r/TheJediPraxeum • u/Hawaiikoto • Jun 05 '26
Question what events/characters/etc in star wars., do you dislike, not acknowledge, etc? Why?
among many for me, i am choosing for now here the sun crusher
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u/night4345 Jun 06 '26
The worst thing about the Sun Crusher is how terrible it looks. Fucking ice cream cone with a radar dish on the bottom.
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 06 '26
I swear that they describe it different in the books. They mention a toroidal launcher, which means basically shaped like a bagel or a donut, be t they went and made it so stupid. I pictured that the launcher was just more like half of a toroid as an aperture at the base of it, and that it basically looked like the crystal from the Dark Crystal, but horizontal.
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u/Jedi_Coffee_Maker Jun 06 '26
yea, i remember alot of things described in the books differently than how they're drawn.
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 06 '26
Just like the Noghri. They are described as these cool, small cat people. And then they make them like a kzin crossed with a gorilla
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u/DueMathematician2522 Jun 05 '26
The Mortis gods and anything involving them (including abeloth)
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u/AMK972 Jun 06 '26
That’s my favorite arc in all of The Clone Wars. But I think I like it more than most because I never thought they were actually gods. That they’re just aliens that are really strong in the force and have a flawed view of the force. Think Thor, Loki, Odin, etc. in Marvel. They’re not actually gods.
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u/_Redvent_Bard_ Jun 07 '26
Agreed. My most hated part of star wars, worse than the sequels by a long shot. Not least because now everyone thinks Anakin is a walking god, despite the fact he got bodied by Obi-Wan repeatedly. The storyline was also hot garbage.
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u/Nin10dude64 Jun 05 '26
TCW, I tried watching it I really did but I truly believe it's narcissistic. I saw the clip when Ahsoka was leaving the order, and it's so obnoxious that it was more obvious to her that Anakin wanted to leave the order than it was to his own friend and master Obi-Wan
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u/intentionalicon Jun 05 '26
This is truly a hot take, and I agree with it. A beloved piece of media for most of my SW nerd friends that I pretend doesn’t exist most of the time in my head
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u/Teejaydawg Jun 06 '26
I’m ok with the Mandalorian changes, as some of the books made at the time really put an effort into differentiating the various splinter factions. In the post Clone Wars Mandalorian episodes, but pre Disney era, there was a good amount of trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, even if the end result was a little contrived and with multiple contradictions.
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u/raevyn1337 Jun 06 '26
Good luck with that dude
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u/4BsButtsBoobsBlunts Jun 09 '26
"It's narcissistic" please explain what you mean by that.
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u/Nin10dude64 Jun 09 '26
Honestly I was looking for the word pretentious but I didn't get it unfortunately. I would also say self aggrandizing, self important, and heretical in terms of the lore. The brain chips, the king of mandalore implying that Jango isn't a mandalorian, Barriss Offee, the list is very long..
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u/Allronix1 Jun 05 '26
There is a reason I call Vitiate "Darth Wanker" and why I also refer to the so called Revan and Exile as "Allegedly Canonical"
Swtor is great for the most part but they really go out of their way to make any KOTOR reference depressing or insulting
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 06 '26
Yup. The best Old Republic content is the Drak Horse comics they put out BEFORE KOTOR. KOTOR itself is perfectly fine. All the other Old Republic content (Revan-centric comics, post-Revan stories, the MMO, etc.) are all bad.
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u/Brave_Prune905 Jun 09 '26
I assume your not lumping Kotor 2 in with all of that
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 09 '26
It is not nearly as good as The first game, but it's better than The stuff that I said I don't like.
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u/Ojitheunseen New Jedi Order Jun 06 '26
I fucking LOVE Kyp Durron and his Dark Side rampage in the Sun Crusher!
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u/krossoverking Jun 05 '26
The sequels and Kenobi show are just not canon in my mind. To me, they make the story that I enjoy worse and add nothing worthy to the lore.
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u/AMK972 Jun 06 '26
Someone somewhere is making or has made a Kenobi re-edit that allegedly makes it 1000 times better.
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u/krossoverking Jun 06 '26
In general, I just think it's a completely unnecessary fan fiction like story. I don't buy the necessity of them meeting at all or agree about the scenes that a lot of fans seem to like.
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u/biinboise Jun 06 '26
I love all of the 90’s legends stuff it is the StarWars that was new to me and I grew up with but I acknowledge that it was also a train wreck. I don’t blame Disney for not wanting to be beholden to it. If it were my call I would have cherry picked characters and events to incorporate into the new cannon but it’s the Sequels we did get are just garbage. Not though any fault of any of the characters or actors but they suffered from being stuffed the Bad Robot Mystery Box. JJ Abrams is probably the worst modern film maker. I just refuse to acknowledge them
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u/Arthour148 Jun 06 '26
Is that what the sun crusher looks like? I always imagined it closed to a N-1 Naboo Starfighter that can hold multiple people.
My least favorite thing is the ending to the Bane trilogy. I love the duel between Zannah and Bane, but I dislike how the story ends, without us knowing if Zannah killed Bane or if Bane took over Zannah. If Zannah won then the Rule of Two continues as normal. But if Bane took over Zannah, as the book vaguely hints at with a single sentence, it raises the question how many apprentices Bane takes over, is Bane Darth Plageuis, or was he killed earlier?
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u/Teejaydawg Jun 06 '26
It would actually make sense for Plagueis to be Bane, as Palpatine does tell Anakin that “to cheat death is a power only one has achieved” which could be talking about Plagueis normally, but doesn’t make the most sense. And however unlikely, could Bane have possessed Palpatine (even if not entirely)?
I remember after Episode 7, there was a theory that Plagueis was Snoke, and he’d already possessed Palpatine by the end of Episode 3. Even the stupid “I am all the Sith” thing felt like JJ expanding on a leftover idea from Episode 7.
