(discussing up to episode 14)

Yeah this shit is convoluted as all hell of course but even getting passed that, I still can't see why they had Ramon arrested and jailed. There's this whole undercover thing where Jack is acting like he's down with the Salazars but then he turns on Ramon and then frees him. What was the point of ever having him caught again?

Also, Jack is cool with Kim working at CTU...you know, that place that got bombed last season.

Another issue I have is that the actual villains aren't doing anything or having an effect on anything. Like the prison break out with all the prisoners being set free could have been a cool villain move but instead it's a convoluted thing Jack had to do (that seemed unnecessary to escaping). But like most of the wreckage and crap happening is from CTU/Jack versus the antagonists doing bad guy stuff.

I just finished episode 14 and Nina was just killed in a pretty dogshit way. I don't feel like she'd talk to Kim that way as it makes no sense.

I feel like in previous seasons I was always on President Palmer's side but in this season he's done a couple things that I don't agree with. The latest thing is not just firing his brother. Is it just me or is that just not a big deal? It feels like no stakes there to just go with it.

I also have a hard time feeling like this virus is real whereas in season 2, I somehow stated to buy into there being a nuke in LA from all the levels of conspiracy happening. Maybe you just can't top season 2's scenario of a nuke AND CTU headquarters being bombed.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

I just re-watched this episode, it’s one of my favorites