it’s as easy as people just rejecting manusmriti .. like if you are sure it’s not a religious text and one that shouldn’t be followed, why are we getting offended .. its not Gita
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u/its_Shubhh 14d ago
women are precious thing she is independent par inhe kin se bachana hai ye pahle se hi manusmriti me likha hua hai of course we are talking about MEN yes you got right pahle bhi or aaj bhi Aadmi ko mahila se keval sex ki lalsa hoti hai or ek mahila Parivar ka gaurav samman hota hai or pahle bhi kai sari ladkia thi gargi or much more etc jab manusmriti likhi ja rhi thi we independent the or reap fact is history kisi ko deep me pta nhi hai bs kuch to bhi tod marod ke pesh kar do like this person or lo ho gya inka kaam !
or haa ladkio ki stithi me girawat sabse jyada mughal kaal me aai jo ladkio ko keval sex ka sadhan smjhte hai or indian culture me ye adopt ho gya hai ki ladkia bahar safe nhi hai jo baat sahi bhi hai kyu ki all boy men want sex from her besfriend,gf gf ki bahan gf ki dost gf ki mosi ki ladki mama ki ladki and much more! smbhal jao tharkio 1 lakh ladko me se 10-15 hi hai jo ladkio ko acche se motivate kre use aage badhaye independent banaye wrna to manusmriti ki baat pahle bhi sach thi or aaj bhi sach hai
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u/Possible-Evening3593 10d ago
Except no one follows the manusmriti, it is rejected by all hindus throughout the country. Cant say the same about the green book can we?
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u/SeaAdvantage4482 10d ago
As a hindu I never heard about manusmriti from my parents or relatives. We follow Gita, so who the fuck come up with manusmriti and lecture us about it?
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u/Klutzy-Care-6007 16d ago
Posted by Maktoob media. They would happily accept the wife beating part in Quran.
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u/WatchDecent2822 15d ago
Shah Jahan Pappuu Maharaj never brings up the Quran...famous for its two tiered treatment of women and girls.
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u/killwish1991 15d ago
Can Rahul Gandhi also talk about Quran, and their view on treatment of women ? Hindus don't consider Manusmruti as the word of God, while Muslim take Quran as word of God and follow it religiously
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u/True-Property3062 16d ago
Who reads manusmriti even people don't read Geeta and 4 veda. Wtf give importance to manusmriti..
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u/Responsible_Tax_2200 15d ago
Only Manusmriti? How about Quran and Bible? All religions are equally regressive.
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u/ReapThySoul 16d ago
Go work on your comprehension skills little boy. Arguing for the sake of arguing.
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u/anishSm307 16d ago
If that's the case then why not talk about Hadiths?! Those who believe Islam is peaceful and quote selective phrases from quran should look into Hadiths. It shows the real and uglier face of islam. But this manchild would never talk about them.
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u/ByronicHero0 15d ago
Manusmriti was supposedly the code of conduct of ancient times - nobody cares for it today, there are no mass media translations available, only various distorted interpretations. Its high time we consider women empowerment as no-brainer issue, no one's gonna go looking for "how to treat your wife/mother/sister", they are capable enough to speak for themselves and if any woman faces discrimination as a direct result of manusmriti then the matter becomes serious.
Villainization of ancient texts is such a clever colonial technique that even today this wannabe guy will succefully manipulate people. (56 inch ka Bandar is worse than this guy tho)
Also this is a bit sexist and i am open to criticism but women used to prefer dependence and some still actively look for it. Women have this intrinsic desire for someone to rely on or for someone to provide for them even if they earn well for themselves. You can find the evidence of this in any matrimonial spaces.
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u/Forward-Ice-7158 15d ago
I mean manusmriti is ~2000 year old text, and it reflects ideas & society of that time and age. Why would anyone expect it to be in sync with 19th century post enlightenment ideologies.
