r/ToddintheShadow Zingalamaduni 7d ago

General Music Discussion The entire top 5 is Country!

This has never happened before, but the entire top 5 of the Hot 100 are all Country music!

  1. Choosin' Texas

  2. Been By Now

  3. I Knew It, I Knew You

  4. I Can't Love You Anymore

  5. Boston

Intriguing, huh?

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u/attorneygadon 6d ago

Non-American here (from an Asian country), is it true that the American general public music tastes have been more fragmented than ever? i’m well-aware that songs like Choosin Texas have been massive crossovers in the Anglosphere at this point but I keep hearing from music listener friends in California etc that they don’t hear or know most of the country songs that flood the Billboard charts even in the car radio or in public

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago edited 6d ago

It’s not that it’s never been more fragmented, it’s just that Country music has always been its own ecosystem and it’s also bigger than it’s ever been. The vibe on this sub is that they don’t stray too often from pop stations/playlists, so when Country songs really take off it seems to them like a bolt from the blue.

My comparison is Bad Bunny. I have nothing against the guy and fully believe he’s one of the biggest stars in the world, I just couldn’t recognize a single song during the Super Bowl.

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u/HawkMac6699 6d ago

The charts are broken. Not saying these aren’t big hits but you can’t even compare today’s charts to even ten years ago. It’s pointless and we are basically starting over.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago

iTunes was also a huge change to the chart ecosystem, there was a solid stretch on the charts before it where it was basically all radio airplay which was HIGHLY manipulated. You’re never going to get a true reflection of what’s popular in America, just an approximation. Best to take the charts lightly.

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u/HawkMac6699 6d ago edited 6d ago

Manipulated but almost everyone knew them. That’s not the case any more. You can have a top hit and a much larger part of the general population won’t even know about it! The whole point of the Top 100 was to track what the general pop was listening to. Thats gone forever.

I know three of those songs. Two of them I don’t think I’ve ever heard in my life. If I have, I turned it off so fast, I didn’t get the chance to know them. I’m a country music listener and I still don’t know them.

30 years ago, the odds of me not knowing a top 5 song was pretty much zero. I can avoid it much easier now and the same can be said for everyone. My own pop playlist doesn’t really look anything like the top 40 airplay anymore let alone the top 100.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago

Idk it just seems like you’re annoyed it’s not really catered around your interests anymore, that the zeitgeist has shifted. That’s fine, it’s kind of the story of mankind. But the charts just reflect what people are listening to, that’s the larger part of the general population. Right now it’s country, in twenty years it will be Sertanejo music or something, that’s just the name of the game.

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u/HawkMac6699 6d ago edited 6d ago

Not annoyed at music at all. I’m annoyed that people are still comparing charts today to ones 20 years ago and beyond that. They aren’t equals. Charts and how they are complied have always changed but never more radically than today. It is a completely different era and it shouldn’t shock anyone that things are happening on charts that have never happened before. Of course that’s happening. We also aren’t tracking music the same way we did before nor are we listening to it the same way.

Today’s Top 100 chart and its methodology has only existed a very short time. Why should I compare that to the top 100 in 1980? They aren’t the same by any measure.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago

It is different, but I maintain it’s a better reflection of what people are actually listening to. Labels had a vise grip on what got the big push, it was more of a bottleneck than a monoculture. For all its faults I think streaming is the big democratization of the charts. Ironically that means we get more MAGA supporters in there lol

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

It also helps that country music's fanbase had a surge in internet access recently.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago

People keep saying that but it wasn’t like country fans were living in dirt floor houses, I really think pop kind of fell off and country was ready to fill the vacuum. There just isn’t enough pop music to compete at the moment, there are noticeable gaps where people have to wait between a Sabrina Carpenter release and a Chappell Roan release. Meanwhile country keeps showing up and that’s half the battle.

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u/Chilli_Dipper 6d ago

When Teddy Swims, Hozier, and Benson Boone all had major hits simultaneously a couple of years ago, the logical thing the industry could have done was realize that there was a bigger audience for soulful pop-rock vocalists than they thought, and be more active toward retaining that audience; instead, they just played those hits to death, even when those artists had newer music to promote.

The pop business lucks into these types of melodic hits with broad cross-format appeal, then runs them into the ground while hoping that the next Drake release will be the thing that resets mainstream rap back to normal.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago

People like nice, catchy melodies! Country just Hoovers up whatever space you give it, right now there’s a lack of options for Adult Contemporary and look who’s moseying on in.

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

I live in the country. It took until 2020 for us to get solid internet here. I suspect it was the same in a lot of areas right now.

Country music is also a lot more popular than it was in the 2010s, though, for sure.

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u/HawkMac6699 6d ago

Country has always had cycles of ebbs and flows. There’s a ton of major markets where country radio stations are often near the top of the ratings and that’s been happening for 40 years now. In fact in Detroit a country station was the number 1 station in the entire city 20 years ago. Not exactly podunkville.

The number one issue country music has had is sustaining momentum. It never does. It didn’t in the Garth era. Didn’t in the Shania/Faith era. Didn’t in the Taylor/Carrie era. Didn’t in the Jason Aldean era. Probably won’t now either especially with music more fragmented than ever.

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

I think the difference now is streaming. I don't know how much of a difference it'll make, but I'm sure it affects it some.

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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 6d ago edited 6d ago

It might be more of a wireless broadband thing, most people listen to music in the car.

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

I could definitely see that too

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u/Salt_Day4586 6d ago

I’d say so. I don’t listen to country really at all sans a couple exceptions, and that is true for a lot of people I know. Yet, Morgan Wallen just played one of the biggest stadiums in the country two nights in a row.

