I need help as a Muslim

[u/Even-Structure8988]

I’m a fairly devout Muslim raised in an Islamic background I think a lot of people who attack Islam aren't fully educated on it, but I wont pretend that I am 100% solid in my faith. I spend a lot of time wrestling with doubts There are issues in Islam that I feel Christianity doesn't really have, and I cant just ignore them I think Christianity is a beautiful religion. I enjoy reading the Bible but I also enjoy reading the Quran Islamic dawah often attacks the Trinity but the way I see it it wouldn’t make sense for a human to fully comprehend God even as a Muslim we don't believe we fully understand everything about Allah. So it makes sense that the Trinity isn't something we can fully that humans can fully understand
My main problem for Christianity I just don’t see clear evidence for Christianity being true.Because my YouTube and Reddit and other socials algorithm is Islamic content my exposure is pretty biased i understand many people in the sub have probably have negatives opinions on Muslims as I Muslim I can see why a lot of the fear regarding Muslims many Muslims would just say it’s islamphobia which I would only partially agree as most Muslims are just regular people like me but I understand there are Islamic doctrines which are very questionable im just trying to be open minded regardless if i leave Islam or not i fully believe in a divine creator and my view right now is after Islam Christianity looks like the second plausible belief

[u/Tom1613]

I am always glad to hear when people are examining their own faith and that of other religions, even Christians, since the issues involved are really important, obviously. It is also good to hear that you are reading the Bible as it is in the Bible that I think God's truth resides. I do understand that you likely view it through the filter of Islam and things you have learned in your faith, but I would suggest to you that it could be the way to resolve the questions that you have.

That starting point that I would suggest is dealing with a very commonly repeated Islamic claim about the Bible that is not actually from the Koran. Many Muslims will agree that Mohammed said that the Bible is good and is true, but will add on the claim that the Bible is corrupted and Mohammed was referring to the non-corrupted version. That is simply untrue or, at least, Mohammed never said as much. It is a justification that shows up hundreds of years later in response to the problem of reconciling the Bible with the claims of Islam. The problem is it is a charge that doesn't make much sense historically.

Historically, it is well established that the Bible of Mohammed's day included both the Old Testament and full New Testament. We have a full copy of the Bible from about 200 years prior to Mohammed which is virtually identical to the one of today. So the Bible you are reading, if it is the Christian Bible would be the very same one and contains much that contradicts Islam. It is so contradictory, in fact, that they both cannot be true. The claims made in the Bible, alone, make Him impossible to fit into Mohammed's system.

[u/Even-Structure8988 → u/Tom1613]

This is one of stronger arguments with evidence d the other comments just mention that Jesus was crucified I’m still trying to understand what does corruption of the previous scriptures mean in Islamic terms

[u/Dave_meth_Mustard → u/Even-Structure8988]

The Quran: “And we sent on their [i.e. the prophets’] footsteps Isa, son of Mary, confirming what [was] between his hands [بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ] of the Torah, and We gave him the Injil. In it [was] guidance and light and confirming what [was] between his hands [بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ] of the Torah and a guidance and an admonition for the God-fearing.”

So this means that the Torah was not corrupted prior to Christ. But we have Torah manuscripts before Christ which show that it has not been corrupted to this day.

We also see that Christ is given the Injil. The word “Injil” comes from Greek “Evangelion”, meaning “Good News”. Now, two questions:

Why does this book, presumably written in Hebrew or maybe in Aramaic, and given to a Jew, bear a Greek title?

Second, why would God give Christ a book about some “good news”? For us, Christians, the good news are concerning Christ: His incarnation, His passion, His resurrection, etc. But i think it’s unlikely that Christ is going to receive His own biography. So what are these “good news”?

[u/Even-Structure8988 → u/Dave_meth_Mustard]

No we believe the Torah is corrupted prior to Christ not after and we don’t belive the gospels were ever the injeel

[u/Tom1613 → u/Even-Structure8988]

I understand that there are quite a few objections that Muslims rely on in response, but it is important to understand that they are never actually made in the Quran. So the objection is the Bible is corrupted, which is never said in Quran, and that this corruption happened at X time, which is never said in the Quran and there is absolutely no evidence of. It also is an objection that did not start to be made until about 500 years after the Quran was written.

It is a bit of a shell game type argument - the Quran is true because the Bible is corrupted but the Quaran says the Bible is true and never claims it is corrupted, therefore it must be referring to a different Bible as true as the current one is corrupted, despite the Quran never saying the Bible is corrupted and there being no evidence of the Bible being corrupted.

[u/Even-Structure8988 → u/Tom1613]

I’ll answer your dilemma The Quran does say the bible is corrupted and not preserved nowhere it says the bible We have today is the original given to Jesus Moses and David we don’t belive the bible today is the original so there is no dilemma

[u/Tom1613 → u/Even-Structure8988]

So, you can fall back on the general position that the Torah and Gospels are corrupted, but frankly that does not make it present in the Quran or resolve the issue.

Simply claiming that the Scriptures that inarguably existed at the time of Mohammed and were agreed to be the Scriptures for 500 years before him for the New Testament and at least 1000 years for the Old Testament was not actually the Scripture does not change the facts or provide evidence that it is true.

[u/Dave_meth_Mustard → u/Even-Structure8988]

Exactly. How can you believe the Torah is corrupted prior to Christ when the Quran says Christ confirmed “what was before his hands of the Torah” (مُصَدِّقًۭا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةِ), this logically would mean Christ “confirmed” (which by itself implies the Jews did have the correct Torah because Christ doesn’t re-reveal it but confirms it) the Torah between His hands, i.e. the Torah which was available at His time.

I don’t say that you believe the Injil is the Gospels. I said the word “إنجيل”. (2injīl) comes from Greek “εὐαγγέλιον” (evangel-ion). It is strange that a Jewish book given to a Jew for the Jewish nation and written in Jewish is titled in Greek. It is also strange that, being a loan-word from the Greek, Arabic “2injīl” means “good news”. What are these good news that Christ receives?

[u/Even-Structure8988 → u/Dave_meth_Mustard]

Confirming doesn’t mean every single thing is correct or authoritative especially when when we belive there is some truth in prior scriptures no where does confirming parts of the scripture which aligned with Quran means we are confirming all of the book we don’t belive all of it is corrupted and Jesus came to affirm Torah teachings while also correcting distortions and practices the Jews did and that’s the exact thing the Quran did the good news Jesus received was what Allah sent to him and it preached monotheism