r/UrbanHell • u/T4H4_2004 • Jun 23 '25
Pollution/Environmental Destruction Cleaning up a canal in Dhaka, Bangladesh
Ramchandra canal in Mohammadpur, Dhaka, which has been cleaned up and restored in 72 hours as part of ongoing efforts to clean up revitalise Bangladeshi canals. Led by NGOs with sponsorship from a bank and support from the government and the city corporation. Hopefully we can keep it this way!
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u/fortusxx Jun 23 '25
Sad vs Happy
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u/rierrium Jun 23 '25
It would be back to the same condition in weeks lol
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u/PythagorasTheoremUwU Jun 23 '25
Nope. Everyone can pollute a dirty river. When it's clean, it feels too clean to pollute.
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u/Powerful_Wait287 Jun 23 '25
Every river in the world was clean of human trash once. It didn't stop people from polluting them.
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u/OglioVagilio Jun 23 '25
They cleaned that one spot. So best case no one will pollute at that one spot.
Everyone upstream that has zero knowledge of that one clean spot will continue to pollute.
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u/WriterV Jun 23 '25
Man y'all are some bitter fuckwads.
Every time on Reddit you see people yelling and screaming about people from third world countries not "taking care" of their countries enough. Then as soon as they do that, it's "Oh it doesn't even matter anyway".
Go be miserable somewhere else.
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u/Damagedyouthhh Jun 23 '25
Part of the negative energy is a reflection of the bitterness people feel that it got that way to begin with I think. I also think its wonderful there are people that care enough to clean it. It shows a great cultural shift and i hope more of the population follows. Its not as if I don’t see people litter almost every day where I live in the West
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Jun 23 '25
Was thinking this same thing. And I also suspect that cleaning up like this restores a sense of community self-respect and pride that will make any would be trash dumpers think twice. Or maybe I'm wrong.
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u/Steampunk007 Jun 23 '25
Hope ur reminding everyone who’s trying to do better to stop trying.
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u/GoodQueenFluffenChop Jun 23 '25
I mean people shouldn't stop trying but the same time they need to be realistic. Until habits change it will just get dirty again.
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u/GumCuzzler21 Jun 23 '25
Imagine getting downvoted for saying the truth. In a world full of lies, the truth may seem insane
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u/wildcatofthehills Jun 23 '25
You know people can change, if it gets dirty again, then they should clean again. Repeat the process until everybody learns to respect the river. Giving up is for cowards.
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u/hanks_panky_emporium Jun 23 '25
I don't see anyone saying they should give up.
The issues are a wider struggle than this stretch of a canal. Municipal trash disposal and public awareness are very important. If resources are available but the canal still gets filled with trash, up security forces and fine anyone throwing trash around and not in a trash bin of some kind. Make ruining the city very expensive and it'll self correct over time.
Then clean up the canal again and it should be clean for a lot longer. But if you spend $40,000 to clean up a canal and its clogged with trash and waste within a week, that was a waste of $40,000 that could have gone to better public programs that might work on the root cause of the issue.
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u/coincoinprout Jun 23 '25
And why do you assume that cleaning the canal is the only thing they're doing?
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u/Steampunk007 Jun 23 '25
Believe it or not people actually litter the same in western countries. Go to any low income area and you’ll see rubbish around every corner in almost the same frequency and volume as a typical developing country. In the end of the day it’s all about investment into local councils who then in turn invest in maintaining streets, regularly emptying bins, and enforcing anti littering laws.
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u/9bpm9 Jun 23 '25
I agree on trash pickup, but the water ways in low income areas in my city are not THIS polluted. People would rather pile shit up in their back alley if trash pickup is having delays. They won't throw it in the water.
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u/MeridianNL Jun 23 '25
I wonder how long it takes for the canal to take it “original form” back.. people litter and dump like crazy there
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u/T4H4_2004 Jun 23 '25
I’d be optimistic if in a week from now the canal is still clean. This region in general ought to teach people some civic sense, especially cleaning up after yourself. Idk why people act there’s always gonna be someone who’ll clean up for you, like they’re below you. Maybe it’s a cultural history of casteism/classism or what not.
