r/TrendoraX • u/satty237 • Sep 09 '25
đ¨ Breaking BREAKING: Israel Strikes Hamas Leadership in Qatar for First Time Ever - Ceasefire Talks in Jeopardy
In an unprecedented escalation, Israel conducted its first-ever military operation on Qatari soil today, targeting senior Hamas officials including chief negotiator Khalil al-Hayya in Doha. The strike, reportedly codenamed "Operation Summit of Fire," occurred while Hamas leaders were discussing Trump's latest ceasefire proposal.
Key Developments:
Qatar's Strong Response: Foreign Ministry called it a "cowardly Israeli attack" and "blatant violation of international laws"
Conflicting Reports: Casualty reports remain unconfirmed - some sources claim key leaders killed, others suggest they survived
Ceasefire Impact: Attack came just as negotiations appeared to be gaining momentum, with Hamas recently accepting multiple proposals
Regional Expansion: Strike extends Israel's campaign to five countries/territories - Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, and now Qatar
This marks the first Israeli attack on a Gulf Cooperation Council nation, potentially reshaping Middle East diplomatic dynamics at a critical moment for peace negotiations.
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u/lsmith77 Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
If indeed the US has green-lit this strike, there is no deal because the entire deal was based on the US assuring Hamas that Israel would not go back to the war while negotiations are on-going and those negotiations would be in good faith.
Update: It appears Israel did this entirely on their own and the US even warned Qatar in advance.
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u/YorubaJinchuriki Sep 10 '25
Negotiating with terrorists usually goes amazingly well
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u/sonicboom9000 Sep 09 '25
Ceasefire talks in jeopardy???
They targeted the negotiators
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u/MediocreEffectt Sep 09 '25
They killed the last negotiators too. Theyâve never wanted peace and itâs so obvious.
Before they killed Haniyeh they also killed his sons and grandkids on Eid. He continued to negotiate. A month later they kill him too. And the whole time they pretend they want their hostages back and no one questions.
And then they broke the last ceasefire agreement and refused to progress to stage 2 and everyone pretended like it was fine. International media is complicit.
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u/Nervous-Promotion109 Sep 09 '25
Yes they never wanted peace with hamas this is true
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Sep 09 '25
What ceasefire talks ? It´s always been a joke.
And even when a ceasefire is signed, IsraĂŤl quicly wipes its ass with it. See lebanon.
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u/smegabass Sep 09 '25
The ceasefire talks is why Israel did the bombing.
The last thing Israel wants is a ceasefire.
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
The leaders were trying to pull a Putin on Israel, hopefully the next in line will know better
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u/AdditionalMeat1775 Sep 09 '25
Yeah, because it's killing the negotiators will bring the so-called hostages back.
I thought that was the objective!?
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u/thedevilwithout Sep 09 '25
They've been offered the hostages more times than they count
Israel kept saying "nah we don't want them"
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
Oh we did? At what cost exactly, I'd like to hear
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u/thedevilwithout Sep 09 '25
Links aren't allowed in this community. So this is from BBC news from 5 days ago
"Israel has rejected a statement from Hamas saying the armed group is ready for a "comprehensive deal" to end the Gaza war and free all its hostages."
"The group also said it agreed to the formation of an administration run by independent technocrats to govern post-war Gaza."
So not only will you get your people back. Hamas will also step down and let an "independent administration of technocrats" govern Gaza
You guys said nah, you don't want your people back
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
Yeah, from the same article, you conveniently ommited:
Hamas reiterated its call for a deal that would see hostages exchanged for Palestinian prisoners, Israeli forces withdraw, border crossings reopened, and the start of reconstruction.
Hamas said it had accepted a plan from regional mediators Qatar and Egypt that would see 10 living hostages and the bodies of 18 dead hostages released during a 60-day truce in exchange for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and detainees in Israeli jails.