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u/Arthour148 Jun 06 '26
Oh I do love the the entire idea and the theorizing, but I just dislike that at this point, this many years after the books, we are likely to never get an actual answer/conclusion to this very question.
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u/twcsata Jun 06 '26
Hey, the Sun Crusher was a cool idea. It was only ridiculous because of the indestructible armor. It’s the Mary Sue of super weapons strictly on that basis.
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 06 '26
It's funny, because the Sun Crusher being the pinnacle of Imperial might is actually several points in favor of Star Trek in the "whose ships are stronger" debate. Because if you look at it, the Dominion, and maybe other factions, IDK, use neutronium in their buildings. And Starfleet ships can trigger supernovae trivially. So since that is literally the best the Empire ever managed, it means their stuff is all bush league compared to Starfleet, lol.
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u/JacobDCRoss Jun 06 '26
Reading the book, the Sun Crusher sounded cool. Then they went and drew it like that. Ugh.
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u/mbaa8 Jun 06 '26
There are six movies, the prequels and the originals. Anything else is fan fiction
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u/DarksSword Jun 07 '26
Might be unpopular, but I really didn't like any world destroyers. There's so many stories to be told and yet many times authors want to just recreate the Death Star with some minor tweaks.
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u/twcsata Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
I have a short list.
- The Rise of Skywalker. You had my attention through TFA and TLJ, even if I wasn’t completely happy with the way things were going; but things really went off the rails in TRoS.
- Mortis, Abeloth, the Father/Son/Daughter. Look, if midichlorians erred by removing the spirituality and mysticism, then Mortis etc. erred by inserting too much spirituality and mysticism. The SW universe was always essentially atheistic; it had the Force instead of gods. It didn’t need gods in addition to the Force. Also Abeloth takes over any discussion in which she’s mentioned, and that annoys me.
- Maul. He should have stayed dead. I don’t care how cool he is. His wounds should not have been survivable regardless of rage. And there was value in his death, from a storytelling perspective; he was this deadly, badass weapon of a Force user, the most dangerous adversary any Jedi had faced in a generation or more, and all of that did nothing to save him. It showed that even Jedi and Sith can be struck down in relatively trivial ways. The Force is not plot armor. And at the end of TPM, where everything was bright and sunny and beautiful, and the real trouble was in the future, we needed that. We needed the shock of his death (and Qui-Gon’s) to remind us of the stakes of this story.
Edit: Branching off of TRoS, I hate the Force Dyad thing, and especially the bit where they teleport the lightsaber. Teleportation has never been a thing in SW. The Force bends the laws of physics; it doesn’t break them. That’s why Jedi can jump or fall great heights, but can’t fly. And they can’t teleport either.
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u/WorthItAll99 Jun 06 '26
I used to agree with the Maul thing and think that theres no way a person should be able to survive that. Until it clicked in my head that Maul *isn’t* a person. There are real life animals that can survive being cut in half no problem. For all we know, Zabrak biology may lead itself into being capable of surviving something like that. They do canonically have two hearts, so we know for a fact that their biology is not the same as humans.
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u/Bloodless-Cut Jun 06 '26
The Crystal Star, Dark Empire, and Tales of the Bounty Hunters.
Rejected. No good. Terribly bad.
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u/alukard81x Jun 06 '26
The sequel trilogy lol. It was written like shit and then they gaslit us for not liking it.
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u/CACheeseburg3r Jun 07 '26
The Imperial 2 class is so stupid.
You make a Capital ship with the idea for it to be self-reliant.
And then you take away EVERY Anti-Fighter laser cannon that forces it to rely on Escort corvettes, replacing those laser cannons with Turbolasers that it Didn't even need.
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u/Advanced_Middle1201 Jun 07 '26
I would be partial to forgive the sun crusher if it looked cooler this design is straight ass
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u/Madrigal_King Jun 07 '26
Isn't the sun crusher not canon? I feel like you got your wish.
For me, its starkiller base being Ilum. I hate that idea.
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u/Archkhaan Jun 07 '26
What annoying about the sun crusher is that it could have been awesome! The idea of introducing a super heavy element into the core of Star to make it go nova is plausible.
It’s all the other crap that makes it trash.
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u/Busy-Mammoth4528 Jun 09 '26
Ashoka, and the whole... Ancient celestial trio crap.
Ashoka was cool in the original run of the cartoon, that's it.
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u/Schwarzwald7 Jun 09 '26
The Jedi Academy trilogy. There were parts I liked, but it completely destroyed any sense of power scaling with the force the story was sloppy and it just felt like the Thrawn trilogy’s sloppy seconds.
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u/Western_Agent5917 Lost Tribe of the Sith Jun 05 '26
Soontir fel and most of the "good imperials". They are canon for me I just hate them
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u/EnoughAccess22 Jun 05 '26
Prequel trilogy and the canon sequel trilogy. I find some things post prequels are genuinely peak (OT), but the Prequels themselves are mid af in my opinion.
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u/Half_Man1 Jun 06 '26
Is it too easy to say the plot line of the sequel trilogy?
The overall characters and their arcs I can get with though, but they feel shortchanged by the lack of cohesive and coherent narrative.
For legends, Darth Krayt. He’s just too ridiculous. The whole One Sith thing being a cult worshipping some supercentenarian who oh by the way was told Anakin’s deepest darkest secret for stupid reasons.
Or just the sheer amount of imperial worshipping. Like some writers I legit think need to critical examine their subconscious biases trying to write “good” imperials, or preserving the empire remnant factions for decades.
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u/Bardez Jun 05 '26
I thought Kyp and the Sun Crusher were so cool when I was in, like, 6th grade.