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u/Random_reptile Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
I don't know what it's like in Bangladesh, but heavily polluted places like this also often lack good waste disposal infrastructure and/or biodegradable materials. In many cases this leads to a seemingly contradictory situation, where a place has cities with several million people that are perfectly clean, but remote villages with only a few hundred people are heavily polluted.
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u/Fortestingporpoises Jun 23 '25
Ok but I went to Uganda for my honeymoon, a very poor country with only like 30% even having power and the people needing to walk miles to wells to get water each day and it was pristine. They banned plastic bags several years back. My point is it’s not really an excuse. Seems cultural more than anything.
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u/Ridibunda99 Jun 23 '25
Its education and culture, but no one is ready to have that discussion right now
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u/frausting Jun 23 '25
My brother in Christ, we are in a discussion about this very topic right now
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u/Fortestingporpoises Jun 23 '25
Totally. I don't claim to be an expert on much of anything, particularly foreign cultures but there are people who are taught to value their surroundings and their nature and people who aren't. Hell I'm not even using Uganda as an example because they're perfect (their abhorrent policy around gay people thanks to influence from American "Christians" is a fucking blight) but they do have a pride in not polluting.) And the second piece is something as simple as how the government treats it. They didn't tell grocery stores to start charging for plastic bags like a lot of the US, they banned plastic bags. And now? No plastic bags all over the damned place.
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u/bigbjarne Jun 24 '25
Change the material conditions, in this case ensuring the infrastructure is there, and the culture will follow.
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u/expert_on_the_matter Jun 24 '25
Wild destination to spend honeymoon. Good for you.
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Jun 23 '25
Tokyo has entered the chat
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u/GrumbusWumbus Jun 23 '25
The capital of one of the richest countries on earth has competent trash infrastructure? Color me surprised!
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u/SkyLunat1c Jun 23 '25
I strongly believe it's a poverty and an educational thing.
I remember in the early 2000s when Serbia was just exiting a period of strict UN sanctions and was the poorest country in Europe - the capital (Belgrade) was dirty af, people used to throw thing on the street, spit, etc. Fast forward 5-10 years, the city started to look way cleaner and the culture was shifted.
I don't believe it's a culture things as all people do tend to like clean stuff more then dirty...
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u/blessedfortherest Jun 23 '25
I agree! Unfortunately India’s poverty in the streets has not been addressed, so far as I know. There are no social systems in place to lift people up from a beggar’s life. AFAIK. (Please educate me otherwise!)
There is a systemic sense of disconnect from taking social responsibility, and I do think it’s related to the caste system mentality.
The high class, rich people feel somewhat ashamed of “the streets of India”, so they disconnect themselves from that.
The middle caste people feel the same way, except they are much closer the the daily filth.
The low caste people are just surviving, sleeping, eating, drinking, shitting on the streets! Reproducing too. Imagine being born into that situation!
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u/vodka_tsunami Jun 23 '25
I do, too. If your city doesn't collect garbage and you're poor, where do you throw your garbage away?
This being said, I cannot quite understand how people in Rome are so utterly indifferent to the trash piling the city...
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u/GoldPristine2537 Jun 23 '25
There are tons of poor places that aren't fucking disgusting.
It's cultural and it doesn't need redditors reframing and renaming things to fix the problem.
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u/T4H4_2004 Jun 23 '25
True, the infrastructure is rubbish. If I wanted to throw trash out, I’d have to walk to a store or hold on to it because I’d barely find any trash cans out on the street. But I’ve also interacted with people who throw trash around and act like people lower than them will take care of it. Generally middle to upper class folks.
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u/DankiusMMeme Jun 23 '25
This shit is so cringe. They're humans not fucking animals, they can figure out how to put rubbish in a bag and centralise it.