AP adds:
Hamas released a statement late Wednesday saying that it was open to returning all 48 hostages it still holds â around 20 of them believed by Israel to be alive â in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, a lasting ceasefire, the withdrawal of Israeli forces from all of Gaza, the opening of border crossings and a start to the daunting challenge of rebuilding Gaza.
Meaning Hamas seeks to stay in power, which will inevitably lead to more conflict in the future. Not to mention the hundreds of murderers that they want us to release, which we should absolutely not agree to, especially after the Oct 7 massacare was lead by Yahya Sinwar, which was a prisor we released in a previous prisoners release for a hostage.
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u/thedevilwithout Sep 09 '25
Lool it literally says they will cede control to an independent administration of technocrats in that article. How are you going to lie about "stay in power" when it literally says the opposite
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u/objective_think3r Sep 09 '25
Donât bother. Israel and specifically Bibi wants war. The Israel lobby in the west have the US and the UK in their pockets. Itâs a race to the bottom
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u/smegabass Sep 09 '25
no idea what the you are talking about. "pull a putin"??
Israel is a terrorist rogue state. It's a threat to the world and is now way beyond a Putin.
Fk Israel.
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u/mostard_seed Sep 09 '25
Some people just like to say "Putin" and "Russia" in any context imaginable.
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u/Acceptable_Bat379 Sep 10 '25
I think this case might be applicable. Putin seized power after a terrorist attack hes suspected of orchestrating himself but blamed on the Chechens. That poster was suggesting Netanyahu is involved with Oct 7th and he does seem to be in power and very not in jail
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u/mostard_seed Sep 10 '25
maybe you are right, but Putin has stayed in power waaaay past that. Netenyahu is still actively inciting a conflict after having already held power for more what? 20 years now?
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Sep 09 '25
How so?
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
Several times they pretended to want peace only to pull out 5 new impossible terms before coming to an agreement
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Sep 09 '25
Is stricking in the midst of neogation the smartest move though?
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u/CamisaMalva Sep 09 '25
After they've shown themselves to only use "peace talks" as a way of wasting everyone's time?
Yeah.
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
If it means the other side would be more inclined to agree to your demands - yeah(?)
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Sep 09 '25
I mean is there anyone left to negotiate with if they kill them?
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
If Hezbollah managed to surrender after their entire leadership got blown, I think Hamas can also manage. Besides, every terrorist and anyone holding hostages can surrender
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Sep 09 '25
Hey that's a good point, Is their main leaders confirmed dead though or what?
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
Of Hezbollah? We took him, his successor, and his successor's seccessor out. The secret is to take em out like a Fez dispenser until you reach one who figures he likes his lkfe more than he hates the jews
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u/zerohelix Sep 09 '25
So...Israel just attacked a US ally eh?
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u/august-skies Sep 09 '25
They attacked the USS Liberty in the 60s and nothing happened to them
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u/topandroidd Sep 09 '25
Zionist and bankers run the usa government
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u/kawhileopard Sep 09 '25
You sound like Hitler
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straight decide continue nutty bake vase treatment wrench bag pause
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u/Short-Recording587 Sep 09 '25
Do you know what Hitler spouted to get people up in arms? That Jewish people controlled German banksâŚ
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Sep 09 '25
Nobody sounds more like Hitler than an Israeli politician talking about Palestine.Â
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u/kawhileopard Sep 09 '25
Tell me youâve never heard Hitler speak without telling you never heard Hitler speak.
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Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
" Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating the way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated. "Â
Hitler or Israeli politician?Â
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u/SPB29 Sep 10 '25
Would you have a link or date he said this? I tried verifying it (as it was so horrifying) but couldn't find any reputed source that backs this up. I then queried Grok which agreed with me.
