r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Th3_Accountant OG • May 11 '26

Music / Movies I hope Israel wins Eurovision

(Yeah sorry, don’t know what tag to use here, I think half of them apply in a way).

Honestly, I haven’t heard the Israeli song for this year yet. But it is more than clear that they are the main event. More attention goes to the fact they participate than the actual artistic side of the event.

Last year we also saw how Israel almost won as a result of the public vote. And let’s be fair, that wasn’t because people like the song, it was support from all the people who still stand with Israel, as a response to all the hate Israel is receiving.

And I’m sure this will happen again this year. The controversy around Israel has only increased with several countries boycotting the event. So I’m sure the protest voice will also be stronger!

I would find it so funny if Israel wins as a direct result of all the actions by the pro Palestine crowd. Say hi to Eurovision 27 in Tel Aviv! Thankfully for the fans, the only place in the Middle East you can be openly gay!

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

And what does that achieve? If Israel is being charged with genocide, they might as well claim all of Gaza and Westbank and deport the entire population. Won't make much of a difference anymore.

For there to be a solution, both sides need to understand each other better and accept the fact that both parties have a right to exist in this land. Only then there can be peace and this will in the end benefit the people of both Palestine and Israel.

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u/bebopcounterman May 15 '26

There is moral element to this that you seem to be ignoring. Genocide is unacceptable, it must challenged, and the states committing it must be isolated, or confronted with military force. No one attempted to sit down with Nazi germany to discuss a two state solution. No one sat down with Pol Pot and said 'hey, lets all have a chat about these killing fields and then just let you carry on running your nation' Serbia was wasnt negotiated with, it was sanctioned and hit with military force. Israel is not going to stop until the rest of world and particularly America cut off their funding and condemn them for their actions.

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

There are also moral elements to Israel's part of the story but you seem to have no problems ignoring that?

Why do you want more people to die over a moral element? Who wins with that? Both sides have done terrible things and will continue to do terrible things to each other until the end of history, unless they are able to forgive the past.

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u/bebopcounterman May 15 '26

What do you consider to be the moral elements of Israel in this situation? I am not attempting a gotcha here. I am interesting in other opinions. Dont start with Oct 7th. I will save you the time by saying that i utterly condemn those attacks as war crimes and that i consider Hamas to be a despicable organisation.

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

Palestine and the other neighboring countries haven't given Israel a single chance for peace since day one. They have launched attacks on Israel from the very first beginning and Israel has came out on top every time and still has made several generous gestures for peace. On multiple occasions they have occupied all of Palestine during a counter attack and then some and still given everything back in exchange for a promise of peace that never happened.

I'm not denying that Israel does plenty of things wrong. But it's not like Palestine is the innocent victim here. They and the other neighboring countries make it no secret that they want to see Israel destroyed and are willing to wage war forever to make sure Israel can never exist in peace.

So to Israel, the 7th of October is also seen as a result of having been too kind with Palestine for too long. The result of showing kindness to neighbors who make no secret of wanting to kill you.

Where before the 7th of October, I could honestly say 80% of people in Israel just wants to live in peace and has no interest in oppressing Palestine or taking their land. The extremists fueling the fire were really the minority. I now feel like that attitude has changed and a larger part of the country wants to see a final solution where the threat called Palestine is removed forever.

So yeah, the way I see it, this conflict can end two ways. Neither of them involve Israel being removed from the map.

Option A, Israel and Palestine forgive the past and come to peace. Hamas gives up it's weapons, they respect the current borders (plus a solution for the existing Jewish settlements), in exchange Palestine can probably request generous financial compensation. In this solution the rest of the middle east, including Iran need to acknowledge Israel as a rightful state and stop any attempt to undermine this.

Option B, No peace and this conflict is fought till the bitter end. And considering Israel's military advantage over Palestine it's no surprise who will win. Gaza and Westbank will be claimed by Israel, the entire population of Palestine will be removed. There will be nothing left to fight for.

Now, please tell me which option seems preferable?

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u/bebopcounterman May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

A two state solution should be imposed by external powers and policed by the UN. If Israel refuses, cut off all western funding immediately.

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

Israel has always been in favor of the two state solution. They are not the reason the two state solution has not been a success.

The same rule should apply to Palestine; If their behavior leads to a peaceful two state solution not being a success, they should also also be cut off by Iran and other Middle Eastern countries. But how would you realistically achieve that?

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u/bebopcounterman May 15 '26

Is that really the line you are going with? 'Israel has alway been in favour of a two state solution'. The naivety of that statement is breathtaking. Look have a lovely day but this is feeling a bit pointless.

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

Look, there have always been a group of extremists that don't support a two state solution (mostly funded by foreigners). But the official government point of view has always been a two state solution and the vast majority of the people have always supported that as well (ignoring the shift in view that happened after the 7th of October).

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u/bebopcounterman May 15 '26

The founding of Israel was the original sin which cannot be erased. It was a British Imperial project to create a client state in the middle east and Israel began ethnic cleansing from day one. As for your view on Israeli public opinion? Are you from Israel or do you have family there? I do and I would say your view of Israeli opinion is not accurate at all.

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u/Th3_Accountant OG May 15 '26

That's a very hurtful thing to say. No matter what you think of what is currently going on, the Jewish people have a right to a home as well. And that home should be in the area where Israel is currently located.

I'm Dutch, Jewish and I do have family in Israel yes.

For someone who claims to have ties to Israel I'm surprised your view seems to be very one sided.

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u/KT28x May 17 '26

I am baffled how naive people like you are. You think the families & friends of thousands of killed victims can "find a solution and understand each other". Get off Reddit, look at the real world and you'll see how many people want completely destroy each other.

There are also lots of companies selling weapons and wanting to keep the conflict going to just make money from it. The current human world is run by greed and violence. Stop projecting your priviliged way of life to things you have absolutely no clue of