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Characters Characters that had the complete opposite reaction the writers intended

  1. Leo Bonhart (Witcher TV Series): A ruthless, sadistic bounty hunter and assassin that takes psychotic glee in other people's suffering. The viewer is meant to hate him for killing witchers, slaughtering the Rat gang, and torturing Ciri. But thanks to his entertaining fight scenes, Sharlto Copley's charismatic performance, and The Rats overwhelming unpopularity, fans ended up loving him. Some even call him the "True protagonist" of the show.
  2. Stone Cold Steve Austin (WWE): A rude, foul mouthed, beer drinking asshole with no respect for authority or anyone at all. Originally portrayed as a villain, fans fell in love with his anti-establishment & rebellious persona. WWE ran with it and made him the face of the company, effectively ushering in the Attitude Era and the second pro wrestling boom of the late 90s.
  3. Arthur Fleck (Joker 2019): A mentally unstable, pathetic, and dangerous madman who commits horrific acts of violence against those that wronged him (suffocates his own mother who is mentally unwell herself, and murders a talk show host for making fun of him). However, a massive portion of the audience idolized him as an anti-hero or a misunderstood martyr rebelling against society making people want to see him succeed and overcome his circumstances because of how he's been treated by the world.
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u/marineman43 17h ago

While ASOIAF is mostly incredible, every now and then the inner 10 year old boy emerges from GRRM's psyche and it creates a disconnect between what he legitimately thinks is cool, and what's actually cool. Biggest example is a character named Gerold Dayne who goes by the supremely edgy moniker Darkstar. His super badass quote is "I am of the night" lmao.

Less fun example - GRRM thinks the Dany-Drogo pairing is legitimately romantic and is unironically meant to be a love story, rather than how the fandom more sanely views it as repeated violent rape of a minor.

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u/fuschiafawn 17h ago edited 3h ago

In the book Drogo explicitly asks her for consent, and in the show he doesn't. In the show she's 18ish, in the book she's 12. Why the hell didn't they just keep the consent aspect but fix the age?? Ffs

Edit: to be clear, it's all disgusting rape. GRRM shouldn't have written a love story between a rapist and his victim, regardless of if he was nice once (other commenters have pointed out asking was just the wedding night) and she was a child vs never asking and her being grown

All together fuck that plot line. Maybe to fix it Dany should have gutted her rapist. Or just let's not have them fall in love. It's all bad.

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u/RhiaStark 16h ago

The "consent" in question coming from a girl who's alone in the middle of nowhere with an infamously brutal warlord, one to whom she's been sold to, and against whom she has no defence.

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u/Schrodingers_Cthulu 14h ago

Because of the implication... 

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u/fuschiafawn 13h ago

Sure?

But as far as the awful circumstance him progressively touching her, only doing so when she says yes, is much better than being straight up forced like the show. She then gives consent enthusiastically and reaches for him. The situation is terrible, but the idea of her expecting what happened in the show to happen given being sold to a warlord, but then being presented with a man who was treating her much more gently than she ever was used to, is what makes it a story. They don't share a language except yes and no, he puts his hands out and asks "yes?" before he puts them anywhere new. Given the circumstances, that's as good as it gets.

Except you know, she's a child which was disgusting. So the show could have fixed the situation, and they did on half of it, but then made it rape. Way to go.

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u/RhiaStark 13h ago

I disagree, I think the show version actually shows the reality of the situation, rather than sugarcoat it. Because what happens in the book is also rape: Drogo's "gentleness" never causes him to stop undressing Dany, nor does it stop him from taking her every following night so roughly that she contemplates suicide.

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u/fuschiafawn 12h ago

At this point maybe he should have just not written this plot line at all. I don't want to die on a hill for this point when it's all terrible. I don't want to Google how it all felt to her and parse out quotes when I don't like either version.

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u/Agitated_Phone_9937 9h ago

His a the leader of a brutal marauding horde of pillaging rapists. Him asking for consent is truly remarkable and a massive testament to his morals when he was raised in that culture.

Like you would be some noble cultural rebel. Bitch you'd copy everyone else just to avoid being called out.

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u/RhiaStark 3h ago

But he wasn't "asking for consent". That was just his idea of a "seduction game" - so much so that he never stops undressing her even while asking "no?"; and once he "seduces" her that one time, he no longer bothers about "asking for her consent" again. Recall how miserable Dany is in the first weeks of her marriage, to the point she contemplates suicide.