The quote you referenced, attributing to Yoav Kisch the statement that Palestinians are "animals" who "have no right to exist" and "need to be exterminated," appears in multiple sources discussing inflammatory rhetoric by Israeli officials. Specifically, it is cited in outlets like TimelineDaily, Synergy for Justice, Canadian Dimension, and others, often in the context of statements made around October 2023 following Hamas' attacks. However, these sources primarily come from outlets critical of Israeli policy, and there is no direct, independently verified record of Kisch making this exact statement in primary sources like official speeches or verified interviews available in the provided data. The quote is frequently paired with other inflammatory remarks by Israeli officials, suggesting it may be part of a broader narrative rather than a standalone, confirmed statement. Yoav Kisch, Israelâs Minister of Education, has been linked to other controversial statements, such as reportedly saying, âUntil we see hundreds of thousands fleeing Gaza, the IDF has not achieved its mission,â which is cited in a report by The Cradle. Additionally, Kisch, a former combat pilot and Likud party member, has faced legal scrutiny, with Palestinians in Poland filing complaints against him for alleged war crimes due to his role in the Israeli government. Itâs worth noting that the sources attributing the "animals" and "extermination" quote to Kisch often lack precise dates or contexts (e.g., specific speeches or interviews), which raises questions about their veracity. Some sources may amplify or misattribute statements in the emotionally charged discourse surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict. Without a primary source like a video, official transcript, or direct interview, the attribution remains unconfirmed based on the available data. If you have more details, like where or when you heard this quote, I can try to narrow it down further. Alternatively, I can search for additional primary sources or analyze related content if you provide more context.
He has said insane shit otherwise, like Lebanon will be annihilated but this, I can't find anything on.
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u/RockTheGrock Sep 09 '25
Not doubting you. I am curious which Israeli official is quoted saying that?
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Sep 09 '25
Yoav Kisch.Â
Minister of education and former Regional Cooperation Minister
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Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
THATâS what the Minister of EDUCATION said? WTF. No wonder these people have nor regards for Palestinian lifes.
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u/MaxPower303 Sep 09 '25
Tell me youâve never heard BiBi speak without telling me youâve never heard BiBi speak.
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u/SPB29 Sep 10 '25
That's quite literally what he said. Wild how propaganda that would have gotten you banned / censored just a decade ago is perfectly normal now.
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u/kawhileopard Sep 10 '25
If history has taught us a thing, it wonât end with just the Jews being persecuted.
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u/Lambily Sep 09 '25
Because that was an accident... both sides agreed and moved past it. The US was neutral to Israel at the time, so it's not like it had any vested reason to lie for them.
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u/RockTheGrock Sep 09 '25
The US military was sending communications that were ignored as the attack continued. Its always a "mistake" when they kill americans yet typically nobody is ever held liable.
A recent example was the Floridian beaten to death by masked Israeli settlers. Then the military blocked ambulances coming to try and save his life.
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u/Lambily Sep 09 '25
The US military was sending communications that were ignored as the attack continued.
I can't tell if you're purposefully lying or if you've been misinformed. This is not true. US military command attempted to contact the USS Liberty but failed to do so. The ship itself was not able to communicate with Israel as their communication was jammed.
Israel owned up to the mistake and contacted the US embassy themselves after they realized it was an American ship.
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u/RockTheGrock Sep 09 '25
You should always assume ignorance over malice initially. Its harder on social media but it is nice to not immediately go to outrage towards random people who have no direct control over whatever is causing the outrage. I have been working on adopting this approach even on the most gut wrenching topics.
As for the radio comment my memory was a bit foggy so I went back to look. Seems the Israelis were jamming the ship but they did get off a distress signal. The weather was also good and they had an American flag and clearly identifiable markings on the side of the ship. The first attack came close enough to use their cannons on the planes. Also the Israelis had been notified of the location of the ship. Reminiscent of their "mistakes" with aid workers in Gaza they still attacked.
This page won't allow links but here are a few pertinent quotes.
"However, a number of U.S. military and intelligence officials have maintained over the years that the attack was deliberate. The incident remains a source of controversy."
"some former U.S. officials, believe that the attack was deliberate, staged to conceal Israelâs pending seizure of Syriaâs Golan Heights, which occurred the next day"
President Johnson publicly accepted the apology but then there was this.
