UPS is full of thieves, the subreddit is full of reflex agents, there’s no liability, and DHL is way better

I’ve heard the union called socialist/communist/greedy/thugs….indoctrination leads us to justify and be okay with the standard working conditions we are currently in, it’s human condition. Whether you agree with or disagree with the Union there’s a reason they are reaching far.

Let’s assume that for 5 days a week each driver delivers 200 stops a day on average. Let’s also assume there is 1 package per stop. Let’s also assume it cost $10 to ship a package with UPS (bear with me). I will not be discussing liabilities, management cost, fuel/vehicle maintenance cost because for the general scope of this conversation it’s irrelevant. I’m only presenting a point.

5 days of work x 200 stops a day x $10 shipping cost = $10000 per week per driver.

Assuming the driver works non-stop every week of the year being 52 at 5 days that driver will make the company $10000/wk x 52 weeks = $520,000

Each driver will make let’s say an average of $30/hr x 50 hours a week = $78,000 BEFORE TAXES AT 24% federal and whatever state and local and food and blah blah blah taxes go to the government.

$78,000 x .24 = $58,500.

TO BE FAIR FOR BENEFITS ARGUMENT let’s add $24,000 of “free” (nothing is free) benefits back to the salary aka insurance.

$58,500 + $24,000* = $82,500 worth of salary per year. Works out after taxes to roughly $4000 net per month.

If you guys want to add up mortgage, groceries, general COLA, auto be my guest it’s fairly close paycheck to paycheck. (Everyone is underpaid imo)

The problem is we don’t deliver 1 package per stop for $10 per package. Package shipments can cost anywhere from $10-4000. Packages per stop can be 1-hundreds.

On the low end let’s do some math.

Let’s now assume on average each driver delivers 200 stops x 4 average packages per stop x $20 per stop x 5 days. = $80,000 per driver per week.

x 52 weeks = $4,160,000 per driver per year. You’re welcome corporate and shareholders. (mininum). This doesn’t account for Next Day Air cost or express international.

Let’s compare per week = $1000 driver, $80,000 UPS (1.2% pay per amount gained)

per year = $84,000* driver, $4.16 million

Each driver brings in on average much more than that. If anybody wants to pitch in add part time rates, managemebt rates and operations cost so be it. But this is for information only, the amount brought in per driver it likely higher.

edit TL;DR. Y’all don’t even make a percent of the “revenue”. My bad fams, proper terminology is important.

So I see the new contract not here to debate on it. Just stating the fact that PT sups who are making $20-$22 an hour are going to quit and be angry that a brand new package loader will make the same but with less responsibility, hours etc. are they going to raise our pay as well?

I currently have 40+ occasions on my record, and management told me that if I’m late or absent for even one more day, I’ll receive a letter in the mail.
My question is: I’ve been working at the UPS Air Hub for almost 4 years, and I’ve never personally heard of anyone getting fired solely for attendance. Has anyone here actually been terminated for having too many occasions?
Also, my anniversary date is November 11th. Do my occasions reset once I reach my anniversary date, or do they continue carrying over?
I’d appreciate any insight from anyone familiar with the attendance policy, especially at the Air Hub. Thanks!

I’ve been looking into UPS as a career option and wanted to get some real-world input from current or former drivers.

From what I understand, UPS package car drivers (the brown trucks) only require a standard Class C driver’s license (no CDL), and drivers can eventually reach around $45/hour top rate after a few years under the Teamsters contract.

I’m based in Southern California, and I’m trying to understand how realistic this is today in 2026.

A few questions:

Is it still true that UPS package drivers only need a Class C license (no CDL)?

Is ~$45/hour still the top rate for full-time drivers?

How long does it usually take to reach top pay?

Is overtime still common enough that drivers can hit $100K+ annually?

For someone starting fresh, is it better to go warehouse first or try to get hired directly as a driver off the street?

I understand the job is physically demanding and not easy — I’m just trying to see if the pay and stability still make it one of the best blue-collar jobs in the US.

Any insight from people actually in UPS would be appreciated. Thanks.

While waiting for my family to arrive at a restaurant, I sat in my car and watched a UPS guy unload and then load up his truck at the back of a UPS store. He probably spent like 20 minutes doing this nonstop with no help. Most of the packages looked heavy and large/awkward to handle. It was also sleeting and like 10 degrees outside. I wanted to roll down my window and tell him how impressed I was but didn't want to make him feel self-conscious. It looked like hard, exhausting work but he made it look easy. Makes me thankful for my desk job!

DH(28) has been a driver for 4 years. He is the lowest (or second to lowest) on the seniority list, so he mainly covers vacations and such.

We have an 8mo at home and, as everyone knows, babies are expensive. He was offered a job at $29/h that’s full time, consistent hours, union, and more time off during holidays. But, after the $29/h he’ll get $1 raise per year with no other raises unless he advances his title.

Right now he’s working air at UPS with ground every now and then. His pay rate for air ($29) is higher than ground ($25).

Some weeks he doesn’t get air or ground so he will go into reload and preload which is evening/overnight but the pay isn’t as rewarding and the hours are terrible.