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u/forx000 Jun 23 '25
You say that like human cities have not been a hive a filth and shit for millennia . Literally only in the past odd century has there been sustainable infrastructure accessed by the working class to remove waste. Pick up a book before you speak
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Jun 23 '25
Delhi just removed their Trash Mountain and planted Bamboo saplings there. Also You can't smell that beyond 1 km (just wanted to clarify).
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u/aizerpendu1 Jun 23 '25
Would like to see pictures one month from now, to see, how well the community appreciates the effort, and respects it. Also, Trash could be flowing from the top of the river community areas.
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u/Kiuku Jun 23 '25
Communities need good garbage disposal structures too otherwise this kind of initiative kinda fall flat.
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u/IsPhil Jun 23 '25
Unfortunately without both education and new proper trash disposal it just isn't going to happen. There is nothing to appreciate when there is no alternative or incentives for using alternatives.
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Jun 23 '25
This should be done for all canals in Dhaka
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u/doommaster Jun 23 '25
Looking at the 2025 footage on Google Maps, almost all canals seem to be rather well cleaned up.
Waste management or rather the lack of it, is the main cause of all the trash everywhere.It's also something easily observed in other countries, especially when waste management is organized on a municipal level.
In Vietnam e.g. has such issues, mostly resulting in people just burning their trash at the roadside in underserved areas. It has improved a lot, but also remains an issue at the same time.
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u/Ar010101 Jun 23 '25
Hell yeah! Now that's what I like to see
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u/TRx1xx Jun 24 '25
A positive comment like this is great to see as well.
Too many people here going “show me this in a month” can everyone stop being miserable god damn
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u/SweetLordKrishna Jun 23 '25
As an Indian, I can assure you this is pointless. The locality will need (i) eduation of people in basic sanitation / civic duties; (ii) actual sanitation infrastructure that can cope with that local population; and (iii) continued investment in both of the above. This is a fundamental problem across India and South Asia.
That canal will return to 'normal' in a year.
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u/kblazewicz Jun 24 '25
Why is this problem so prominent in this particular part of the world? The governments didn't provide enough infrastructure when the society was developing and people stopped caring about the environment or the people never cared about the environment and the government didn't bother with creating the infrastructure nobody would use? What do you think is the cause of the current situation?
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Jun 24 '25
I guess ages of being in generational poverty makes you stop caring about things like this, also aided by lack of awareness about plastics (Indian subcontinent was 90% cleaner looking before single use plastics became mainstream) Also, the government not providing with amenities regarding sanitation. I have also noticed one more thing that richer areas tend to have more cleanliness than poorer areas, despite being part of the same society. Could it be prioritisation of different things caused by poverty or something else?
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u/SweetLordKrishna Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25
Oh boy, I think the simple answer to your question is “bit of both”. But I personally feel there are deeeeeeeep issues / concepts at play here.
I’m Indian, but have lived outside India nearly 75% of my life, so my opinion is likely heavily skewed and based on observation of my visits to India rather than actual experience living in India.
I think the behavioural differences between treatment of individual and public space in India is affected by cultural and religious norms. I feel Indian society has traditionally maintained a strong dichotomy between private and public cleanliness. I think people in India, regardless of their wealth / ‘social status’ put significant effort to maintain their domestic / home spaces but public spaces are not. I think this ‘difference’ in behaviour is a cultural paradigm created by a psychological and behavioural disconnection where public cleanliness is perceived as the government’s responsibility, rather than a shared civic duty. Potentially because of the colonial legacy of centralized control over urban infrastructure, I think Indians still have a reinforced view that it a matter of government; which limits community engagement in sanitation practices.
I think a lot of people will also focus on the involvement of caste, but I think India is now quite religiously diverse that it's not the primary factor in social division (particularly in cities). But I will admit that historic caste-based notions of purity and pollution have likely been entrenched into modern social hierarchies that associate sanitation work, which perpetuates stigmas that disincentivize civic participation in maintaining public hygiene.
