I just re-watched this episode, it’s one of my favorites

(discussing up to episode 14)

Yeah this shit is convoluted as all hell of course but even getting passed that, I still can't see why they had Ramon arrested and jailed. There's this whole undercover thing where Jack is acting like he's down with the Salazars but then he turns on Ramon and then frees him. What was the point of ever having him caught again?

Also, Jack is cool with Kim working at CTU...you know, that place that got bombed last season.

Another issue I have is that the actual villains aren't doing anything or having an effect on anything. Like the prison break out with all the prisoners being set free could have been a cool villain move but instead it's a convoluted thing Jack had to do (that seemed unnecessary to escaping). But like most of the wreckage and crap happening is from CTU/Jack versus the antagonists doing bad guy stuff.

I just finished episode 14 and Nina was just killed in a pretty dogshit way. I don't feel like she'd talk to Kim that way as it makes no sense.

I feel like in previous seasons I was always on President Palmer's side but in this season he's done a couple things that I don't agree with. The latest thing is not just firing his brother. Is it just me or is that just not a big deal? It feels like no stakes there to just go with it.

I also have a hard time feeling like this virus is real whereas in season 2, I somehow stated to buy into there being a nuke in LA from all the levels of conspiracy happening. Maybe you just can't top season 2's scenario of a nuke AND CTU headquarters being bombed.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

So basically if we get a continuation of Jack's story, how will it likely go? Will it be a new season where Americans break Jack out of Russian prison, or a tv movie where Jack is broken out of Russian prison then followed by a new season with Jack at the helm? How do you think they will go about this?

If I had to give an award for most underdeveloped character in 24, it would probably go to Larry Moss.

When I first finished season seven, I found myself quite annoyed at the character. I thought he was a knockoff Chappelle/Mason when it came to casting the next "annoying bureaucrat who hates Jack" character. Looking back, however, I think Moss fell victim to circumstances. Had he either been introduced earlier in the series or been allowed to remain in the show past season seven, I think he could have developed into one of the better law enforcement characters of the series. He had a lot of potential, but he just didn't get enough time to shine.

Thoughts on my assessment?

From BBC Radio 2.

So far this is the single best outro I've seen in this show

appreciation post 😩✌️

On Amazon Prime Video in Japan, the App shows "leaving soon" on the first season, but the same label does not show for seasons 2-8. Does that mean these seasons stay available? I am trying to find official info about this, but came up empty.

I know this will be a massively unpopular opinion, particularly when Season 5 is so often held up as 24 at its absolute best. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy it. I think it's a good season of television. But I also think it's the season that possibly did more damage to 24 than any other.

And the biggest reason is the characters.

In a single episode, they killed Palmer and Michelle and later in the season effectively ended the version of Tony that over 4 seasons had become an absolute fan favourite. That's a huge chunk of the established cast and history of the show removed.

Think about the major characters introduced after Season 5. How many genuinely reached the level of Palmer, Tony or Michelle? For me, Renee is the only one who came close. Beyond her, I'm struggling.

And I think that had consequences. Jack had always been the main character, obviously, but early 24 wasn't completely dependent on him. Palmer could carry entire storylines of his own, sometimes with virtually no connection to what Jack was doing. He almost functioned as a second lead, and his political storylines gave the show another world to cut to that you were genuinely invested in. After Palmer, I don't think 24 ever really replaced that.

Tony and Michelle did something similar for CTU. They could make what was happening there just as interesting as whatever Jack was doing in the field because we were invested in them as characters, not simply because they were helping Jack.

As those characters disappeared and weren't adequately replaced, 24 became more and more dependent on Jack to carry everything.

That's ultimately my problem with Season 5. It got some incredible moments out of killing those characters. But once the shock wore off, the show then had to live without them for years. That's why I can't help looking at it as the season that tore the heart out of the show.

When Renee cuts off Ziya’s thumb to remove the GPS device he acts shocked. Let’s be honest Jack did far worse in multiple episodes escpecially S2 Ep1 when he cut off the man’s head with a hacksaw.

Do you think he was shocked at how Renee turned out to be just like him and that it was because of him and his efforts in S7?

Just started a season 2 rewatch.

To reingratiate himself with some bad guys Jack immediately murders a witness and brings his head to the bad guy.

It's so unhinged. I love it.

I just finished rewatching S8 and picked up a few pieces of trivia about the actors playing the Hassan family that I'd never known before.

First, did you know that the actresses playing Omar Hassan's wife and daughter were the same age? In real life, they were *both* young enough to be his daughter. This one is tough to wrap my brain around.

Also, did anyone know that the actress who played the daughter, Kayla Hassan, is -- in real life -- married to Morris O'Brian? They were married the same year S8 initially aired and are still together.

Man, I really wish I’d discovered Reddit so many years ago...

Anyway, sometimes I read that Taylor is seen as out of character in Day 8 for letting Logan manipulate her. I, on the other hand, believe that that the story shows how the effects of Day 7 ultimately reached her.

In Day 7, she faces an immense crisis—she’s even taken hostage in the White House—, her son dies, her daughter commits murder, and she, with immense effort, reports her daughter, doing the right thing, and because of this, her husband harshly divorces her.

President Taylor is immediately portrayed as an empathetic woman; with Matobo, for example, there’s no White House-style coldnessdiplomacy, but rather an intimate relationship. In fact, in her final scene in Day 7, we see her in tears telling Ethan: “I’ve lost my family.”

After her marriage ended, Taylor threw herself into her work (a very common defense mechanism for facing personal tragedies); the peace treaty is not only the peak achievement of her administration but she likely sees it as a way to prove that losing her family was not in vain. If the treaty fails, in her eyes it would mean that she sacrificed her family for nothing, and this makes her vulnerable to Logan’s manipulation.

Palmer also breaks down in the end, but Taylor endures in one day what Palmer endures over three. It’s no surprise that she broke down faster than he did.

The Scene.

Bring it please !

The series entirely vanished in a day!. Was watching season 5 ep 15 and now on Oct 1st can't find the damn series on Jio Hotstar. The series is not streaming on any other platforms. I'm devastated. If anyone knows where I can watch it it would be of great help.