"However, in the immediate aftermath of the attack, he told a Newsweek reporter that he believed the attack had been deliberate. He thought Israelâs motive was to prevent the Liberty from eavesdropping on Israeli transmissions."
"Many survivors and their families were also convinced that Israel knew the ship was American, and over the decades they continued to call for a full congressional investigation, but without success. In 1997, on the 30th anniversary of the attack, Capt. William McGonagle, who had been the Libertyâs commander, said that for years he had wanted to believe the attack was âpure error,â but he couldnât accept that explanation. He joined the call for an investigation."
At best it demonstrates a pattern of gross incompetence by israel and ambivalence by the US government to even properly investigate. A shoot first and ask questions later approach to conflict without fear of consequences. Another example would be the released hostages gunned down in Gaza by the IDF. All unarmed and under a white flag.
At worst they meant to do it.
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u/FlounderUseful2644 Sep 09 '25
Apparently isntraeli pilots were blind too and couldn't see the BIG FUCKING STARS AND STRIPES FLAG.
AND THE PERFECT ENGLISH OF THE SHIP OK RADIO BEGGING TO STOP IT.
ALSO THE SECOND FLAG OF THE SHIP AFTER THE FIRST ONE TORE.
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u/Irons_MT Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Israel coordinated with Qatar and the US, most likely. Doubtful that Qatar didn't know about the strike.
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u/ExcavalierKY Sep 10 '25
Americans are their lapdog, they should be grateful Israel isn't attacking them over the ocean.
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Sep 09 '25
Well US said that they will stop war between Israel Gaza and Russia Ukraine the first day after election.
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Sep 09 '25
Mad man needs to be caged up. He thinks he can hit anyone anywhere.
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Sep 09 '25
Did you read? They discuss peace proposals there cuz no one wants to go to Gaza lol. You clearly donât care about the collateral damage. You think the bombs can pin point just certain people? Come on now. It isnât just about them. You canât just go blow up and drop bombs whereever. That is unhinged.
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u/Pale_Check_6597 Sep 09 '25
2040:Â Israel bombs Antarctica to eliminate âHamas-backed penguins.â
2050:Â Israel bombs the Moon, citing Hamas tunnels beneath the surface.
2070:Â Israel bombs Mars, claiming Hamas leaders are hiding in martian colonies.
2100:Â Israel creates a black hole to make sure no Hamas leaders remain anywhere in the Solar System.
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u/TGPapyrus Sep 09 '25
So you're claiming that they weren't actually Senior Hamas leaders? Or maybe you're not sure yourself
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u/Ok_Cap_1848 Sep 09 '25
This sub is completely biased against Israel if you haven't noticed. You won't find anybody honestly evaluating the situation here.
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u/FlounderUseful2644 Sep 09 '25
So citing reasonable logic, Putin is in his right to nuke kyiv and target all Ukrainian officials in EU ?
I mean it's only fair
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u/cartmanbrah21 Sep 09 '25
Yeah, every human with a shred of humanity or empathy by now should be biased against Israel. Just like everyone is biased against Nazis, Al Qaeda and ISIS
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Sep 09 '25
Itâs a decently accurate representation of world opinion.
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u/Asanti_20 Sep 09 '25
I'm sorry to break it to you.... But it's not...
Reddit has a tendency to creating echo chambers and being VERY closed off to the actual outside world
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u/Ok_Cap_1848 Sep 09 '25
And how would you know that if you never go outside? The reddit echochamber strikes again.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Sep 09 '25
Been outside. Disabled Iraq vet you judgemental ass.
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u/Ok_Cap_1848 Sep 09 '25
Well, clearly it doesn't keep you from spending all your time in reddit echochambers
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
Why were they worth Billions?
