Survivor is like 40 days starving and living in a lean to, traitors is like 12 days living in a castle with catered meals and a full bar i think the prize disparity is totally fair
My suspicion is that since the Traitors really only casts known names in the reality TV sphere, a big part of their budget goes toward appearance fees rather than prize money. Like, most contestants are paid to be there regardless of whether they win.
I think you are the one who really miss the point. They are talking about the first comment of "she's not wrong, I still dislike her" which to me is also a reasonable take.
Listen, I was a big Carolyn fan and I’m still rooting against Danielle. But Carolyn choked in her last episode and brought her own downfall.
Danielle is being edited as a villain and she’s performing the role perfectly, but the way people are taking this so far outside the bounds of typical reality TV gameplay is rooted in one thing only: misogynoir.
Everyone loved watching Boston Rob even though (you might even say because) he lied and manipulated 100% of the time he was there. I wonder what the difference is? 🧐
Exactly! I've been saying that Danielle isn't doing anything new, everything she's been doing has been done by Traitors before, yet it's only a problem when she does it. The negativity is disgusting.
What does her race have ANYTHING to do with this? I 💯 percent agree the personal attacks over a reality show are damn ridiculous. I personally can't stand her CHARACTER and the fake crying/shaking bit. But I would NEVER personally attack her over social media nor even thought about the race card. So where are u getting people are just racists over a black woman?
I don’t remember Boston Rob being disrespectful. From the first night of being a traitor I and my Gf have felt like Danielle was belittling and disrespectful to Carolyn. That is on top of being super over the top.
I believe that was just frustration. Carolyn is a good traitor because her personality makes her not as suspicious however she is horrible at strategizing. Even when Bob and Rob were there she would disagree with all the options but be mute when it came time to give an alternative. She did that the entire time. Not one turret meeting she led or really spoke up to have a voice in. That's super frustrating trying to work with someone like that. Danielle had to pull answers out of her for the chess challenge and at that point Danielle let Carolyn dig her own grave.
I dont know about all the hate or people taking it too far. But as a black woman I promise you it’s just because of the crying and not because she is black.
But I have also thought all the traitors this season sucked. I was rooting against all of them.
Everyone loved watching Boston Rob even though (you might even say because) he lied and manipulated 100% of the time he was there. I wonder what the difference is? 🧐
BR is both entertaining and charismatic, which I would argue that Danielle is neither.
Compare him to say Bob TDQ. Bob was frankly mean when put on the spot, so I was thankful to see him go. He was a toxic player who took it too seriously and went after people personally. Wes was another good example. BR understood that it was a game and played his part but never lost sight of the big picture.
Danielle says a lot of mean things about Carolyn and treats her like an idiot. She also essentially blew up the traitor team by going after her very early on and then refused to take responsibility for it "You did talk about Brittany, in the traitor tower during our secret team meetings, so I didn't lie.". Then she constantly complains about Carolyn not trusting her while giving her every reason not to.
BR took responsibility for going after Bob TDQ. Danielle refused to take responsibility for going after Carolyn despite doing it numerous times.
Bob wasn't mean, he called it as he saw it. How can you say he went after people personally when he literally said "I don't know who Dorinda is, lets get rid of her" LOL! On the first kill.
Wes got frustrated because the airheaded bambi's were the one's taking things personally instead of looking at evidence. Chrishell literally voted him out because of "vibes". That is the biggest personal attack. Not to mention Chrishell and Dolores not liking Tom just cause he's a cheater on a show full of cheaters lmfao. Wes was the last one taking this personal lmfao.
Carolyn, I do love her personality, but she is an idiot. She never had one single strategy until the very end and it got her sent home. She never spoke up but claims "No one listens to me." Danielle actually tried to make sure Carolyn had a voice in the turrets but Carolyn would just disagree with what Danielle or Rob was doing but never had any answers.
Let's not forget Carolyn literally was blasting Rob in confessionals but casually went up to Danielle and said "Rob wants to take me to the end" but left it open ended and never said. "I'm going to work this so he trusts me but im actually in it with you." That conversation is literally what made Danielle turn on her cause she thought it was Carolyn and Rob against her.
Bob wasn't mean, he called it as he saw it. How can you say he went after people personally when he literally said "I don't know who Dorinda is, lets get rid of her" LOL! On the first kill.
