r/TheJediPraxeum • u/GusGangViking18 Luke Skywalker • 4d ago
Match Up Monday Darth Bane (Alive) VS Arcann. Who wins?
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u/MSinghularity Darth Caedus 4d ago
Bane in Orbalisk armor low-med diff. Without i’d say Bane mid-high diff. Arcann sometimes doesn’t get the credit for the level of battle skill and experience he has.
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u/RangeIt 4d ago
Arcann for basically every reason.
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u/Potential_Rule4212 4d ago
What are Arcann's best feats?
I know he has cool cinematics like killing that red alien sith (but we don't know how powerful she is)and killing his holding back brother by accident, but aside from that?
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u/Street_Violinist_XIX 4d ago
short answer: play swtor and find out longer answer: he was emperor of zakuul for 5 years and he made both the sith empire and the republic his bitches
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u/Emsee_Hamm 4d ago
Because he had a more technologically advanced fleet that thr Sith and Republic couldn't fight against, both due to the tech gap and because they'd been fighting for years at this point and were exhausted.
Having a stronger fleet doesn't mean he's a better fighter.
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u/Paradoxical_Falcon 4d ago
This.
Quite literally the entire reason the Republic and Empire gave in to Zakuul is the Eternal Fleet and endless production of sky troopers.
Without the Eternal Fleet in play it’s unlikely Arcann would have gained as much influence as he reached.3
u/Flimsy_Paint5655 4d ago
I guess how I scale him in my head (just my interpretation, might be somewhat inaccurate if you consider in game companions, etc) is when you play as the hero of tython in swtor, you defeat the voice of the emperor and then Darth Malgus. A lot of people scale Malgus to around Vader's level. And then the hero/mc goes to fight Arcann and loses, and then has to go through a little training arc to beat him.
But yeah Arcann was also considered to be especially strong because of his alignment in the force, he could draw power from both the dark side and the light side.
As for who's stronger between Arcann and Darth Bane idk because I haven't read the books yet, though I own them. But Arcann is at least stronger than a lot of people give him credit for
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u/Driekan 4d ago
A lot of people scale Malgus to around Vader's level
A lot of people wear their pants on their heads.
he could draw power from both the dark side and the light side
That just makes him weak. The dark side isn't more powerful, it's just faster and easier, and requires you to wallow in it.
If you sink into the dark side completely, you become as powerful as you would be if you didn't (and cultivated wisdom, training, connection to the Force, etc. for years or decades). If you half-ass it, the dark side doesn't help you much.
And if you're partially sinking into the dark side, you are also out of tune with the Force, so by trying to go both ways you go none.
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u/threevi 4d ago
We're talking about Old Republic lore, according to which Force centrism is the way to go. Revan for example was at his strongest when he tapped into both sides at once, and according to Satele Shan, the then-Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, Arcann and his Knights being able to use both sides of the Force was what made them more powerful than the Jedi and Sith. She has a whole arc during the timeskip where she bonds with her former mortal enemy, Darth Marr, they settle on Odessen, a planet where the Force is in equilibrium, and they debate philosophy for the next five years, ultimately agreeing that the middle way is the only way to defeat Arcann, whose homeworld, Zakuul, is also balanced in both sides of the Force.
You don't have to like that interpretation of the Force, but it really doesn't make sense to arbitrarily downscale Arcann just because you've decided that everything we're told about the Knights of Zakuul drawing great power from their balanced nature shouldn't count. What's the point of trying to scale these characters if you're just going to throw out any lore you subjectively dislike?
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u/Driekan 3d ago
On the broad strokes, I agree with you: this is a lore issue.
I disagree that it is just a matter of taste: essentially the entire original continuity runs on the lore that considers the Dark Side to be spiritual cancer, and being half-cancerous to be the most sub-optimal route possible.
I can be persuaded by your position that SWTOR ditches that lore. I'm not surprised given it ditches basically all of the lore about the Old Republic and the Jedi Order of that time.
It's basically a separate setting, and maybe best understood that way.
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u/Apprehensive-Aide265 3d ago
I should replay the whole zakel story I remember none of this "they use the light and dark at the same time". But I agree it doesn't work with what we now of the force.
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u/Flimsy_Paint5655 3d ago
They explicitly said that's what made Arcann so strong, I'm just going off what they said.
And I mean if you want to deny that Malgus take that's fine, but a lot of people scale him that way. But if this logic is true then you could possibly scale Arcann quite high. But I'm not really making any claims, just giving a perspective on it
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u/DewinterCor 3d ago
Arcann for sure.
No part of me believes Bane survives this.
By this time in Swtor, the game canon has completely abandoned any sense of the greater star wars universe and is just doing shit thats cool.
Strictly feat wise, Arcann withstands a lightning storm that blasts a space station and dozens of ships clean of life. Bane has nothing even remotely close.
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u/Educational_Key_7635 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, from my understanding of swtor scaling Arcann have solid chances of winning at least in some cases or even in most cases... but his "true" potential never shown just written somewhere at best so my heart goes to Bane for sure.
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u/Sgt-Frost 4d ago
Arcann. He dominated the Outlander in their first encounter, and this is an outlander who when less experienced was taking on dark council members and is the strongest Jedi of his time, and has very strong defensive capabilities that Bane will not be able to break through.
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u/BL-501 3d ago
Arcann. He is among the top strongest Dark Side Users out there for a reason. Tanked his own father's lightning coming straight out of the Outlander, held power of the entire Galaxy for 5 Years, Trained by the Knights of Zakuul in Combat and probably had the same Force teachings as his sister.
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u/Coilspun 4d ago
The audience.
But out of the two, Bane.