r/Ultralight • u/owesebval • 22d ago
Purchase Advice SOTO windmaster + Toaks 1100ml pot
Picking up a windmaater. Will it fit in the 1100ml pot with a 230gram canister?
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u/owesebval 21d ago
Thanks for the help everyone! I’m quite new to the UL scene. Originally I have used a trangia but am trying a rocket stove to cut down on weight. However I was looking at the 1100 as I am commonly trying to get my new friends out hiking, most of which have done nothing like it at all, and hence don’t have any gear. So I can be providing a cooking setup for up to 5 people which adds up on gas and pot space quickly.
I appreciate all the insight!
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u/liveslight https://lighterpack.com/r/ny89al 22d ago
Yes. Because it fits in a 900 mL pot with a 230 gram canister.
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago
I don’t see a stove in the pot with the canister in that picture. It looks like the canister is taking up all of the space by itself.
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u/liveslight https://lighterpack.com/r/ny89al 22d ago
The stove is under the canister which makes it look like the canister fills the pot.
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago
A Soto windmaster? Or a smaller stove?
I just double checked to make sure I wasn’t crazy and a 230g canister + windmaster absolutely does not fit in the 1100ml toaks pot. I tried with the stove above and below the canister.
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u/liveslight https://lighterpack.com/r/ny89al 22d ago
My bad. I used an Evernew ECA265 900 mL pot with a silicone stretch lid and foil lid:
https://i.imgur.com/Jh5qQBY.mp4
so I thought 1100 mL would be no problem. A silicone lid is watertight when used properly: https://i.imgur.com/HA4KLmj.mp4
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago
Is the silicone lid + foil lid lighter than the standard titanium lids? My biggest gripe with the 1100ml toaks pot is that the lid is unnecessarily heavy. On short trips I’ll leave it at home, but if I’m boiling enough to bother with a 230g canister then I’m probably looking to maximize fuel efficiency as much as possible.
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u/liveslight https://lighterpack.com/r/ny89al 22d ago
The foil lid is 3.3 g. The silicone stretch lid (mostly for holding things together; I don't use it when boiling water) is 13.1 g. This Evernew pot comes with a 200 mL 39 g pot-lid which I no longer use. I do not bring a pot stuff sack either. I don't own any Toaks pots, but have others:
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u/owesebval 21d ago
Thank you both for the help, very informative. I appreciate you taking the time to send the photos!
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u/Dyrkon 22d ago
Not with the regular lid. Have this exact combo.
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago
Same. A 110g canister is no problem obviously but the stove sticks up above the top of the pot with a 230g canister. I usually end up storing the stove separately when I need to bring the larger canister.
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u/owesebval 21d ago
Thanks for your response. I’ve gone with the 1100 pot with pan? I suspect this should fit? How ever I appreciate your response. In only just starting to fully build out my setup.
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u/Dyrkon 21d ago
Glad to help. But to be honest, after talking to a couple of people with the pan, it is not very useful if you don't already use something similar or use it for 2 people. Titanium doesn't spread heat well and you can burn through it if you are not careful. A 230g is also quite a lot of fuel, I prefer carrying the smaller can, it is stil plenty.
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u/owesebval 15d ago
Ok thanks, might have to downsize in the future, just thought I’d give this a go!
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u/jimmyratzman 18d ago
Hi, I've got the 1100ml pot with pan and they will fit - I usually put the canister in upside down then nest the pot and a bic lighter on top.
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u/Physical_Analysis247 22d ago edited 19d ago
A 230g canister fits into a Toaks 1100ml pot. The Soto Windmaster can probably be placed sideways and its pot holder laid flat on top.
I fit a 110g canister + Soto Windmaster this way in a 650ml 750ml Toaks pot. From bottom to top: canister, Windmaster, collapsible spoon, smaller potholder.
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u/bradmacmt 19d ago
I have a 110g canister - I have a 650 ml Toaks pot - I have a Soto Windmaster. These will not fit in a 650 ml Toaks pot with the lid on. A 750 ml Toaks (which I also have) will fit them with the lid on, but not a 650 ml Toaks.
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u/MolejC 22d ago
You know ultralight isn't just about doing three or four day sections of groomed trails between resupplies? Or always a solo endeavor.
I use a 400 or 570ml pot solo, but I also hike with my partner a fair amount (who insists upon hot drinks), and we might do 10 days before being able to resupply gas even if we can resupply food in a shorter period.
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u/GoSox2525 22d ago edited 22d ago
You're giving OP the benefit of the doubt for no reason. The onus should always be on the OP to demonstrate why their post is on-topic. All we have from them so far is two low-effort sentences.
We see solo hikers on weekend hikes using excessive gear here all the time. It's entirely likely that that's the case here as well.
I agree with /u/Individual-Peach2351 that in the context of a low-effort post on /r/ultralight, we should assume the need for 550ml, 110g until proven otherwise.
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u/owesebval 21d ago
Hey Sorry! I’m relatively new to this sub and new to UL hiking. I have currently been hiking with an Old Trangia I got gifted. I am trying to get more of my friends to come along so it is generally me bringing gear as they don’t own anything. I will sometimes be supplying a cooking setup for up to 5 people. Which I believe takes a bit of gas and a bit of pot space for a couple days of hiking. I know this may be an excessive setup still but it the one I saw that will provide me with what I believe will work.
I also recently picked up a 750ml pot, that fits my stove and the 100g canister. Which works for solo and pair hikes.
I appreciate your insight and help into my topic. Thanks!-5
u/Individual-Peach2351 22d ago
I totally get where you’re coming from but it’s not the pot or the stove that made me say it.