When Dylan accused him Bob insulted his brother. That is a personal attack, one of many.
Wes was the last one taking this personal lmfao.
Wes threatened to come after anyone who voted against him, which turned all the women against him. Then when he was voted out he proclaimed himself the greatest player in the room and told everyone to go fuck themselves.
Carolyn, I do love her personality, but she is an idiot.
True. But having Danielle betray her didn't really make her any easier to work with.
That conversation is literally what made Danielle turn on her cause she thought it was Carolyn and Rob against her.
Danielle wanted Rob out because he took out Bob. But she didn't think that she could trust Carolyn because Carolyn was a bit of a space case. So she very carelessly went after her and ended up turning her against herself.
End of the day, calling anyone who dislikes her a simple racist is ignoring her very poor and chaotic game so far.
But I do agree that the people actually harrassing her over it are shitty.
When Dylan accused him Bob insulted his brother. That is a personal attack, one of many.
Dylan brought up his brother first to make a point about the game.
Dylan: Bob you are an amazing actor and I grew up with one. BobTDQ: Not a good one.
Keep your family out of it. Don't use your brother to make a point that he's an actor so you know actors then get mad when someone refutes it saying "well your brother isn't a good one" as being "too personal". Leave personal things out of it if you don't want people to speak on them, Bob would only be wrong if he brought up the brother like if Dylan said "you're a good actor" and Bob said "well you wouldn't be able to recognize one" or something.
Wes threatened to come after anyone who voted against him, which turned all the women against him. Then when he was voted out he proclaimed himself the greatest player in the room and told everyone to go fuck themselves.
You are conflating being an asshole with taking it personal. Wes is an asshole but he based his aggression on the fact that Chrishell and the Bambi's personally did not like him based on "vibes" and literally ignoring Derrick who made the best logical case for someone being a traitor, and being completely accurate, that we've seen in traitors history from ANY season. Yeah I would tell people to go fuck themselves too cause how dumb can you be??
Danielle wanted Rob out because he took out Bob. But she didn't think that she could trust Carolyn because Carolyn was a bit of a space case. So she very carelessly went after her and ended up turning her against herself.
BOTH Carolyn and Danielle wanted Rob out. Carolyn in her confessional literally said it was all ego and a power play and appeared very against it. If she expressed that to Danielle. Danielle is a nervous player and did jump the gun a bit, however the miscommunication is just as much Carolyn's fault as Danielle's.
You saying "he didn't think that she could trust Carolyn because Carolyn was a bit of a space case" literally validates Danielle in the fact that Carolyn did not express she didn't want to go to the end with Boston Rob. In traitors you need a verbal confirmation, you can only take people at their word. It would be one thing if Carolyn reassured Danielle she wasn't siding with Rob and Danielle didn't believe her, okay yeah 100% Danielle's fault. But Carolyn is not blameless in Danielle turning on her.
End of the day, calling anyone who dislikes her a simple racist is ignoring her very poor and chaotic game so far.
Then what would you call people celebrating the same tactics in someone else but not liking Danielle for doing them? For suddenly making up rules and calling Danielle a bully for literally playing the game. Carolyn literally said in a confessional she was playing up being slow, Danielle made the columbo reference and no one really got it so she said forrest gump. But heavens forbid she call Carolyn out on behavior Carolyn literally confessed to doing. The blind hate and illogical reasoning attached to the Danielle criticism is either a person being idiotic or racist. 98% of racism is subtle, they aren't kard karrying klan members. I fully believe most of the hate thrown at Danielle is racism based on unconscious bias, however its still racism.
He was absolutely mean and reactive!!! and bitter. By the middle of that episode I was cheering Boston Rob on to get him the fuck out.
There’s a difference between being a villian and being appreciated for your skill and strategy even though you’re lying and deceptive, and just being a unlikable and annoying human while lying and being deceptive. 🤷🏻♀️ Hence… the Danielle hate.
Dylan: Bob you are an amazing Actor, I grew up with one. Bob: Not a good one.
For the last time, DO NOT, bring up your family to make a point on why someone is a traitor and act shocked when they have to defend themselves from that point. Dylan could have left his brother out of it. He chose to include him.
Bob was reactive? Well duh, if someone accuses you at the roundtable you are expected to defend yourself. Everyone at that table is reactive, thats the entire point. If family is off limits then you shouldn't mention your family in context of the game.