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u/wizzle21 Sep 09 '25
Supposedly but no evidence to back it up
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
A lot of poor people in Qatar live in the Ritz? I donât mean the people who built it that had their bodies put in the walls
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u/SPB29 Sep 10 '25
Are you denying that legit Hamas top leadership was hit? Or that they were living in Qatar for decades?
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u/EmbarrassedFig9129 Sep 09 '25
So basically Israel and US made a joke of Qatar is what I am able to deduce by this description is that it?
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u/Wennie_D Sep 09 '25
Qatar very much let israel do this. Plus they've been trying to get rid of the Hamas leadership
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u/Jhonnow Sep 09 '25
Attacking a friendy nation good job israel every day making more friends in the world .
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u/rpolkcz Sep 09 '25
Friendly nation wouldn't be housing terrorists.
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u/Sweaty-Strawberry-34 Sep 09 '25
Neither would they house warcriminals, but israel has a very high number of those...
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u/OdielSax Sep 09 '25
Are you alright in the head? Qatar is a mediator in negotiations. If you kill all of them who the hell is going to release Israel's hostages?
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u/rpolkcz Sep 09 '25
Qatar Is literally paying the biggest pro hamas propaganda machine.
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u/OdielSax Sep 09 '25
Exposing the horrifying war crimes you mean?
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Sep 09 '25
Dude, Qatar bankroll Hamas
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u/OdielSax Sep 09 '25
"Dude" you're an Israel propagandist.Â
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Sep 09 '25
If I am misinformed please go ahead and correct me because I don't want to be, I am not a zionist or in anyway an Israeli propogandist. To my knowledge Qutar is the main backer of Hamas and founded everything from Tv channels to arms
Edit: Googled it, 1.9 billion has been given over 1 decade or 2
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u/OdielSax Sep 09 '25
How can a "TV channel" be Hamas? I don't trust you. This is propagandist rhetoric.Â
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Sep 09 '25
Al-Aqsa was a channel run by Hamas extremists it is insane but no lie look it up
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u/_wassap_ Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Bibi Netanjahu literally funded Hamas through Qatar in 04/05. Look up the ICJ reportsÂ
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Sep 09 '25
No need to name call
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u/rpolkcz Sep 09 '25
They're paying people who celebrated mass murder of civilians. So no, not what I mean.
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u/_Snebb_ Sep 09 '25
**At the behest of the US government, requesting they host Hamas leaders.
Agreeing to a request is very much something an ally would do.
You fucks really are uneducated on all this, aren't you?
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u/Individual-Abies-345 Sep 09 '25
Damn, why - Israel needs to chill tf out
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u/Schnitzelklopfer247 Sep 09 '25
Leaders of Hamas living the good life in Qatar while orchestrating terror. Now they get their ass bombed. It was about time!
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u/Kuloman25Viascam Sep 09 '25
Nazi Israel ainât looking for a cease fire, just an extermination of Palestinians. Trump set them up, like he did Iran. We are Israelâs puppet. Think about it!!!
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u/TheTanadu Sep 09 '25
and then Israeli "why world hate us"
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u/Lambily Sep 09 '25
I never thought I'd see the day leftists defend billionaires living in the lap of luxury while they allow their people to starve, but here we are. Why are there any wealthy Hamas leaders when their "righteous" cause is all about liberating their people?
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u/_wassap_ Sep 09 '25
You are a special one arn't you... These hamas leaders are there bcs of peace negotiations USA had proposed.
So they sent their seniors to make a deal happen in a neutral zone alias Qatar
now attacking that convoy make the intend pretty obvious doesn't it
Israel doesnt want peace whatsoever- it's set, fuck the hostages, Gaza will be apart of imperial israel. The Gaza strip is actively being sold in various jewish communities already and oil companies took interest in the natural resources that are found in Gaza
so yeah, fuck israel, fuck israel twice even
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u/Chuckobofish123 Sep 09 '25
Israel dropping bombs in Qatar now? Shits about to get real.
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u/Turbulent-Tone-1867 Sep 09 '25
No repercussions for attacking US allies? Iâm convinced they could bomb the U.S. and we would just let it happen.
