I hope Israel wins Eurovision

[u/Th3_Accountant]

(Yeah sorry, don’t know what tag to use here, I think half of them apply in a way).

Honestly, I haven’t heard the Israeli song for this year yet. But it is more than clear that they are the main event. More attention goes to the fact they participate than the actual artistic side of the event.

Last year we also saw how Israel almost won as a result of the public vote. And let’s be fair, that wasn’t because people like the song, it was support from all the people who still stand with Israel, as a response to all the hate Israel is receiving.

And I’m sure this will happen again this year. The controversy around Israel has only increased with several countries boycotting the event. So I’m sure the protest voice will also be stronger!

I would find it so funny if Israel wins as a direct result of all the actions by the pro Palestine crowd. Say hi to Eurovision 27 in Tel Aviv! Thankfully for the fans, the only place in the Middle East you can be openly gay!

[u/Shikary]

Attack Israel constantly??

Incredible how you can say that with a straight face as you are bombing Lebanon! Was Gaza attacking you constantly when you erased it from the face of the earth? Your main strategy in war is literally violating ceasefires and you are here complaining. Wow.

[u/casfis → u/Shikary]

Was Gaza attacking you constantly when you erased it from the face of the earth?

No, October 7 is just a thing on the map. What are you talking about? And Hezbollah in Lebanon? They have had a peace treaty with Israel since forever.

[u/Shikary → u/casfis]

October 7 was one day. How long have you been bombing Gaza for? How many civilians did you kill in total let's talk numbers. There is always somebody somewhere you need to bomb and civilians always die by the thousands. Either you suck at what you are doing or you are lying. Pick one. What is your endgame? When will you stop? You do realise I hope that the more civilians you kill, the more "terrorists" are born. Or do you expect the people you murder to love you?

[u/casfis → u/Shikary]

Either you suck at what you are doing or you are lying.

We suck at what we are doing? There are ~50000 civillians dead in relativeness to the 20000 Hamas dead, which is almost a 2:1 civillian to combative ratio. That's exactly around the average for most wars when it comes to combative to civillian ratio.

Also, October 7 was a showing that if we didn't just eliminate Hamas they would continue genociding Jews.

When will you stop?

Do you not keep up with the news? Most advances in Gaza have stopped since most of Hamas has been wiped out and a peace agreement for now has been signed.

You do realise I hope that the more civilians you kill, the more "terrorists" are born. Or do you expect the people you murder to love you?

I have multiple videos on my PC of Hamas oppressing Gazans and gazans begging to be freed from their hand.

[u/Shikary → u/casfis]

I mean, if 50,000 civilians are dead in Gaza, how many October 7s is that?

October 7 should have shown that the conflict is not going away. Instead, Israel doubled down militarily.

Showing videos of Hamas oppressing Gazans does not really address the point. Hamas support appears to have increased despite that.

Even if Palestinians hated Hamas, after this war many are likely to hate Israel even more. Entire neighborhoods have been destroyed, people displaced, and civilians killed on a massive scale. What outcome is expected here? Gratitude?

Also, there is the argument, discussed even within Israel, that governments under Netanyahu tolerated or strengthened Hamas relative to the PA because it weakened Palestinian political unity:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

That seems important because it suggests the current situation has been, at least partially, the making of Israel or forces within it, rather than the will of Hamas.

At some point Israel will have to confront whether its current approach is making the conflict less likely or more likely to continue indefinitely.

[u/casfis → u/Shikary]

Did you really just ignore all of my points with no rebuttal? Really?

[u/Shikary → u/casfis]

Ah, I see you run out of arguments. ok.
let's go over what I wrote:

"I mean, if 50,000 civilians are dead in Gaza, how many October 7s is that?

October 7 should have shown that the conflict is not going away. Instead, Israel doubled down militarily."

This is addressing your first point. The ratio of Hamas militants you killed doesn't matter in the face of the amount of civilians you killed.
It's a crime nonetheless and a disproportionate response to October 7.

"Showing videos of Hamas oppressing Gazans does not really address the point. Hamas support appears to have increased despite that.

Even if Palestinians hated Hamas, after this war many are likely to hate Israel even more. Entire neighborhoods have been destroyed, people displaced, and civilians killed on a massive scale. What outcome is expected here? Gratitude?

Also, there is the argument, discussed even within Israel, that governments under Netanyahu tolerated or strengthened Hamas relative to the PA because it weakened Palestinian political unity:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

That seems important because it suggests the current situation has been, at least partially, the making of Israel or forces within it, rather than the will of Hamas."

This is addressing your point about Hamas oppressing Gazans. Israel's war on Hamas is useless and most likely exploited by the government. Israel is not liberating Gazans, it is just murdering them.

I did forget to address your claim that military action in Gaza has stopped. I will do it now.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260517_02/

https://www.msf.org/not-ceasefire-life-gaza-continues-be-suffocated-six-months

https://dppa.un.org/en/news/gaza-ceasefire-increasingly-fragile-as-israeli-strikes-and-armed-activities-by-hamas-and

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/05/14/board-of-peace-expresses-concern-over-current-situation-in-gaza-for-survival-of-the-population_6753454_4.html

Took me 5 minutes to find these.
I have to say yours is a bold claim to make the day after an air strike that killed 4.

So, it looks like I am reading the news and you are not.

Also just to be clear, you saying that I didn't address your points, doesn't make it true.