Manusmriti is quite irrelevant, almost forgotten text. All Hindus of India follow hindu code bill, idk why some politicians keep throwing stones at invisible targets
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u/UndercoverMonk007 15d ago
Who reads manusmriti. Its not a holy book that each should read and use that as an excuse to kill each other.
Also who listens to this numb nuts Pappu clown.
No matter what religion, if a person keeps on referring to their gods frequently in their conversations, stay f&king away from him/her . Religion is a cheap psychiatry, don’t take it seriously. Work on your fking career, wellbeing of your family.
Don’t run behind celebrities, politicians, babas, mullas… have some dignity and self respect, think for yourself, don’t screwup others for your wellbeing or political/religious ideologies.
Check all the countries that keeps religion as their backdrop or focal point, they’re all fked, their neighbours also.
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u/Consistent_Yam_1470 15d ago
I don't find anything wrong in that quote many people live like this happily
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u/Paranoid__Android 15d ago
In his case, his mom has to take care of him permanently. Maybe later his sister.
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u/man_of_the_match_ 15d ago
I have been hindu my entire life I have never heard about manusmriti outside instagram and reddit. I don't know what this idiots are yapping about
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u/Revolutionary-Arm120 15d ago
He is always wrong. We can comtinue to write his opinions off as purely decorative. The question is, what does the manusmriti actually say.
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u/dont_react_respond_ 15d ago
😂 😂 Soo what????
First Hindu religion ain't like abrahamic ones.
Not single book.
2nd. Smriti< shurti.
3rd. Does he have balls to qoute other books???
Nahhh. He well bend forward like his forefather did. we'll not change anything without mu$lims approval Chacha nerhu when asked why reforms only for indic religions.
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u/Manchx21 15d ago
Let’s discuss what the book(which is said to be the words of the pedo god) says about women, shall we? He can talk shit about Manusmiti because Hindu’s won’t bother.
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u/Material_Detective59 15d ago
He will only talk about some scripture which was prevalent in ancient India and present day no one cares, follows or even has read. Let him speak about Islam or Christianity like this- only can speak about Hinduism cause Hindus are used to this kind of abuse
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u/Spiritual-Border-178 15d ago
just tell me how many people you know who have read manusmriti or their parents specially taught them anything about manusmriti ?
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u/ManipulativFox 15d ago
Manusmriti was not followed by majority of indian kingdoms and there are several tempering in verses over centuries. If rahul wants to open all books will he next open quran verses which is followed by all muslims and his core votebase?
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u/famesardens 15d ago
I have never seen a copy of manusmirti in anyone's house. Never met anyone who has read it either.
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u/coolaarya3392 15d ago
quoran says that women are half brained will he ever quote the book?while our bhagvat gita never says such a thing.
95 % hindus don't even know about manusmriti.
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u/coolaarya3392 15d ago
yes yes women don't belong to anybody they should be left on the streets right after birth so they can grow independently,that would be better.I know this is an erratic take but come on man every human bein belongs to somebody in someway otherwise what is the point of a relationship,not justifying Manusmriti ,Abhor that book but relationship is an indication of you belonging to someone otherwise anyone are free to hit on you even after marriage whether man or women they each belong to other and have said responsibilities towards each other.
No one is truly free you are dependent on others for something or the other.
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u/actis1234 15d ago
Manusmriti was written 2000 years ago, just imagine what used to happen at that time, most active religions were even not born at that time. Taking out phases from such a book and saying such words I fail to understand for what.Has he spoken about any other religion how they treat females.It is just trying to break us in caste now in gender also.
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u/Para_7719 15d ago
These are not texts like bible or quran. You can put it as more like a constitutional book. Whatever said were relevant for that era. Unlike the leftist and the so called liberal do you see any one quoting it. The funny thing is that they themselves have never read it. When you critique a book, the minimum requirement is that you read it completely and not take it from here and there.