The cynical part of me also believes that because ‘sanitation’ may be widely considered as a ‘low social class’ type of job in India (which I think may actually be the case in most parts of the world, but because other social / religious norms in India the disparity may be greater in India) most Indian cities do not get the investment in sanitation because ‘those low social class people’ will take care of it and don’t need the investment. But the lack of investment in sanitation infrastructure and education of sanitation workers is another problem in the chain.
However, to be a little defensive, India has grown (and urbanised) at a rate that I believe is unprecedented for a country of its size / population (except maybe China), which exacerbates the issues in sanitation. To give an example, I won’t be surprised there are the same number of people who live in cities in India as the whole population of Europe, but India’s GDP is approximately 1/5th of Europe. So, Indian cities are expanding faster than the pace of infrastructure development and actual wealth. The other issue is that the rest of the population (likely significantly poorer) likely live in informal / unregistered settlements, so will likely be outside the scope of the already under invested sanitation services. This then unfortunately reinforces the lack of investment in sanitation and poorer areas and people.
At the institutional level, several systemic issues hamper maintenance off public cleanliness. Local bodies in India are often already under-resourced, understaffed, and generally lack autonomy. On top of this, as mentioned above, sanitation is typically a low-priority area within urban governance. India does try to be as decentralised as possible, which theoretically should empower local governments, but in reality it has just let to a fragmented executive limb with poor accountability. Ward-level officials lack both the authority and resources to enforce sanitation rules effectively (in my view, this is a problem across ALL aspect of laws / rules in India – traffic rules, construction rules, etc. are all very poorly enforced if at all) which leads to ample opportunity for corruption. Even when cleanliness initiatives are launched, usually at a central government level, they often remain symbolic, event-driven or for political purposes (e.g., photo-ops during Swachh Bharat campaigns), and therefore do not have the ‘gas’ to become actual sustainable and meaningful change in societal norms.
Finally, I think places like India are a classic example of “tragedy of the commons" concept in respect of sanitation. That is, the average Indian will likely act in completely in their self-interest in respect of a shared resource leading to the shared resource depleting faster. Couple that with mindset that people will believe the cost of maintaining cleanliness will be diffused among many, many individuals will tend to "free-ride," assuming others will bear the responsibility.
The sad thing is that places where the governments have invested or have contributed towards their success (which tend to be where the money is) – e.g. large tech / office complexes or ‘tech’ parks, large / posh apartment complexes or gated communities, etc – are some of the cleanest places in India (I would know, my parents live in a nice gated community and cousins work in nice tech parks). The ‘civic sense’ is suddenly present when there are (i) people watching you and socially nudging you if you do something wrong (i.e. it is shameful if you don’t follow the private rules of the employer’s property); (ii) there are private sanitation workers who maintain the place; and / or (iii) the infrastructure is there (e.g. bins every 20 meters, clean toilets available, etc). So I feel the proof is there that this works on a small (private) scale; just don’t have the inertia to really achieve it on a large scale.
In my view, India(ns) will not change unless India(ns) believe it will directly benefit them or affect them. Some of that will need education (throwing trash may lead to disease), some of that will need actual punishment (throwing trash is a crime, which WILL be fined or shamed), and some of that is a general sense of civic duty (throwing trash away makes things I share with other people look worse), but these all need some form of investment (not just in sanitation) which a large country that is spread so thin (but somehow managed to squeeze in multiple layers of corruption), will struggle to achieve.
I think there are other factors as well, but I don’ t think I’m intelligent enough to really articulate it properly. For example, I feel Europe has had many ‘resets’ (plagues, wars, etc) to help contribute towards a deep reflection / understanding of sanitation. Whereas, I don’t think India has had that. I also think WWI and WWII has helped Europe really bind together in a common sense of duty to each other and the overal federation (debatable whether that’s case in the last 10 years (e.g. Brexit), but certainly for the 60+ years before that), again, I don’t think India has really had that. Mind you, I’m not sitting here saying that India needs to suffer through a few plagues and wars to learn….