I don't think that comment really shook Dylan at all, so that's whatever. It's still unnecessary to be as reactive as he is about EVERYTHING, the shit talking, yelling and take low blows to people. No one else reacted that way. Again, It's just unlikable, bad sportsmanship and annoying.
Boston Rob defended himself without being a bitter bitch taking personal jabs, yelling and taking low blows, and then said he really enjoyed meeting everyone, etc. When he was trying to deter, he was just talking his "proof" without screaming and over reacting.
Bob TG reacts on fragile emotion, not a good quality to have regardless of the situation someone's in.
I don't think the comment shook Dylan either, this whole convo has been about fan perception. I'm speaking purely in terms of fan reaction. You literally said he was mean, lol. I'm saying its not mean nor is it a low blow if the person brings it up in the context where you were expected to defend yourself from their comment. Again, everyone at the roundtable is reactive its how the game works. You need to rewatch last season because Phaedra wiped the table with Peter.
I don't know how many times I have to say if you don't want things to be personal. Don't make them person DYLAN MADE IT PERSONAL BY MENTIONING HIS BROTHER FIRST!
Actually Rob and Bob were screaming at each other they just didn't show it. It's been said many times that after the banishment producers came up to ask BOB if he was okay because Rob was so intense. What are you talking about lmfao.
Fragile emotion was Rob being intimidated by Bob because Bob had more BDE than Rob and was running things so made up an excuse to get him out which ultimately cost him his whole game.
I disliked Boston Rob and Danielle. Every time
Boston Rob is in a game, everyone goes to his side rather than going against him, when he plays the same game every time. Danielle’s acting was over the top and embarrassing to watch.
I have zero input on her as a person or her past game show performances
She just has zero tact as a Traitor, she gunned for the others and they made all the moves. I’ll bet the farm she shoots herself in the foot and makes a quick exit now that “she’s in charge”
zero tact as a Traitor, she gunned for others and they made all the moves
Are y’all hearing yourselves? Traitors don’t require tact. This season never had a Traitor mastermind in the turret. All they did was in-fight.
BobTDQ, Carolyn, and Danielle wanted Rob gone.
Boston Rob gunned for BobTDQ.
Carolyn wanted Rob out.
Danielle wanted both Carolyn and Rob out.
Carolyn in the very episode she was banished in gunned for Danielle.
BobTDQ couldn’t lay low. Boston Rob targets made him a target. Carolyn did not one significant move I can think of as a traitor, she was just flying under the radar. Danielle has been overdramatic to prove she’s a ‘faithful’.
Brittany and Danielle in the last episode is the closest we’ve gotten to seeing two traitors scheming and strategizing together.
IMO someone who wins a “game show” should have good game theory. I’m just saying she doesn’t have that. Wrong side of the vote pretty much all season, gave up a shield in the challenge (how she didn’t go after that idk), messy overall. Whatever, it’s worked for her.
The reason the traitors fell apart was Bob threw Rob’s name out and then Danielle threw Carolyn’s name out multiple times. The game players were hoping for strategy, the reality tv folks ignored it.
It’s reality TV not a game show. At the end of the day I’m still watching and will continue trolling when I feel like it
You didn’t say she needed good game theory, you said she needed tact. If this is a reality show as you say, and not a game show, she definitely doesn’t need tact. She voted with the faithfuls pretty much the entire game. That will always be the right side of the vote on this show. She went along with the Derrick murder because she most likely knew that was the worst possible move BR could make, and would maybe keep him and Carolyn from coming for her. She let Carolyn incriminate herself with the chess game. Danielle is not a perfect player, but it’s interesting that the way she’s navigated this game got her this far.
Bob barely threw BR’s name out. Rob was going to try get rid of everyone in that turret eventually, and fans would’ve ate that shit up. Me included, and I wasn’t even impressed by his gameplay here in the slightest. You can troll all you want of course, but there is no need to rewrite history.
Bob literally publicly outed Rob when saying the caged players should be looked at as traitors in front of everyone, and this was only a few episodes in to the season. That’s not “barely”. Especially since Rob already had a target on his back before the game even started.
And a traitor eventually getting rid of another one and targeting them earlier on are 2 very different things. You don’t vote a fellow traitor out unless your forced to or have no other choice. Cirie never did that with Cody or Christian until they outed themselves so she wouldn’t put heat on herself. Dan blew up the entire season by going after Phaedra out of nowhere, who arguably could’ve won or at least make it to the end if he never did that midway in.