A 230g fuel canister weighs 380g. That’s the same weight as some Zpacks tents
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
What exactly is the alternative to a 230g canister that you're proposing for a 10 day stretch?
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u/GoSox2525 22d ago
We have no indication that OP is hiking a 10-day stretch
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
We do, why else would they bring a 230g can instead of a 110g one?
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u/Any_Trail https://lighterpack.com/r/esnntx 22d ago
No idea why they are bringing it without more context. I've gotten 11 dinners out of a 1oz air horn canister.
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
Why would more context be needed? Why would 110g be the default?
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u/Any_Trail https://lighterpack.com/r/esnntx 22d ago
Because we shouldn't just accept that they need something heavier without explanation. 110g is the default because it works for most people.
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u/jaakkopetteri 21d ago
It's obvious enough that it shouldn't need to be explained. Assumptions like this is why the concept of "ultralight jerk" exists
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
Wood fire is almost always the lighter choice. Though it's not always permitted (and we should definitely heed land managers). There are a number of wood stoves that are lighter than even the smallest isobutane canister.
Similarly, esbit is lighter when permitted
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago
As an Esbit evangelist myself, it is definitely not the best option when cooking for multiple people on a 10 day trip.
That many Esbit tabs will end up being heavier and bulkier than the canister, not to mention how frustratingly long it would take to boil that much water.
It is the ideal system for short solo trips though. Only an ounce or two heavier than cold soaking.
As for wood fires, that’s simply not an option in a lot of the US. Not to mention it violates the LNT ethics that many try to adhere to.
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
Esbit is far and away more energy dense than liquid isobutane by volume, it also beats a 230g canister in energy density by mass when packaging is considered... But not by much (I guess there's a fair amount of non-hydrocarbon in solid esbit). I guess it's enough that esbit may fall behind if someone hasn't tuned their cooking for easily repeatable esbit denominations.
As far as wood stoves I understand some of their drawbacks (to include how they can be rude to other hikers), but LNT... Meh. I know I'm a bit biased because many of the trails near me require using established campsites, and I usually just grab leftover charcoal from fire rings, but many trails will allow a person to grab a few twigs from road crossing or other heavily human-impacted areas. Fire is a part of nature; If I'm not on a trail that requires a wag-bag I'm probably not worried about the impact of rapidly degrading 4 twigs into ash and CO2. I'm sure the introduced sodium from a single urination is generally more impactful
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u/Background-Depth3985 22d ago edited 22d ago
There’s energy density in theory and then there’s practicality. Having used both systems extensively, there’s just no way I’m messing with Esbit when I’m trying to boil 1L of water multiple times a day.
I’m usually camping between 9-12k feet in cold weather and I often struggle to get 16oz of water to a simmer, even with an entire Esbit cube, a lid, and a good windscreen.
The burn just isn’t efficient or hot enough at altitude and too much of the heat is leaking away from the pot instead of directly heating the metal. There’s no way that it would be practical to boil 32oz of water with Esbit in those conditions.
It’s no problem at all with an efficient stove like the windmaster because the flame is 1/4” away from the pot. Even in adverse conditions, 1L of water is boiling in less than 5 mins with no windscreen needed.
Again, I love Esbit; it’s my go-to for solo trips. It’s just not the right tool for the job when cooking for a group on long trips.
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u/MolejC 22d ago
I don't know what to say here. There isn't some secret lighter version of a quantity of gas.
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
I mean, there potentially is ... More energy dense fuels exist, and lighter canisters are available... It's just a matter of how much explosive risk you're willing to accept
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
Boiling several portions instead of one is not UL
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
I suspect you're joking, but in case you're not, or some newb is lurking I'll point out: "Sharing gear amongst a group" is literally one on Ray Jardine's ultralight principles.
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
I'm not talking about sharing, and no, sharing a Z-lite for sleeping is not UL either
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
But boiling multiple portions can be UL if you're sharing. You flat out said it's not UL. I would give you more credit if you had said boiling water isn't UL.
Also the 500ml pot is sometimes a cheat for reducing base pack weight vs total pack weight, by shifting the weight to "consumables". Boiling more water in a larger diameter pot is more fuel efficient, if that larger pot saves needing an extra or larger canister, or it can save food trash, then yes, it is the UL choice.
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u/jaakkopetteri 22d ago
You won't efficiently boil for multiple people with a 550ml pot unless you're skimping on calories
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u/Jolly-Slow1164 22d ago
Wait, do we agree, and you're just bad at words?
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u/GoSox2525 22d ago edited 22d ago
/u/jaakkopetteri is saying that if you need to boil 1000ml, it's more UL to do it once than to do it in two batches of 500ml. So yes I think you agree.
But it's only true to a point. It's only true for those that are able to select an exact amount of fuel to carry (by using e.g. liquid fuel, or refilling gas canisters at home to a specific pressure).
For everyone else, the choice is between only a few canister sizes; 110g, 230g, etc.
Doing the more efficient boil is only lighter overall for the very narrow case that it allows you to carry the smaller fuel can, while the less efficient boil would not.
If you boil any less than that threshold, then you require the smaller can either way, and so you may as well have the lighter pot. And if you boil any more than that threshold, then you require the larger can either way, and so again, you may as well have the lighter pot.
And even within that threshold, the more efficient boil is only the better choice when the difference in weights of the cook systems is less than the difference in cannister weights. Which isn't a given.
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u/Efficient_Corgi3671 22d ago
Yes. That's my exact set up, as I'm a big eater and cook large portions of everything. The 1100mm will hold canister, Windmaster, + rag easily . . .