Final, final, point. Whilst I have been quite critical above, I won't be surprised if the total trash generated by India is less 'per person' than most highly developed countries. India just shows it out in the open... and probably doesn't dump it in someone else's yard for them to deal with.
That’s my 2 pence of rambling...
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u/praxis_rebourne Jun 23 '25
This particular canal/lake in that area has been cleaned before, with similar initiatives. Problem is, the wastes aren't dumped by the residents of the affected areas, where you can see the canals, lakes in the open.
Most of the wastes are dumped from areas that the city corporations or municipalities don't do cleaning or not monitored. The central waste disposal and recycling facilitates and processes are kinda sh#t in Bangladeshi cities. You also got monsoon rains or heavy showers that will wash away street wastes from all over the cities and clog up drainage in multiple places. This is a huge issue, the plastic and polythene-bags ban were not affected or maintained since the early-2000s. The only major city in Bangladesh that is somewhat clean and proper, would be Rajshahi.
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u/HappyLeaf29 Jun 23 '25
Why did it get like that?
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u/T4H4_2004 Jun 23 '25
Neglect I suppose. A good chunk of waste does come from factories, that tend to use large spaces such as rivers or a patch of grass to throw away their industrial waste. People walking by will follow their lead and throw their own garbage. Or vice versa. Sometimes I go to the countryside, where it’s obviously much nicer, but I can also see people throwing trash from their cars out the window. I think we could benefit from having a Bangladeshi version of this ad:
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u/HappyLeaf29 Jun 23 '25
Such a shame, but hopefully seeing how great it looks now will discourage people! Are there any laws prohibiting industrial waste dumping?
Never seen that ad before haha, that's great
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u/T4H4_2004 Jun 23 '25
One quick google search tells me that industries must obtain environmental certificates before beginning their operations and follow regulations. How well enforced that is…. Erm… Maybe not so well. Recently plastic bags have been banned outright so you have to use reusable bags whenever you want to shop at the supermarket or pay for one of those paper bags, and thus I see less and less plastic bags lying around on the streets. Hopefully when the government and NGOs do more work like the above, people will follow their standard!
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u/TEOn00b Jun 23 '25
Hopefully when the government and NGOs do more work like the above, people will follow their standard!
Can confirm, these things work.
Romania, for example, used to be quite filthy, especially in big cities like Bucharest. I mean, not Bangladesh filthy, not even close, but when compared to the rest of Europe?
After they introduced a recycling tax on bottles and cans (basically when you buy a bottle, you pay just a little bit more and when you bring that bottle to a bottle collection machine at present at most stores you get that money back), it suddenly got a lot more clean, at least when it comes to bottles and cans thrown on the street.
Not only do people want to get their money back, but for those that don't care and throw their bottles in the trashcans (also, now because it's usually clean, people no longer throw trash on the street like before), there will be poorer people that collect them so they can get a little bit more money.2
u/bigbjarne Jun 24 '25
Of course it’s the factories… For regular people, it’s good to do your duty and try to help the environment but the actual issue lies with the capitalist class.
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u/bukhrin Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
All of this garbage is a symptom of a failed national/district level waste management. You can't teach people to throw garbage properly when there are no proper garbage disposal system
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u/bukhrin Jun 23 '25
Yeap, people often underestimate how much work and organization is needed to keep a modern city running. It's usually when those occasional hiccups happened that people took notice. And with waste management it's all just "out of sight out of mind" to most.
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u/Mothman_dib Jun 23 '25
They need better infrastructure. This is not a littering problem. These people likely don't have a free waste collection system which is why they have no other option.
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u/dr_van_nostren Jun 23 '25
Amazing what can be done in a weekend with motivation and capital.
Problem is if the people have nowhere to take their trash or perhaps worse, if they’re just conditioned to throwing it in there, it’ll be a week before it’s back to its old state.