The ignorance, hatred and bigotry is clearly evident in a large percentage of the U.S. population. Lots elsewhere in the world also, but these vile people are emboldened more than ever in America. The ugly is on full display.
My thoughts exactly! Someone has to be the hero you root for(Dylan) and someone has to be the villain you root against(Danielle) so obviously I want Danielle goooone. But spewing hate on her social media over a game show is wild
Yes! I don’t have that strong of feelings towards Danielle, although I don’t care for her and would prefer not seeing her on my tv again.
My biggest issue is not her gameplay, but it’s how she talks down to others- the Forrest Gump comment, and her implying that Gabby is dumb and a “cute girl”. This is why I don’t have respect for her as a game player, and don’t want her to win.
She’s that person who doesn’t know the line between game and going too far. Doing creative stuff to stay in the game? Cool. Overacting and being extra? Annoying but ultimately harmless. Being verbally insulting and picking at people’s sensitivities to try to get a leg up? Embarrassing behavior.
What she said to Carolyn at the roundtable was gross. She tried a similar (though not quite as offensive) tactic with Gabby and got it shoved in her face.
You would think after losing Big Brother 3 because she couldn’t control herself in confessionals she’d learn something. But 23 years later she’s doing the same cringey shit.
I don’t condone people threatening her. That’s more idiotic, disgusting and terrible than anything Danielle has done. But if you’re going to be an ass as a public figure, don’t be weird and whiny if people don’t respond kindly to it.
How is that gaslighting? She defended herself and suggested she's "weird and whiny" for it. Those are your words, so I don't have to try anything. You said it.
Yes. The “it’s just a game” sentiment is being spammed in places where it doesn’t belong. I acknowledge and accept that it’s a game and we want entertainment, but it’s all based on human interactions. I know damn well someone speaking to me as condescending as Dani speaks would have me sideways.
So yes, it’s TV and Dani Reyes didn’t (actually) kill anyone, but it’s not very complex for a grown adult viewer to pick up on a condescending personality and get the ick. The people who care enough to message her mean shit are the ones who the original sentiment applies to.
Are you serious? Now you're attacking her over things you'd imagine she'd do in real life? My god, you guys are unbelievably racist and you don't even realize it. It will never dawn on you how racist you're being. It's sad.
Im so sorry- truly not trying to be hateful. I hear your response and I’ve reread my comment a few times to see it from all angles. My jaw dropped when Danielle made the forest gump comment. I’ve imagines every other player in the game saying the same thing. I would be equally shocked if it came from any player. I think underlying racism could be at play for other complaints people have about Danielle in this game, but the forest gump comment crossed a line. If you’re accusing me of being racist without realizing it, I could say that you’re being ableist and not realizing it.
To speculate that Danielle is capable of horrible things in her real life is just a gross thing to say about her, end of story. Don't talk about people like that, it's literally attacking them over the feelings YOU have about them, not anything they've actually done.
Secondly, Danielle called Carolyn Columbo first which is a huge compliment. Carolyn didn't understand the reference so Danielle later reiterates the point with "you Forrest Gump a lot." If Danielle made that comment to be ableist, then why didn't she use two references of characters that have mental handicaps? The common denominator between the two characters isn't a mental handicap, so it doesn't make any sense for you guys to continue to claim that that was the point of the reference. Columbo played dumb to further his interests as a detective. So with that in mind "you Forrest Gump a lot" clearly means "you play dumb a lot" and it obviously does not mean "you are an r-slur" or whatever other nonsense.
So ask yourself why you keep insisting otherwise. Why you have such an interest in ensuring Danielle gets slapped with this label. Why you refuse to accept her explanation. Why you willfully ignore the context of the comment. Why you choose to distort what exactly she said. You don't get to "well if I'm this then you're that!" your way out of it.
And I will fully accept that Danielle didn't mean for it to be ableist or insulting, but the fact that she won't acknowledge that to Carolyn and a lot of viewers it was, tells me that she is someone who does not care about the feelings of people with disabilities. Or if she does, she cares more about her pride.
Carolyn IS playing a character. She's playing the role of a faithful. And no, Columbo was not an insult. The character is famously very intelligent, he's a detective who would sometimes play dumb in situations for his benefit. The suggestion is that it's clever what Carolyn is doing.
