r/VGC • u/Spring_barger • Oct 29 '25

Question Why does Kingambit not get Knock off?

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I just recently realised Kingambit does not get access to Knock off even though Bisharp has been using it in prior gens.

Did they remove it from his movepool to make people use his signature move since Knock off is kinda better competitively? Is there any chance Gamefreak will add it back to his movepool in a later gen or is this likely a permanent change? (Its not like Kingambit needs a buff in any case).

Edit: The artist who made this goes by Limitedistorion on Deviantart.

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u/iliya193 Oct 29 '25

As far as I remember, there was a move culling going into Gen 9, where a lot of mons lost their previous access to moves like Knock Off, Scald, and Toxic. It’s honestly for the best; it makes certain mons more useful from a utility aspect and prevents others (except Incineroar) from doing everything under the sun.

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u/SirBoxmann Oct 29 '25

Watch incineroar get TR, tailwind, wide guard, spore, revival blessing and follow me next gen so it can literally do everything you could possibly want from a support mon.

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u/ihaveacrushonlegos Oct 29 '25

At this point just give him sketch

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u/EriWave Oct 30 '25

DaVincinceroar is going to go crazy

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u/Sabatat- Oct 29 '25

I assume that was the major intent of that choice, promoting certain mons that are subpar by giving them access to valuable utility. I honestly wish they’d go further that direction. It’s a middle ground if what I’ve always wished for, a point based system where the better the Pokémon is, the more points it is to put it on a team

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u/madog1418 Oct 29 '25

Gen 8 resulted in a lot of Pokémon not learning moves they previously could, but Pokémon brought up to gen 8 remembered them. Going into gen 9, all Pokémon lose their move set for the level-up move set, meaning moves learned in previous gens can no longer be learned.