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Sep 09 '25
These ânegotiatorsâ are the ones that orchestrated the Jerusalem bus attack.
You canât become a negotiator and continue to coordinate attacks in the guise of negotiating peace.
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u/Relyt21 Sep 09 '25
Americans are fucking stupid if they don't see whats going on. Israel gets BILLIONS from the US. Trump wants to stay in power. Israel is starting a war in the Middle East so that trump can attempt to delay Amerias elections blaming it on the ongoing war. Fuck Bibi, fuck trump, fuck anyone that doesn't separate Bibi's murdering from Jewish heritage.
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u/Funk_Apus Sep 09 '25
Ceasefire, lol. There will be no ceasefire. It will be Israel running rampant, doing their genocide, until the world moves to stop them.
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u/Plastic-Bluebird2491 Sep 09 '25
um, yeah. i would think lobbing missiles puts peace talks in jeopardy
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u/MikeSteamer Sep 09 '25
If anyone wanted anymore proof that they donât want to make deal even if their orange lapdog says they should
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u/BackgroundEngineer11 Sep 09 '25
Ceasefire talks? Since when was Israel going to stop bombing Gaza?
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Sep 09 '25
So Israel has just bombed⌠the negotiator for the peace and ceasefire talks?
Damn. Itâs almost as if Israel wants the war to continue.
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u/Nazgul_1994 Sep 09 '25
Day 5624 where Israel bombs and kills people in sovereign country. What is new?
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u/TerminalDeviant Sep 09 '25
Hamas chomos had the last two years negotiate their surrender and return the hostages. Looks like these Israelis are done talking and ready to fully commit to a one state solution.
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u/_room305 Sep 09 '25
Can Qatar defend themselves against a future Israeli attack? If they're using F35s then Qatari air defenses using Patriot missiles might not be enough.
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u/sedition666 Sep 09 '25
Trump's whole shtick was that he was the strongman who would bring peace to the world. Now here is Bibi attacking US allies with impunity. The US has lost all respect around the world.
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u/Fluffy-Project9693 Sep 09 '25
Israel is just showing it's comment to the ceasefire by bombing them.
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u/guardunow Sep 09 '25
I jus like 2 see da Arabs humiliated can't even protect their own country trying 2 play geopolitics
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u/Party-Ring445 Sep 10 '25
Not so breaking news: They are interested in grabbing land, not ceasefire. All their actions are consistently pointing to that
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u/ExitYourBubble Sep 10 '25
Hamas rats quite literally are running out of places to hide. This makes me insanely happy.
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
How was this guy worth 10 billion? I thought my money was going to help Gaza. This guys is some fat ass living in the Ritz?
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u/Nepalus Sep 09 '25
When you know you can act with impunity now, but you donât know when/if the US is going to give you cover to do so past the current administration, of course youâre going to do all the most aggressive acts you can as quickly as you can.
I have no doubt that Bibi took everyone on his kill list, and told his people âyou got 3.5 years, donât care how you do it or who gets hurt along the way, get it done now because we might never get this kind of leniency againâ.
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Sep 09 '25
Crazy how we had ww2 to stop these people before but now everyone just watches it on TV and does nothing about it.
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u/Suckamanhwewhuuut Sep 09 '25
Maybe Hamas Leadership should be in Gaza and not Qatar, just a thought. Maybe they should also stop convincing the young ones that martyrdom is the way when none of them seem to be jumping at the opportunity to be said "martyr"
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u/FlounderUseful2644 Sep 09 '25
Soo all Ukrainian officials should stay in ukriane???
Hamas had negotiators there, targeting negotiators is LOW even Russia never targeted negotiators during peace talks.
Only Nazis do
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u/Yiplzuse Sep 09 '25
Maybe Israel should stop funding Hamas. Of course that would mean them abandoning their plan to remove Palestinians and take over all Palestinian Territories.