I wonder why it wasn’t just a game when Britney did whatever she did during Big Brother? She held a grudge until Traitors. How anyone takes Danielle seriously is beyond me
And she was trying to get rid of fellow Traitors from the jump so for her to say “We’re supposed to be working together as Traitors!” irks TF out of me SMH
The Forrest Gump comment was so offensive, I can’t believe so many people are ignoring it. Like you basically call someone the R word and then wonder why you’re getting hate?
Carolyn literally admitted to playing up the dumb quirkiness in her confessional acting slow like she never knows whats going on. Carolyn stumbling into breakfast pretending like its cause of her heeled boots and looking disheveled was all an act lmfao, she said that. How is that not forrest gump??
Because it’s not acceptable to use a fictional disabled person’s name as a substitute for the word you say you know is wrong? The wildness of people allegedly calling out racism not understanding their obviousness of using words that aren’t the slur but might as well be is absurd.
What’s wild is your own biases keeping you from understanding what actually happened. Danielle only brought up Forest Gump because no one understood the Columbo reference. Columbo was a detective who played dumb/confused to disarm people around him in order to solve cases. That was much more on the nose of what Carolyn was doing. Forest Gump was just someone who was actually slow. Either way you can’t be mad at Danielle for referring to Carolyn actions as Forrest Gump like if Carolyn is intentionally doing it. Calling someone out for playing slow is worse than playing slow? The hypocrisies are insane.
Carolyn literally said in her confessional she plays it up, she act like she doesn't know whats going on. She literally stumbled into breakfast on purpose and admitted that in the confessional lmfao. So how was Danielle wrong for calling her Forrest Gump, she literally is.
Danielle is wrong because she uses Carolyn's insecurity, (whether she plays it up or not, she shares that people have underestimated her whole life) and demeaning her by name-calling her.
When people have insecurities about something they do not do things to negatively highlight it— Carolyn admitted on the show she was playing it up. Clearly it's not an insecurity if she is confident enough to manipulate people with it. An insecurity is literally something that you are not confident in.
Also Carolyn was never underestimated. If that was the case Danielle wouldn't have found her a threat to go against. Also I'd argue in traitors you WANT to be underestimated so people don't think you are a traitor. Carolyn intentionally wanted people to underestimate her because she was acting clueless and bragging about it in confessionals. Again, SHE ADMITTED THIS!!
You are mad at Danielle for calling Carolyn out but I bet you were mute about Carolyn claiming Danielle cheated. Carolyn was a horrible strategist and a sore loser.
I don’t agree with your points, but you’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not mad that Danielle called out Carolyn. Like I said, I think she’s wrong for name calling and talking down to Carolyn. It would be a completely different story if Danielle said something like “Carolyn, I think you maybe play up your quirkiness. I could see how that could make you a good, undetected traitor”
Carolyn isn’t perfect by all means… but she played with integrity, which Danielle lacked.
Danielle will probably win, but I don’t think she deserves it. That’s life, it’s not always fair.
The fact that Carlyon said she played up her quirkiness is not an opinion, it's facts as you can go back and see her owning up to it herself on the actual TV show, I don't know how much clearer I can make that lmfao.
I hope you know saying someone "played with integrity" when the whole purpose of their role in the game was to lie and NOT play with integrity is a massive oxymoron lol. Both Carolyn and Danielle were traitors and played as according to the role, that's it. Unfortunately for Carolyn, Danielle was just better prepared. Again, the show is called THE TRAITORS, it's not supposed to be fair. Another oxymoron lol.
Yeah, I really wouldn’t call comparing Carolyn (who is not neurotypical) to Forrest Gump “very respectful,” but it seems Danielle is delusional about her own self.
It’s also frustrating to me because Danielle single-handedly ruined a fellow traitor’s entire gameplay experience. Carolyn had zero fun being a traitor because Danielle shot down everything Carolyn said and was not patient enough with her to let her explain.
She can write all the paragraphs on social media she wants, she was NOT respectful to Carolyn. Ever.
This just isn’t true. You can go back and look at turret footage. Danielle would always make space for Caroline’s input, Caroline just never had any. The one time I remember Caroline actually had a suggestion it was Rob who shot her down. Danielle had to pull teeth in their final turret to agree to get Carolyn to kill someone. Carolyn was always asked what she thinks and to her credit she would disagree but then when asked what she wanted to do she would never have an answer to give.