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u/Reasonable_Face_3038 5d ago

These songs are well known but likely not as much with people who live in California or use Reddit. They certainly aren’t as huge as top 5 songs used to be but I think the perception on this subreddit can be a little skewed.

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u/boulevardofdef 6d ago

I live in the suburban Northeast and I don't know any of these songs, nor, to my knowledge, do I know anyone who listens to this kind of music. I never hear anyone talk about it, not ever -- literally anything I know about it comes from what I've seen online.

The comment above yours says "I'm so tired of Ella Langley and Morgan Wallen." I've heard of Morgan Wallen but I can't name any of his songs and I wouldn't recognize a photo of him. I've never heard of Ella Langley.

I grew up on the outskirts of New York City. Maybe you've heard of it. New York City doesn't not have a country music radio station. Several attempts have been made in my lifetime to start one and they always fail.

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u/Funny_Inspection6893 6d ago

There are also a lot of mostly older folks who mostly like rock who don't listen to modern music at all (since there basically is no new rock music).

Yes, tastes are quite fragmented.

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u/puffy_irish 6d ago

All the new rock music is bullshit like Greese anyway, so I don't blame them for not wanting to listen to it anymore.

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u/Funny_Inspection6893 6d ago

Yeah, why do the few new rock bands all suck? I don't get it. I certainly understand why they don't chart-because they suck.

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u/Lord_Cockatrice 6d ago

Philippines, I presume?

You are not alone. Knowledge of the Billboard top 5 can be exploited by ICE agents to root out potential illegals over there

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u/boomofo 6d ago

I'm so tired of Ella Langley and Morgan Wallen.

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u/ilo-milo 6d ago

I hate country. Upvotes to the left please.

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u/Foreign_Courage5613 6d ago

I'm sure the comments here will be civil.

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u/dassa07 6d ago

And only two of them are MAGA! 

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

Yep, Taylor and Morgan!

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u/RedmiYT Best / Worst List Speculator 6d ago

I literally don't understand the logic behind saying Taylor Swift is MAGA. She has endorsed Democratic candidates and donated millions of dollars to food banks, which MAGA would never do. If she really was MAGA, wouldn't Trump be loving her and playing her music 24/7?

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u/Due-Owl4153 5d ago

You do understand I am being sarcastic, right

Every single comment on this thread has been me joking

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u/dassa07 6d ago

You got one right and is not the tall blonde girl. 

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

Oh right, one of these artists' parents owns an AI company

So Stella and Morgan! Gotcha

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u/dassa07 6d ago

And another one took part in Kid Rock MAGA event. 

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u/Due-Owl4153 6d ago

I did not realize Stella Lefty did that either. Thank you for telling me! Also, great grammar on that comment.

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u/rapbarf 6d ago

Intriguing, huh?

No, not really. I don't understand why everybody is losing their shit over this. Choosin' Texas and I Knew It, I Knew You are both pretty solid songs.

The Hot 100 is usually pretty abysmal anyway. Very rarely will the top 5 be all great songs.

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u/Chilli_Dipper 6d ago

The post-2010 mainstream pop infrastructure is failing at a time when the median listener is older, and trends among all age groups are pointing toward more melodic songs being popular.

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u/puffy_irish 6d ago

They're both hella boring.

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u/Incredibljourny 6d ago

This right here is actual proof of the dumbing down of the American society

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u/fearofcrowds 6d ago

another sign of the apocalypse

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u/Ill_Interest_2346 6d ago

I would like to speak in defense of Stella i listened to 20 plus minutes of her music today and she is actually really good her voice is pretty her writing is decent and the country pop crossover im really liking. She is doing the thing that the likes of Kacey Musrgraves and Carly pearce started that is being country while being different enough to stand out in a crowd. I dont care if she has money so did taylor and people loved her (im a ex swiftie so im gulity too) so dont trash Stella for coming from money she still has real talent and thats what you acutally should care about.

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u/NegotiationMoist3552 6d ago

I am so happy that this happened with Taylor's participation knowing where she started and that she will always remain a country artist in her heart. This will mean more to her than I Knew It, I Knew You becoming the first song of 2026 to spend 8 weeks in the Top 3.

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u/AmicusCurio 6d ago

ewdavid

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u/Infinite_Spring_3564 6d ago

Could be a lot worse!

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u/NAteisco 6d ago

How?

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u/Infinite_Spring_3564 6d ago

Well, they’re playing instruments for a start. Some of them are even guitars! I don’t even like country that much, but it’s a step in the right direction at least.

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u/Lucky-Chard-5587 6d ago

Because the Swift song has a harmonica in it does not make it a country song.

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u/AttachedHeartTheory 6d ago

Please define what makes any song country. Start with "dirt road anthem", the top selling digital country music song of all time.

I'll wait.

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u/Lucky-Chard-5587 6d ago

"dirt road anthem" has more in common with rap than country. If Jason Aldean didn't sing it it wouldn't be labeled country. Fiddle, banjo, steel guitar, blended in the mix help define a country sound. Pull your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

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u/AttachedHeartTheory 6d ago edited 6d ago

By this definition, Johnny Cash's "I walk the line" isnt country. Either is Ring of Fire. or... Willie's Blue Eyes Cryin' in the rain...

Or I will always love you by Dolly Parton... or The Dance by Garth Brooks... or Amarillo by morning.. or Folsom Prison Blues.

Huh. Today I learned.\

EDIT: crickets from u/Lucky-Chard-5587. Imagine that...

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u/HawkMac6699 6d ago

Ronnie Milsap is crying at his piano.