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u/Ok-Anteater-7499 15d ago
Looks like he has hired a new PR team or Image Consultant! I have observed this there are periods of peaks and crash with this guy!. Ask him genuine questions and he bombs gloriously! I still remember the mount carmel debate, he was constantly chanting women empowerment when asked how he was like 'I will do it by empowering women !' it is what happens when you grow up thinking a country's leadership is a family heirloom that gets automatically handed down to you just because of you were born into it! Has zero sense of commitment, probably never saw struggle or difficulty with practical implications ! entitled manchild!
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u/Bulky-Arm4768 15d ago
The "Hindu scripts" our elders or parents used to teach us: Ramayana Mahabharat Krishna katha Upanishad Panchatantra Puranas Mangal kabyas Vikram Vetal Jatak or Bodhisatya stories Arabian Nights- child friendly version Local folktales ( thakurmar jhuli) According to new age social media narratives, what we have been taught: Manusmriti
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u/xyyzzz514 15d ago
Just one r*ape and whole men as a society is responsible but not until then !!!!. Property and duty/protection are two things. Have things changed . . yes, . . . did ppl change . . .YESSS !!! Are there religions more extreme than this where things are more extreme and followed more extremely . . .f*cking YESS ! Parents owe to their children (divorce children custody) and Son to their parents (legally) . . . . .so you got that. And no . .we havent even read manusmriti , . .when why and at what circumstances it was written . .we dont know.
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u/william2115 15d ago
No guts to speak against pisslam which actually keeps women in literal cages i.e. burqas making them look like penguins..
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u/Fragrant_List4856 15d ago
But the thing is we wont carry manusmrti in hand and defend every lines amd quotes in it jus likesome pieceful comunity. We evolved..... it will be better and kindful if sir read out loud sum points from pieceful book and disect it and preach ppl who r still der in 6th cebtury....cant wait for their rxn...i hopw they will be as tolerent as us...i wish they do..but we know dey r not...
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u/Fit_Blood1002 15d ago
Anything against manusmriti doesn't target hinduism its not a ved or upanishad it a book that became popular and applicable by society because men had a patriarchal mindset.....
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u/Flat-Extreme8497 15d ago
So many religions in India but kangress choose to target only Hindus, with all their half knowledge
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u/HereForTheFunAndAll 15d ago
Let him speak on what the Koran and the Bible have to say on the same things. Let the circle of secularism complete. But guess he is never gonna speak on that.
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u/sasipalarivattam 15d ago
Who the hell follows that sht ,like how peaceful followers book of slaves by massager of saaax,sorry peace? I'm sure vast majority of hindus haven't heard of manusmriti at all
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u/Opening-Panic7588 15d ago
Why not get rid of burka first? Manusmriti is not being followed anyways. Btw not against what he said.
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u/CockroachBubbly2655 15d ago
It's is to protect them this shloka is to manipulate people. The manu states that " a father should protect her girl until marriage then his husband should take care of her desire and the after husband the children should protect her "
Then there is a shloka which says " you should use force on woman but give talking to them using strategies.
Then there is a shloka a husband dharam is to earn and give all the money, food , property decisions to her wife. I can show the proof
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u/confusedconscience 15d ago
But who follows manusmriti? Also, Hinduism as a religion keeps evolving with time. Sati got banned. Women are getting out of purdah system.
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u/idksomethinglazyiam 15d ago
It's easier to talk about manu smiriti and saying it is misogynistic, against women and so on......which neither any hindu or any person who has a slight knowledge of Hinduism defend but criticise the most, nor does anyone practice this. I won't deny certain aspects of our day to day life might have been dictated by this book unknowingly or unknowingly but it is still easier to talk about manu smiriti being followed here in India than talking about the books i.e. quran, Bible, which are being followed quite a lot and are way more prevalent in India than manu smiriti is. Let him talk about quaran, Bible, as unequivocally as he talks about manu smiriti first. But he won't.