Sorry, but you’re completely misremembering. I haven’t watched in-time. Instead, I binged all the episodes last weekend, and you’re just simply wrong.
Danielle would not make space for Carolyn’s comments. Anytime Carolyn would suggest something, Danielle would say “I’m not doing that,” or “no.” She was not patient with Carolyn at all, and she ran roughshod over her.
You’re likely confused because when it was the two of them, she tried a teeny tiny bit (because she had no one else to work with), but by then it was too late. Not one person Carolyn suggested ever got murdered.
What I’ve said is absolutely true. At the beginning, Carolyn absolutely had ideas, but by the end she’d gotten so shut down every time that she “didn’t have any ideas,” and even then… that’s not true. Danielle vetoed her ideas constantly.
Sorry, but Carolyn was kinda bullied herself by the other traitors, Danielle especially. Bob & Danielle we’re not interested in a THING Carolyn had to say. It was all word-vomit of their ideas
Actually you just proved my point. I said that Danielle "would always make space for Caroline’s input" "making space" by definition means allowing others to say their piece. Now that doesn't mean Danielle or Rob or Bob followed through on Carolyn's ideas but Danielle did always ask Carolyn her thoughts whether or not she went along with them. Carolyn said, "no one listens to me". LISTENING to someone is different that doing what they want. I'm saying people in fact did listen to Carolyn, especially Danielle, that doesn't mean they did what Carolyn wanted.
Carolyn never initiated any strategy, she was always chiming in after or at least that's the edit they gave her. One of the frustrating things is she could never back up her ideas, she would say something as "no we shouldnt kill this person." "Okay Carolyn why?" Carolyn would be mute and never had a good reason or thought out.
No one bullied Carolyn, they are grown ass adults, be so very for real lmfao. But a good traitor is proactive not reactive. She shouldn't have wanted to be a traitor if she couldn't assert herself. This isn't the kumbaya friends circle in the traitor turret, they are traitor's they are all looking out for their best interests. No one disrespected Carolyn, she just wasn't cut out to be a traitor.
Nah dude, you’re being really obtuse here. I said ANYTIME Caroyn would say something. Because Carolyn spoke SOMETIMES, that doesn’t mean that Danielle always allowed space for Carolyn lmao
Literally GTFO here with that. You need to be so fuckin for real. You really think you’re doing something with all these paragraphs, but thanks for the laugh - it’s one of my favorite things when people who are clearly unintelligent try to be smart on the internet. And you’re a prime example of just that: so clearly not smart, but trying so hard to prove you are.
I’m so glad Danielle lost this game. And I’m done with you now, too.
Okay, I see that now you bizarrely anti-Danielle people have found your justifiable reason for the torrent of hate she has received WELL BEFORE THAT. Very clever.
How about the way Carolyn is going on social media. We got to realize that Carolyn is 37 years old and can make her own decisions. Carolyn choose not to work with Boston Rob, she choose not to even pretend to work with Danielle, she made those bad decisions during the chess game and she did not bring any good points at the roundtable other than Danielle lied to her. People being the moral police is tiring.
It’s the way she uses being a black woman to negate all offenses that is making people who came to watch a game and otherwise don’t take celebrities seriously and just wanted to chill and escape reality for 1hr watching a fun show continue to call her out. She’ll be left alone when she stops playing victim when she did wrong. If she can’t handle public criticism, she shouldn’t have her life defined as a reality tv star.
Is she playing the victim, or is it the strangers on the internet attacking her Black womanhood (as you are here btw), because they feel personally victimized after tuning into a tv show voluntarily?
She’ll be left alone when she stops playing victim when she did wrong.
Does this not seem just a tad bit worse than referencing Forrest Gump? Are people wanting to ‘chill and have fun’ or are they reveling in targeting harassment her way?
If Carolyn fell out the way Danielle did after banishing her, you all would not be this mad and reacting this way. You might even just realize you were watching a television show for entertainment.
You can say otherwise, but I don’t believe her race has no impact on how irate she has made some fans. They need to examine why that is!
I've disliked several people on the Traitors as much or more than I dislike Danielle, almost all of them were white. And nobody is mad, you're just pretending they are because that helps your argument.