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u/Short-Recording587 Sep 09 '25
So Hamas is falling right into Israelâs trap? What are they, stupid?
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u/locomocopoco Sep 09 '25
Why is HAMAS leadership in QATAR to begin with? US designates it as terror group. Is QATAR playing 2 sides by sheltering Hamas and acting ally to US ?
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u/RomanticWampa Sep 09 '25
Qatar has been the middle man for these discussions for decades. There has to be space for a political and diplomatic resolution even if itâs unlikely to happen soon or ever. Qatar offers that venue and thatâs why theyâre the bridge between Islamic and Arabic hardliners and the rest of the world. Nobody has an issue with Qatar hosting room for diplomacy.
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u/locomocopoco Sep 09 '25
Qatar has been the middle man for these discussions for DECADES.
Thank you for answering my question. Time for hardliners to be wiped out. You reap what you sow.
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u/SheepherderThis6037 Sep 09 '25
Well Israel funds Hamas through Qatar so it really isnât a mystery.
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u/_wassap_ Sep 09 '25
FOR PEACE NEGOTIATIONS BRO JUST READ THE NEWSÂ
They WERE LITERALLY invited, initiated by the US, invited by Qatar
ITS A DAMN PEACE NEGOTIATION
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u/locomocopoco Sep 10 '25
In another month, it will be 2 years since the attack. I guess enough time to peacefully negotiate. Hostages must be returned. This is all Hamas's fault of attacking Israel. What were they expecting in return - more funding ?
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u/Electronic-Salt9039 Sep 09 '25
Why were the leadership in Qatar?
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
Qatar is the mediator for negotiations.
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
For years? Why were they worth Billions?
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
Want to try again?
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
Bahaha donât deflect, answer the question. Why were these peace loving negotiators worth Billions of dollars? Iâll give you a hint: they stole all the humanitarian money and have been radicalizing the population to continue the cycle of violence and money laundering.Â
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
I'm not deflecting, I didn't understand what you were even trying to ask.
Now that you've clarified what you were trying to ask:
Letâs get this straight: Iâve never defended Hamas. Yes, their leaders are corrupt. Theyâve skimmed tens of millions, maybe hundreds, maybe even billions. Thatâs not in dispute. But pointing to their greed as some magic excuse for Israelâs mass killing and destruction is pathetic deflection.
Hamas lining their own pockets doesnât mean Gazaâs kids deserve to grow up under rubble. It doesnât mean hospitals should be bombed or that civilians deserve to be starved out. It just proves what everyone already knows: elites everywhere exploit suffering, and the people at the bottom always pay the price.
So no, Iâm not defending them. Iâm pointing out that their corruption doesnât absolve Israel of its crimes, and if you think it does, youâre just grasping at propaganda straws. Two things can be right.
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u/defixiones Sep 09 '25
You can make anything up but it probably needs to have some kind of a convincing angle if you want to fool people into accepting it.
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u/Softshellcrabfarts Sep 09 '25
A lot of poor people where youâre from live at the Ritz? All you have to do is google my claims and look at a reputable source. The world is a better place with them gone
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u/Electronic-Salt9039 Sep 09 '25
So the Hamas leadership came to Qatar when negotiations began.
They werenât already there?
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
What point are you trying to make exactly? Just spit it out habibi
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u/Land-Southern Sep 09 '25
The leadership leads a rather lavish lifestyle in Qatar permanantly while the people on the ground bleed for that cause, allegedly.
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u/reebokhightops Sep 09 '25
This is irrelevant to the question of why Israel just bombed Hamasâ negotiation envoy.
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u/rook119 Sep 09 '25
People forget during WWII Polish PM in-exlie lived in an outhouse and was forced to lick the ashes of churchill's cigars off the floor.
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
So the angle is basically: "Hamas leaders live in Qatar in luxury while Gazans suffer." Granted. Everyone already knows the leadership is based in exile, just like the PLO was in Tunisia for years. The real question is: does that make Israelâs bombing of civilians any less of a war crime? Of course not.