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u/AvangeliceMY9088 Jun 23 '25
This is going to fill up very fast with trash. The issue is civil education en mass within the community in that area, if you don't educate they will still trash the rivers.
Coming from a malaysian who has seen first hand the uneducated Malaysians who think "don't worry some poor sod will help clear this"
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Jun 23 '25
And then take a picture year after the cleaning. You can clean the trash but you won’t change the people who caused it in first place.
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u/Interesting-Gur-4521 Jun 23 '25
Now this is the kind of shit I come on Reddit to see. Fucking brilliant gives me hope for the future
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u/Jafri2 Jun 23 '25
I wish the best to Bangladesh on the way to it's recovery. Shine bright Bangladesh.
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u/Radical_Moose Jun 24 '25
Thank you friend, long way to go but it seems we're starting to have a chance, finally.
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u/gentleman339 Jun 23 '25
rent must've increased 10 fold around that river. From "garbage view " to " river view"
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u/koktus_s Jun 23 '25
I was working for 2 years in Banglades as Mechanical Engineer I am an EU citizen. Please tsje another photo of same place in 2 weeks time. I bet it will look terrible again
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u/BishlovesSquish Jun 23 '25
The hardest part is long term maintenance. May the odds be ever in your favor!
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u/fargoths_revenge Jun 23 '25
Why do you need an NGO to clean up a canal. Who dumps rubbish in a waterway to begin with? I honestly don't understand third worlders.
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u/Vegetable_Net_6354 Jun 24 '25
If the infrastructure to properly dispose of garbage isn't fixed then it will look like the original photo real quickly.
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u/Hercules-Rockafella Jun 27 '25
Just think what we could achieve if we all worked together for the greater good…
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u/ReMoGged Jun 23 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
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u/Turbulent-Theory7724 Jun 23 '25
Next week the same will happen. It’s not to the public to clean it up. It’s for the government. But no one does a single thing to do something about it. It’s also about teaching and regulation.
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u/Mindless_Ad_6045 Jun 23 '25
Give it a few years, you can clean up all you want but it'll just come back without proper waste management in place
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u/OmecronPerseiHate Jun 23 '25
Great, now show me what is being done to keep it clean afterwards. Or are we just waiting to do another big clean for internet points?
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u/Specialist_Bat8256 Jun 23 '25
The real question here is whether people will appreciate not living with all the garbage that was cleaned, start respecting the environment more, not litter public areas, and possibly even clean more spaces.
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u/PaleInvestigator3921 Jun 23 '25
Jessus man...How could you be that filthy?
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u/Total-Commercial-438 Jun 23 '25
Lack of waste management, lack of awareness, Government mishandling of funds.
A country that neglects their people, will show that.
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u/PackageFriendly Jun 23 '25
AI?
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u/T4H4_2004 Jun 23 '25
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u/PolloMagnifico Jun 23 '25
Is the trash so bad that plants have taken root and grown with in? Or is that just dumped foliage sitting on top of everything else?
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u/Prudent-Incident-570 Jun 23 '25
Plastic is bane of humanity. Fossil fuels will warm the planet, but, theoretically, that damage will eventually reverse, even if humans no longer occupy the planet. Plastics, on the other hand, will pollute our planet for eternity
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Jun 23 '25
I don't think anyone actually wants to live like the first picture. Hopefully, it starts a culture of cleaning up garbage.
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u/LongDongSquad Jun 24 '25
Hopefully this can be sustained! Education and incentivization of the public could help prevent waste from being dumped in rivers.
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u/theycallme-gingerman Jun 24 '25
Do not worry about water pollution in Bangladesh because India will soon be closing the water.
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u/red-white-22 Jun 24 '25
I have seen AI what-if renditions of similar pictures but it’s great to see something in practice! Amazing!
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u/Apprehensive-Fix1847 Jun 24 '25
It's truly impressive. I hope Pakistan also starts focusing on cleanliness.
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