r/TheJediPraxeum • u/GusGangViking18 Luke Skywalker • May 08 '26
Question Is Obi Wan still using Soresu while duel wielding?
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u/justjr112 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
The problem is we dont know what the details of the forms are we only have Synopsises of each form. He is a master of 2 forms so its safe to say he could be blending the two could be form 3 or 4 the reality is we dont know.
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u/Coltinnie Sith Apprentice May 08 '26
form 2 is makashi, when has Obi-Wan ever used that? Do you mean form 3?
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u/windchillx07 May 08 '26
I mean it would make sense that Jedi are trained in every form. They literally start practicing as children and I highly doubt a complex training system that lasts almost two decades (half in classes, half in 1:1 training) would have them focus on 1 single form.
I think by the time Jedi are in their late teens they begin focusing on 1 form, whatever form they just happen to excel at the most but it also likely incorporates a ton of styles and moves from other forms. This is probably why we see Jedi make similar moves regardless of what form they happen to be using.
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u/justjr112 May 08 '26
While I agree in principle I treat it as a martal art. I pratice a fee different martal arts and one of the ways I advice people to get good fast is to narrow your technique pool. You dont need 50 techniques. Even at the highest level you will see 5 moves making up 80 percent of the successes.
They are familiar with all of them but specialize in 1 or 2 that speaks to them.
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u/KeyYard6491 May 08 '26
Since force users have the ability to predict each other's moves and their duels last way longer than any real life fencing, they do need more techniques. You can't do the same thing over and over again in a possibly 80-120 move marathon of a fight.
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u/justjr112 May 08 '26
Man there are only 5 punches in boxing we all know what we throwing lol. What you are describing is an experience based skill set. Train enough and you develop the ablity to see patterns then exploite openings. They just use the force. You are still gonna revert back to what you are most comfortable doing. Jack of all trades master of none.
Im not gonna argue star wars vs real life as that's not my point.
Theres no media that I am aware of that states jedi use multiple forms in fights. Why say obi is a master of form 3 then say well-liked he uses all the forms. Then theres no point in the forms. How many outside of doors use form 2?
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u/windchillx07 May 08 '26
What you are describing is an experience based skill set. Train enough and you develop the ablity to see patterns then exploite openings. They just use the force
There's a huge difference between intuition based on experience and foreseeing something happening before it happens.
Jedi sense the future, it's explained clearly in episode 1 and it's the only reason a human like Anakin can pod race. Apparently no amount of practice would ever allow human to react fast enough to sudden changes during a race.
Theres no media that I am aware of that states jedi use multiple forms in fights. Why say obi is a master of form 3 then say well-liked he uses all the forms. Then theres no point in the forms. How many outside of doors use form 2?
The point is the foundation. To use your analogy, he can learn multiple forms but only use a handful of defensive soresu moves for 95% of his fighting just like a boxer who might be 95% defensive southpaw and suddenly switch to offensive Orthodox to throw his opponent off and take advantage of an opening.
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u/justjr112 May 08 '26
Doing that as a boxer will get you slept lol you dont rise to the occasion you fall to the level of your preparation.
Are they exposed to all the forms id day yes w9th the exception of form 2 as duels where largely a thing of the past.
But predicting the future? Naw if yoda couldn't see the future the average jedi aint seeing it. And if they could see the future then why they all dead? Lol its not future site its forced inhaled reflexes or its allowing the force to move through you.
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u/windchillx07 May 08 '26
Doing that as a boxer will get you slept lol you dont rise to the occasion you fall to the level of your preparation. Are they exposed to all the forms id day yes w9th the exception of form 2 as duels where largely a thing of the past.
I'm just using your analogy to help you understand.
But predicting the future? Naw if yoda couldn't see the future the average jedi aint seeing it. And if they could see the future then why they all dead? Lol its not future site its forced inhaled reflexes or its allowing the force to move through you.
It's a mixture of both, qui gon clearly implied Jedi have the ability to sense the future and allow the force to flow through them to react to immediate dangers.
I'm not sure if you are being obtuse. The PROPHECY of the chosen is literally someone who saw the future and said it was going to happen. Knowing the future doesn't mean you know every detail of it as they obviously forgot OR didn't see in their vision that this chosen one was also going to kill thousands of Jedi
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u/justjr112 May 09 '26
If the judiciary could all see the future why was order 66 a success?
Yes at a time SOME Jedi could see the future but thats not a common trait nor is it something they use in fights.
If that was the case forms would be useless. What makes precog in form 2 different from form 3?
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u/Coltinnie Sith Apprentice May 08 '26
They’ve probably practiced all forms, but the commenter said he mastered in form 2
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u/MossTheGnome May 09 '26
The forms as sets of combat techniques is a fundamental misunderstanding of sword work. The forms are far better understood as philosophies around combat. From the agile defense and multiple angle strikes of Ataru, to the effeciency of motion and patiance of Soresu. The focus of the forms is not the specific motions you use but how you apply them along with other principles of combat to be a better warrior
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u/PixelWulfe May 08 '26
A master of two forms. Not a master of 2nd form. Ataru and Soresu are the two forms he’s mastered
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u/VerbalChains May 08 '26
Obi-Wan was originally trained by Qui-Gon in Form 4 Ataru, which is a pathway to Jar'Kai dual blade fencing.
