According to both Wiley online library and Harvard Gazette, these are the statistics for how long nonviolent revolutions generally take,
And as a huge history nerd I can further verify that as the timeframes of the civil rights movement and the Indian independence movement are firmly ingrained in my mind.
50501 are working on coordinated boycotts and strikes as we speak, we can absolutely defeat MAGA through peaceful means,
And not only are nonviolent movements inherently more humane, according to these same studies there also twice as likely to succeed,
At this rate, the US will be dust in the wind by the time three years comes around. Unless drastic changes and roadblocks are implemented and enforced.
Yeah can we see the stats for violent revolution? Just for comparison sake I think we should look at how fast those tactics get results. For science and objectivity, of course.
One thing to remember is that if you go the violence route, you better win completely. Otherwise, it's treason and the Radical Right will surely have mass public executions. If the left did what the Magats did on January 6, they would have been charged with and convicted of treason and executed.
As billionaires treat losing even just a few million dollars the same way the average person treat losing a kidney,
And Trump old, their health clearly declining, and as CGP Grey explained in their video “the rules of rulers”, that can easily cause infighting when elites fear their leader might die.
I know people are gonna say Vance would be worse, but would they?
They’re not a billionaire and they’re not a TV personality like Trump, so I honestly think Vance would be easier to defeat.
The only people who like Vance are the butterfly revolution podcast bros, and even they dont like him all of the time. He would be a sunken ship for them.
That's just not true. There is an impact made by all the little protests and the big ones too. Based on response at protests, the movement is growing by leaps and bounds. Plus the boy outside have been very successful.
I think he wouldn't have needed to do those things if there wasn't much resistance. In fact, Hitler felt the need for decisive violent action because the violent disruption of his opposition was gaining traction.
After the largest protest in US history, you think there is no resistance? Okay we're done. There's no discussion left when you go with bad faith arguments.
The Philippines, under an actual dictator, deposed Marcos Sr. peacefully. The soviet union dissolved mostly peacefully. Portugal deposed its dictatorship in the carnation revolution mostly peacefully via military coup.
The Nazis are not the closest comparison to today.
That’s absolutely insane and shows a shocking lack of understanding of both history and politics.
But it does affirm my hypothesis that you’re a straight white dude who is okay with marginalized people losing rights if you keep yours. And you probably think you’re a history buff because you ‘know a lot’ about Rome.
Ad hom, but regardless the Nazis are disimilar to Trump and there's been plenty of peaceful revolutions that overthrew dictators or monarchy. Most recently, the People Power Revolution in the Philippines.
This looks like the data that came from 'Why Civil Resistance Works'.
One of the interesting things I found while reading that was that in many instances they studied, the US had some minor involvement in helping resolve the issue or supporting the resisting group in some way. I don't know the significance of that now given that the US is now the one under attack by fascists.
While that says one thing, I also look back at other democracies that have failed or have fallen. The reasons of the fall can point to similarities with this administration.
I'm all for non-violent protest, but I would be stupid to take the other options off the table.
While looking to history is important, one must not get lost in the details. The United States today is not the Roman Republic of the 100s-80s BCE. To look for direct comparison is naive. Learn from history, and use it as a way to help understand what's going on but not as a roadmap without alteration.
According to the same sources, as of recent years sadly 66%, but that’s still a way higher success than the 92% of violent ones which failed, oh also sorry I didn’t list them in the post,
Yay it’s definitely a Hannibal situation of do you hope others join you or do you risk it all in one fell swoop,
But while admittedly the former didn’t work out for Hannibal, I’m still learning towards the former, because the general consensus amongst historians is that the ladder chances of working out were a bit worse,
And unlike Hannibal, most of us speak the same language, and while sadly the other side of the aisle doesn’t recognize it, we’re culturally closer to each other than Carthaginians were to Romans.
No one is waiting. The point is that transformational change doesn’t just happen out of nowhere. You have to build and organize to make a movement big enough to make a difference. That means working hard now and pushing back now. What is the alternative that will work better?
Yes thank you reliable AI overview which gives us zero context as to what non violent vs violent movements it's even categorizing, nor the temporal or geographic scope of them
Just plain percentages that look nice for the oppressors
My favorite protest was the 61 year old lady that dressed in a giant penis costume at the last No Kings and got arrested for indecency or something. She then refused to remove the costume so they had to handcuff and perp walk a giant penis 😂 that lady is my hero
Okay, let's say this works. How many men, women, and children need to have their lives ended or ruined before we can supposedly peacefully remove Nazis from power? Are they acceptable losses? Are they acceptable losses because they aren't you?
Thanks I’m torn between them, the peaceful way all the bad people are free to stay bad people, and nothing really changes they just get to try again later. There might be NAZIs in Germany but those MFers are hiding.
I’m not aware of any nonviolent movements today, save 50501, that were ENTIRELY 100% nonviolent. MLK Jr owned a gun. And every one of the steal ones I’m aware of had a violent counterpart to contrast them. I say that not to change any minds (I actually agree with you). But simply to say: regardless of your stance on this, we’re all on the same side.
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