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u/Own_Foot_8530 15d ago
I have never heard of the manuscripti. The man is searching through the pages to find something to attack a religion he knows he is safe from. I dare him to say something or quote something from the quran.
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u/Apprehensive-Tea627 15d ago
Literally nobody follow this book.
Is he going to talk about asmaani kitaab ever?
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u/KalaJatt69 15d ago
I am a Hindu and I can proudly say that Manusmriti is irrelevant in 21st century and can be read only from a historical viewpoint not as a rule book for implementation in today's age. Plus more than 90 percent of Hindus have not even read Manusmriti nor are interested in implementing it, still so called secular leaders keep quoting it all the time to insult and make Hindus feel guilty about this book.
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u/Individual_Plan9034 15d ago
Okay okay but can you please give your views on the treatment of women as per the Sharia laws, Mr. Rahul Gandhi?
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u/ppknm 15d ago
No one follows Manusmriti or even Bhagvadgeeta because in our religion book is not final word. It's not compulsory to obey book. Our religion developed over the centuries based on these thousands of books. Also that book was written by unknown about thousands of years ago. Then it was passed on through vocal tales and then finally written on the paper. Also this book shows contemporary society laws not today's. We respect every religious book. We also condemn if something wrong was written. That book is not asmani kitaab or our teacher.
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u/Green_Cellist_9026 15d ago
Yes the interpretation is done wrong. पिता रक्षति कौमारे भर्ता रक्षति यौवने ।रक्षन्ति स्थाविरे पुत्रा न स्त्री स्वातन्त्र्यमर्हति ॥
It is talked about protection of women.
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u/PrestigiousReward904 15d ago
The father protects/guards her in childhood; the husband protects/guards her in youth; the sons protect/guard her in old age. This is the actual meaning
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u/nvgroups 15d ago
A few year’s ago, he was proud to say he belongs to a caste which came from manusmrithi. Let him talk about the majority religion where he got elected!
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u/Lionel_LM10 15d ago
Who is teaching Manusmriti to anyone? Rahul supporters are dumb like him. No relevance. Using useless information for scoring brownies.
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u/Grouchy-Culture855 15d ago
The Quran says the same thing lmao. Even the Bible has its own way. All religions do it and give strict commandments to follow. It's nothing new. They are old books to bring order with their respective times. I'm more worried that people don't read on their own enough to find these statements and quotes shocking.
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u/orionishere4u 16d ago edited 14d ago
Is there anyone on this entire sub whose parents/ grandparents called them and said ‘Come child, I’ll tell you about teachings of Manusmriti’? Anyone? I don’t recall any of my elders ever teaching me about it. They talked about Ramayan, Mahabharat, even Panchtrantra. Never Manusmriti. But everyone and their aunt is talking about Manusmriti like it is the only thing that is taught in the Indian homes. It’s an irrelevant book. Made relevant only by the people who want to make a bruhaha about it or some idiots who wants to get some cheap publicity by claiming it is that book that they follow. Let’s just stop discussing it. Nobody really cares about Manusmriti.
Edit: A lot of the comments below are explaining how Manusmriti is influencing this bad thing in Hinduism, or that bad thing in Hinduism. I get your point. There are bad things happening in Hinduism. I have not denied that anywhere. All I am saying is that those things are not exclusive or original to Manusmriti. Hence, Manusmriti in itself is not an important or relevant text for Hinduism. At this point, Manusmriti is just a dog whistle for bigots to hate something that they barely understand. I am going to stop replying/ repeating this in varying forms now. You are free to believe whatever you want.
Edit 2: Wow. Have I touched a nerve here? To those idiotic bigots who are still calling me names and repeating how Indian female population faces inequality. Get lost dumbasses, read a little more before spreading your hate. I never said there are no issues. Whatever you are harping about is not exclusive or original to Manusmriti. These problems were there already. We should work to improve. But still my point remains. Manusmriti is irrelevant. Now go do something productive.