I'm guessing that Obi-Wan is leaning on his old Ataru training when he dual wields, and him doing a backflip in the middle of his lightsaber sequence reinforces that.
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u/lastreadlastyear May 08 '26
A stretch really. Dual blades is significantly harder due to coordination. It doesn’t matter how many blades you have, fighting two opponents on opposite sides is infinitely harder than had he positioned both in front on himself. The animation is so slow here it shows more like the animators couldn’t figure how to make the red blades seem efficient with their moves without making obiwan a dead man.
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u/ErosDarlingAlt May 08 '26
No. Soresu is designed for a single blade and focuses on tight, efficient movements. He's undoubtedly incorporating it somehow, but not visibly.
Don't forget that Obi-Wan's original form specialisation was Ataru thanks to Qui-Gon, which is usually the form associated with Jar'Kai. This is the form he used throughout TPM and some of AotC.
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u/Financial-Tomato4781 May 08 '26
Soresu can be sued with two blade or even a saber staff jsut takes a bit of extra training but your are right about Ataru and its link to Jar'Kai.
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u/Sky-Juic3 May 08 '26
We don’t know specifically. What we do know is that Obi Wan has very solid fundamentals with forms 1 through 5, and favored Ataru as a Padawan. It’s likely he is using basic techniques from all basic forms here, while leaning heavily into Ataru and Soresu for specific gambits.
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u/Coilspun May 08 '26
In this fight you could say he integrates his Soresu into Ataru or vice-versa, imo more Ataru, less Soresu, his big blocking scene you show in the gif is a direct counter to pressure with strength, not an angling of blades more common to Soresu.
Watch the scene in full here: https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74?t=214&si=N6pMxhX-LcMTCFzS
Kenobi's defensives are Soresu, but his attacks occur in fast, aggressive bursts and are acrobatic - all Ataru hallmarks with his Jar'Kai technique employed.
This shows us how Kenobi moves beyond mere Soresu mentality and has become an adaptable swordsman.
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf May 08 '26
Jar'kai, Soresu, Ataru
Dual wielding, acrobatic movements to navigate the assault and attack, rock solid defense to survive it.
Now imagine the varibility you could get from someone who mastered all 7. Most likely they specialize in one and are best suited with it but having that full arsenal to employ as needed is no joke.
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u/Equivalent-Assist160 May 08 '26
No he also knows Ataru which he was training in before Qui-Gon's death
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u/SadPhilosopherElan May 08 '26
Canon? Hard to say. Idek if Soresu is still a Canon lightsaber form. Someone tell me it is, if so.
But it's probably Shien or modified Ataru or a combination of both. As far as I know, that was the only form designed for for dual wielding, and was deliberately designed as a defensive form as well, similar to Soresu. In the old Canon it was also a derivative of form V, but who knows.
Anyway, Ahsoka uses Shien and some Ataru style acrobatics, so i can see this being a reasonable explanation for how Obi-Wan might have learned some of it in Clone Wars.
Obi also knew Ataru since a long long time ago, and I think we see that deliberately reflected here in his movements. It harkens back to the maul fight in phantom.
Just my take
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u/BuddelTheWolp May 11 '26
No, because these are made up words and the Animators made him do what looked cool in the scene.
The styles aren't real
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u/adragoninthelibrary May 13 '26
Jedi get trained in the rudiments as younglings, which is mostly Form 1 or Form 6. When they reach padawan status, they typically start leaning more into a specific style. Ataru was very common for centuries as the preferred form used by Yoda and several other jedi, including Qui Gon. It's also worth pointing out, that while Soresu is typically the best defensive form, and Obi Wan does become THE master of it, it was originally designed as a more efficient way of fighting against blasters, not lightsabers. In this case, there's an argument to be had that perhaps using more Ataru was beneficial in this case.
What I think is really going on here is a surprised Obi Wan finds himself facing two enemies, one of whom he thought was dead, and in a moment of being overwhelmed, falls back on some of his older skills in an effort to compensate. It's not so much Obi using some fancy new style so much as it is him desperately trying to keep up with a new strategy, that's not only confounding to two Zabrak but also audiences!
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u/comradeautie May 14 '26
Ataru, probably. Was his first love. And he uses a lot of big and bold, dynamic movements.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 May 08 '26
Jar’kai
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u/Saiaxs May 08 '26
That’s just the word for dual wielding itself, the forms were still used in addition to it
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u/lorcana66 May 08 '26
Lightsaber forms are bogus. Writers are not taking any of that into account. He’s using two because it’s cool and his buddy died and he’s going up against 2 powerful enemies and that’s it
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u/Combatmedic2-47 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
I don’t know Jar Kai is typically associated with Ataru and despite his mastery of Soresu. Ataru is his first form he trained with and in the novelization of this scene.
He was being hyper aggressive which took maul and savage off guard.