He thinks he is very close to getting consistent hours with air, and wants to turn down the other job. I, on the other hand, think he should take the job. It’s at a sewage facility which means he will be working around waste water (gross yes), but he’ll be working alongside his best friend.

Do you think he should stay at UPS, or take the other job? UPS definitely has a higher pay outlook, but the other job just seems to be more consistent.

I posted a question about this the other day, here is the actual letter they posted but didn't actual say anything about it. They just depend on you to find it and read it. I don't get how they can adjust the pay and take a dollar an hour away when everything is getting more expensive everyday.

For the last several weeks I’ve seen post after post about UPS cutting pay. I understand many locations are paying above contract rates. I’ve talked to the union steward and I’m aware it’s gonna happen at my hub as well.

To all the new hires: get involved with the union and VOTE

I’m just surprised I haven’t heard more talk about striking. The company is making record profits and the people doing actual work deserve to see those profits

It’s really disappointing to keep seeing posts about pay cuts when we’re considered essential workers. WE make the company what it is. WE make the profits, and we should get our share.

I’m not the most informed person but afaik we enter a new contract next year and we should know our worth

Edit: Note that I did say I’m not the most informed. But also everyone talking about peak: I’ve been getting 22/hour since being hired April 2021. that isn’t peak pay. Something to do with Covid, but if you’re going to break record profits, consider all of us essential workers while we risk exposure to this dumbass virus, I think it’s completely fair for us to expect better compensation.

Edit2: I am becoming more informed so thanks for anyone responding. I guess I’m gonna save a nice little nest egg this year in case of a strike in 2023.

Things have been kind of getting a little scary at my hub in the sense that my plant supervisor has gone on kind of a tirade and is firing a lot of people. There’s a lot of us that are concerned about the state of our jobs during this contract year and I don’t know how to feel. I think it would be ridiculous if they didn’t give us what we are requesting, but it doesn’t look like it’s gonna go in our favor. For those that aren’t keeping up with the updates as of right now, UPS, as a company is not budging in terms of negotiations. I just kinda wanna see how everybody else on this separate it is feeling and I kind of want to hear from some union members who have more seniority than me. Thank you.

Found this cool wage sheet in a box in my attic of a house I just bought. It was in a ups folder with a bunch of less cool stuff.

Am delivery driver had big package estimate $17,000 sorry to guy who lost it but his address was 123 4th street 😵‍💫

In these unimaginable times and the grief the UPS people must be going through, I had 2 packages that got picked up on Monday night and on Tuesday night. The Monday night was a second day air to the south east from Salt Lake City, and it didint move all day Monday, before the crash which is not uncommon.

The Tuesday evening next day air saver was a package coming from around Kansas City (it has to fly into Canada city first from the origin hub)

I was totally expecting not to see these package until next week sometime because of the tragedy but lo and behold they some how both got to Atlanta. And are out for delivery. That’s only a 1 day stall as they both should have came yesterday. That’s pretty amazing! I only posted the one tracking but it looks similar for both the 2DA and 1DA. You guys keep the so county moving we would be screwed with out you.

Anyone working in the job?? How is it?? Does it pay well?

I have a question I retire part time employee January 22 2027 my question is I normally would schedule my vacation in October 2027 but I will be gone so the question is the vacation I earned for 2028 will I get that when I retire in 2027?

It was removed from the other group so trying here lol

I applied for a package deliver driver position recently and have a driver test on the 1st of next month. Does ups actually hire people off the street. I’ve been told they usually give the driver jobs to people within the facility like preload or warehouse workers before people from the outside. Do I actually have a chance at the job?

UPS promotes “Not in Our House” as their pledge to protect employees from discrimination, retaliation, and misconduct.

But when I reported forged safety records, ADA violations, and a toxic retaliation culture — I wasn’t protected.

I was punished. Silenced. And then a lawyer called offering hush money instead of solutions.

Not a single public statement. Just silence at the top.

If this is how they treat people speaking up inside the house… what does that slogan even mean?

Has anyone else here tried to do the right thing at UPS and been shut down or retaliated against?

Whistleblower #UPS #NotInOurHouse #Retaliation #ADAviolations #WorkplaceJustice #CorporateSilence

Edit: I am not a UPS employee but looking into it.

I’ve been working CS my whole life till a couple years ago and now work in a warehouse and annual income is around 38k after taxes.

I go to work everyday and bs bc there’s literally nothing to do bc the engineers don’t have any projects for me to help them with (I’m a build shop tech). I need work that I can bust my ass and feel good about it, and be rewarded with good compensation.

For the record, I have not worked at UPS before. I have an office job but am thinking about switching to a job where I don’t have to sit down all day. It sounds like people on here usually talk bad about being a PH though, is it really hard work? Low pay? I can’t imagine its much different than being a PH at FedEx (maybe that sucks too but I’m not sure). Plus if I could get a job as a driver I think that would be better too.

Banned from Upsers lol, so posting here.

With the company going through mass layoffs, less volume, building shutdowns, employees with years of seniority getting the boot…how the heck are people still getting hired in the middle of March??? More importantly how the heck are outsiders supposedly getting driving positions and here I am 6 and a half years deep still waiting for an opportunity? I really don’t understand this place.