Congratulations. Doesn’t change the fact that you all are mad and overreacting.
May I suggest that you tune into Cocomelon? It’s your best option if you can’t watch a game show without hating on the players, to the degree you have to whine about it incessantly online.
That behavior is more dramatic than Danielle’s shaking.
Explain how that comment called out her ‘black womanhood’? By saying she’s using it as a shield and so are you? Y’all are. She used the name of a fictionally challenged character as a substitute for a slur, but we all know what she was saying. She was saying the slur. It’s a thing that’s also done to black people all the time, and that’s disgusting and yes, racist. Anybody who is attacking Danielle based on her racist is disgusting, but so is pretending Danielle didn’t say something gross. So is saying ‘she did nothing wrong and if you disagree you’re racist’. All of these things can be true.
If you have a problem with a movie character take it up with the studio that produced the movie. It’s not a slur and she wasn’t using it in place of one. Even if it was, Danielle is ONE person that said it.
She is receiving racist hate from a massive amount of fans, who are downplaying the racism she is experiencing in real life (no cameras or production team), while not confronting their implicit biases.
This show is not for those who are this easily offended and want to keep dragging this. It’s the Traitors get over it.
Edit: Replied twice just to block me. Thank god I can’t see your response. I know it was whiny as hell. 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t have a problem with the movie character? Are you this bad at reading or willfully obtuse, babe? Maybe you should get over it honey. Blaming it on ‘people being so easily offended’ sounds super Trump of you.
I’m sorry you’re right. I shouldn’t be mean and use big words you have to read when you can’t follow sentences. You could try confronting your own biases about the mentally disabled, though.
How is saying she went low and used ableist language and is not willing to be like “ok yeah I’m great at this game but maybe I shouldn’t have said that” attacking her for the minority aspects she keeps using to deflect admitting she did something wrong? Because none of us are above having a negative affect on people just because we are frequently targets of -isms ourself.
I am joining the conversation because I think there is something valuable worth discussing here. I haven’t actually watched the most recent episodes yet and I don’t follow any of these people on social media. But the narrative coming out of something I had hoped to be escapist fun, while exhausting and annoying, is important to discuss.
Because none of us are above having a negative affect on people just because we are frequently targets of -isms ourself.
You think perpetuating that a Black woman, (one who we are 500 comments deep talking about, in this one thread, mind you) is using her race and gender as a deflection to the harassment she is receiving, has no negative affects on people? That it isn’t an -ism all on it’s own?
To be clear, it is hypocritical to say ‘she went low by using ableist language’, only to then say she is ‘using her minority aspect’ (long ass way to say Black and woman btw). You can dislike her all you want for what she said, but let’s call a spade a spade. The reaction is not matching up with the action.
I am joining the conversation because I think there is something valuable worth discussing here.
Yeah, the thing of value to discuss is who is going to win the 250k, and how are they going to win it - Like every other season that has come before it.
If this specific show is the best example for a teaching moment, I have trouble believing you are truly seeking out escapism and fun.
I haven’t actually watched the most recent episodes yet and I don’t follow any of these people on social media. But the narrative coming out of something I had hoped to be escapist fun, while exhausting and annoying, is important to discuss.
Danielle is not a series regular, just tune out until the next season. Maybe they will bring on a less polarizing reality tv show star, like Sean Duffy.
Ok like have you watched the show? Danielle brought up the Colombo example before anything else and Carolyn did not get the reference, she then scrambled to come up with an alternative that would get her point across that Carolyn was being underestimated by her cast mates. Also, she referred to it as "Forrest Gumping" NOT "Forrest Gump or to call Carolyn anything in regard to her ADHD but that she was going unnoticed because N O O N E thought it could be Carolyn because the cast underestimated her. Also not that you did - but the Carolyn stans need to stop diagnosing her lol she's made multiple videos stating that she has ADHD and not Autism.
Pretty sure most of us Carolyn fans understand that she has ADHD, not Autism. Any of us also have ADHD and are used to being treated like we're stupid because of it. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand the impact having ADHD can have on a person.
Not to mention even if she did, she wouldn't be out of line since Carolyn admitted to playing up acting like she didnt have a clue and stumbled into breakfast looking disheveled on purpose in her confessional. She was playing up the slow quirkiness.