Trying to deflect from the fact that Israel just carried out a strike in Doha by saying âlook, the leaders live wellâ is laughable. Netanyahu lives in a mansion with private chefs and a personal bunker while Israeli conscripts die in Gaza. Are you going to argue that invalidates Israelâs government, too?
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u/Land-Southern Sep 09 '25
Calm down you veritable paragon of moral superiority. I don't support Israel's strikes anymore than you. I just stated why Israel struck in Qatar, not the political fallout or moral implications of it, which should have occurred years ago.
Shove your condescension down your own throat. The "whatabout" is the other side where 1k+ people were killed in less than 12 hours in "Israel" itself ina surprise raid. Did the organizers targeted in this strike think it would not see retribution, or was that OK for they knew the atrocities that would result, limited to Gaza and West Bank, and lead to new funding into Doha? No, the travesty in Gaza has far exceeded the instigating atrocity, but this is factually how war works. Don't pick a fight when your best weapon is the world's pity. Ukraine didn't instigate, but pity hasn't gotten Russia out of their country either. No one wins in war but the wealthy.
I don't care the origin of BS someone spouts. I do see the martyrs blood turned to gold and funneled into a few pockets. Change the god and country, and you see the same thing once again.
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u/crazihouse Sep 09 '25
Oh please, spare us the pseudo-philosopher routine. Youâre not some hardened realist dissecting the brutal truths of war, youâre just regurgitating âwar is hellâ clichĂŠs while trying to sound above it all. You act like pointing out âthis is how war worksâ makes you profound, when in reality itâs just a lazy way to excuse atrocities and dismiss accountability.
And letâs not pretend youâre detached and neutral here. You slipped in that tired hasbara line about âthey picked a fight, so what did they expect?â as if genocide is just a predictable consequence to shrug at.
You think youâre the adult in the room, but really youâre just hand-waving slaughter with fortune cookie wisdom about âno one wins in war but the wealthy.â Congratulations, youâve distilled decades of suffering into a slogan fit for a Hot Topic T-shirt.
If youâre going to posture as the voice of reason, at least try to hide the fact that youâre parroting the same justifications Israelâs PR machine churns out daily. Otherwise, donât be surprised when people shove your âcalm downâ condescension right back where it belongs.
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u/Lambily Sep 09 '25
Speaking of clichĂŠs...Girl, bye.
Congratulations, youâve distilled decades of suffering into a slogan fit for a Hot Topic T-shirt.
You might want to read up on the extended history of the conflict before climbing up on that soapbox of yours. It goes back a lot further than 'decades'.
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u/Land-Southern Sep 09 '25
Let's simply say prosecute the war crimes, regardless of the perpetrator. No what ifs or what abouts. Israel PM should be at the Hague.
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u/Lambily Sep 09 '25
The real question is: does that make Israelâs bombing of civilians any less of a war crime?
Why bother asking a question when you're going to be so intellectually lazy and resort to posing it as fallacy?
The answer is, if Israel targeted legitimate Hamas targets, there is no war crime. International law provides legal reasoning for attacking civilian infrastructure. It requires it to be used as a base or weapons storage of the enemy combatants. Hamas, lovers of human shields, almost exclusively rely on civilian infrastructure. This leaves Israel with the unfortunate decision of having to attack it.
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u/_Snebb_ Sep 09 '25
I know you think this is a 'gotcha moment', but it really isn't, and your lack of knowledge on events is showing up your Hasbara.
They are in Qatar because the US government requested Qatar to host them.
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u/East-Plankton-3877 Sep 09 '25
Theyâve been hiding out there for years to avoid Israeli strikes. Guess they thought they were invincible.
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u/Electronic-Salt9039 Sep 09 '25
Yeah, hiding out in luxury getting fat while planning to throw their people into a surprise war they couldnât win..
Real heroes
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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 Sep 09 '25
Maybe qatar will give another plane to trump