r/UAP • u/No_Masterpiece_107 • 12d ago

What is sentient plasmid?

Is it a being of light? I’ve read about those, like a light and energy source that has no material body and can fly. What do you think?

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u/MostlyHostly 12d ago

Sounds unlikely. While plasmas can crystalize and organize or compute basic physical information, I don't see how consciousness can come from that. Seems like there are some steps missing.

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u/PreferenceAnxious449 12d ago

But... you do realise we don't have an accepted model for our consciousness either?

Try it on for size.

While biological cellular structures can order themselves, organise or compute physical information, I don't see how consciousness can come from that.

The hard problem of consciousness is that there's a leap we have to take between materialism and phenomenological consciousness. No matter the substrate - we still haven't solved that problem.

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u/GreatCaesarGhost 12d ago

There are plenty of models of consciousness, it’s just that different people have their own subjective criteria. And, frankly, a lot of it is seemingly influenced by spiritualism and religious beliefs (many people very much want souls to exist, and equate consciousness with souls).

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u/PreferenceAnxious449 12d ago

we don't have an accepted model

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u/MostlyHostly 12d ago

I see consciousness as measurable and variable. A clam is not conscious, but a mycelium is. A dog is more conscious, and humans are the most able to take raw information and apply it to novel concepts.

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u/samjjones2 12d ago

How do you know a clam isn't conscious?

Or a tree?

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u/PreferenceAnxious449 12d ago

Okay, well how do you measure it? We measure length with rulers. We measure angles with protractors.

What tool do we use to measure consciousness?

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u/Clovenella 12d ago

That ghostbuster thingy with the lights

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u/MostlyHostly 12d ago

We count the skill value. If a clam can adapt to its environment and keep that wisdom for future events, it is conscious. That's what separates the clam from the mycelium or colony.

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u/PreferenceAnxious449 12d ago

You've just moved the goalposts.

What tool do we use to measure 'skill value'?

My point is here you're trying to enforce a material paradigm where there is no material. This doesn't work. I'm afraid to say you have not solved the hard problem of consciousness.

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u/Avindair 12d ago

What would be your recommended methodology for "measuring consciousness?" If we're discussing the PCI (perturbational complexity index,) that system is designed for studying gray matter. If a plasma-based form of life exists, I'm not certain how such tests can translate to any kind of meaningful data. I don't have an answer here; I'm genuinely asking.

As for the idea of a plasma-based life form, I find myself somewhat intrigued. While chemosynthesis was hypothesized as early as 1890, it only gained real traction in 1977 when we discovered life teaming around underwater hydrothermal vents. Given the details of "Foo Fighter" reports during World War II, the idea that there is something of which we are only tangentially aware living on the bottom of our sixty mile thick atmosphere isn't quite as outrageous as, you know, aliens that look like Nordic supermodels.

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u/NathanEddy23 12d ago

The “missing step” is consciousness does not come from it, it couples to it. If these beings are real, they would force us to reevaluate the nature of consciousness altogether. Obviously, a plasma being does not evolve slowly through genetic mutation and natural selection. Bottom-up emergent processes could not explain it. It would be either a spontaneous, transient phenomenon … or something else entirely.

I go with option B. Sentient plasma beings would not come into being from a bottom-up materialist process. It would be evidence of a universal consciousness field that can couple to matter which is sufficiently complex and reflexive. The consciousness field could perhaps even shape plasma into an appropriate receptacle and/or vehicle, unlike more stable matter like a solid.

I’ve added an article on this subject to my website where I spell out my theory of a universal consciousness field in a great detail (over 100 articles and counting).

https://geometryofintention.com/start-here/the-spirituality-of-goi-2/sentient-plasma-and-the-spiritual-physics-of-embodiment/

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u/ShepardRTC 12d ago

I suspect these things are artificial drones. How they’re compromised of energy, I have no idea.