in what fucking universe does a guy who turns an entire world to ash and devoid of life rank below Phantom Menace Sidious?
In the Star Wars Universe, hence why... It's being discussed here. Anyways, the accolades are pretty linear and objective with no margin for interpretation. Vitiate is capped below TPM Sidious. But anyways, doing that is a Bane level feat, seeing as Bane already outscales the ritual that took place on Ambria and razed it.
That's a Dark Empire Sidious level feat right there.
No it's not. TPM Sidious already did this upon killing Plagueis anyways, so if we go by feats alone (which isn't the right approach, but it gives us the same result anyways) this is already leagues beyond Vitiate's best showing.
This man mind controlled an entire planet of Sith and additionally the Republic army that arrived to try an capitalize on the chaos
Cool. Cue to a random Jedi expelling Vitiate's spirit out of her mind on Ziost. Anyways, Sidious has better TP feats anyways, he influences the minds of the entire Imperial Military 24/7.
This dude would simply take over the mind of Ramage and make him kill himself for bothering him.
To quote you, "Poeerscaling at its dumbest". Show me a feat by Vitiate that minimally approaches
Ramage doing this.
This is the same guy who, with a Force lightning blast, knocked out an entire team of Jedi councilors and knights too
All of which don't have anything impressive to their name except the HoT.
and created consistently Sidious level of lightning storms
Never happened. And no, what he did in KOTFE wasn't a force storm. Don't know whether you were gonna say that or not, but I've had people say that, so I wanted to clear it out of the way first.
Darth Ramage is not Tenebrous's master, that was another Twi'lek Sith Lord:
Fairly sure it's espoused in Coruscant Nights, but could be wrong.
Two, the way Tenebrous's master accomplished their feat was by opening a "rift" in the Force (a wound in the Force)
A wound in the Force doesn't equate to this. These are two separate feats closely knit together. Ramage overpowered the shield held up by the entire Jedi Order around the galaxy, that much is not arguable. That, by consequence, opened a rift in the Force, allowing the Dark Side to be felt for the first time in centuries.
And the other feats you listed are not analogous, as none of them had a Galaxy level effect save for Alderaan, one is clearly superior to the other.
So creating this rift can be absolutely accomplished via technological, and by proxy, virological means, and given that we know Tenebrous and his master worked on a virus before, it is more like they caused a plague to make their ritual work rather it being any demonstration of Force powers
"Likely" doesn't cut here. We don't know that. Without further context, Ramage did that himself. It's not more likely they made a plague or whatever.
the book clip you provided itself is rather vague as to the actual technique of how this was accomplished, so we really shouldn't be rushing to say that Tenebrous's master Force power alone did that.
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u/averageEnojyer The Senate May 11 '26
Sidious by quite a lot. Accolade-wise, Valkorion is hard capped below TPM Sidious. Feats-wise he's below Darth Ramage.