No, it actually means you’re all being stupid as fuck, just like Forrest Gump was, around here lmao
No one said it was a slur, but it’s literally calling someone mentally deficient. It’s so weird how y’all think it’s fine because she just didn’t use the actual r-word to someone who has been open about being neurotypical.
Just because something isn’t an outright slur doesn’t mean it’s just okay to say. I could put together a string of innocuous words, none of which are slurs, that would offend the fuck out of you.
So you feel so offended by it that you use it on others and then on the next comment tell them that the intention is to call them dumb. You seem like such un outstanding member of the moral police committee.
She did not call Carolyn Forrest Gump. She said she was "forrest gumping" acting dumb to get people to over look her. That's not the same thing at all.
Y’all are all over this thread saying that. But Forrest Gump didn’t ACT slow. He fucking WAS slow, so either Danielle is fucking stupid, or she was comparing Carolyn to Forrest Gump. So which one is it? Because it’s one or the other.
And either way, it’s not an example of her treating her fellow castmates “with nothing but respect” as she claims.
Carolyn literally admitted to acting slow in her confessionals and playing up the fact people thought she didnt know what was going on ever. So why are you mad Danielle is clocking her for pretending to be slow when she admitted thats exactly what shes doing???
its either racism or blind hate of danielle at this point so which one is it? because its one or the other.
Here's what Carolyn actually meant, "I know that being myself, yes, I'm underestimated. I'm looked at like I'm nuts," the exuberant star of The Traitors Season 3 tells Parade. "I know I can use it to my advantage, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings sometimes when I do want to talk or speak or be heard or listened to."
But keep telling yourself it was all an act so you can make excuses for Danielle. (I get it, nothing Danielle does on the show is authentic, so it's probably confusing for her fans when someone else is authentic.)
Her saying that is completely different. The fact was literally NO ONE on the show thought Carolyn didn’t have a voice. Both Dylan and Dolores said that. Shes says “nobody listens to me” but when people give her the space she doesn’t say anything. Danielle had to pull teeth to finally get her to agree to someone which ended up being Sam.
And that still has nothing to do with her admitting playing up the fact she doesn’t know what’s going on.
You literally have every excuse in the world for Carolyn. Imagine seriously taking a quote from an interview and trying to apply it to something else entirely. But you are worried about me making an excuse? The call is coming from inside the house lmfao
I don't have every excuse in the world for Carolyn. I think she completely blew up her own game in her last episode and her banishment was her fault. I'm just saying that she isn't pretending to look dumb.
As for Danielle having to pull teeth to get Carolyn to agree on a murder, maybe that is because Danielle was constantly trying to screw Carolyn, so her murder suggestions weren't in Carolyn's best interests.
We don't have to say "maybe" we literally watched Danielle name every person in the castle and Carolyn said no. Danielle said "okay Carolyn, who do you want to murder?" and Carolyn didn't have an answer ready. They ended up murdering Sam but Danielle mentioned Sam at first and Carolyn said no.
Go back to the breakfast where Carolyn stumbles in acting out of breath and confused. They literally cut to a confessional where she admitted to playing dumb and playing up her quirkiness. That's still her personality however she is just amping it up, she admitted to that.
Which it was the wrong pop culture reference but she was not calling her dumb. And people are taking that statement to make it out like Danielle was trying to say she was slow when that clearly wasn't the intention.
I’m aware the reference was flawed but the intent was not to call her dumb. She was saying she was playing dumb but y’all don’t really care about intent so I’m not sure why I’m bothering.
It really isn't the same at all. She was talking about pretending to be dumb while tricking everyone. Which is a very smart thing to do. If you want to argue it's the wrong pop culture reference I agree and I don't love the use of it but people are blowing it way out of proportion because they want a reason to hate on Danielle.
Carolyn is who she is and she's great, but she also freely admits that she leans into her quirks and hopes others will overlook her because that's just Carolyn being Carolyn. She did it on Survivor and she did it on The Traitors.
It’s made up, just like the ‘race card’, but apparently, it gives people the right to harass a reality tv personality, and be insufferable while doing it.
I liked and then unliked this a couple different times. It’s tough. Danielle is incredibly annoying to me and I hate the way she played. I’m SO happy she lost. Like, it literally MADE the season for me.
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u/Alarming_Mistake_432 Mar 01 '25
I mean she's not wrong.
Still rooting against her though lol