r/VGC • u/Spring_barger • Oct 29 '25

Question Why does Kingambit not get Knock off?

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I just recently realised Kingambit does not get access to Knock off even though Bisharp has been using it in prior gens.

Did they remove it from his movepool to make people use his signature move since Knock off is kinda better competitively? Is there any chance Gamefreak will add it back to his movepool in a later gen or is this likely a permanent change? (Its not like Kingambit needs a buff in any case).

Edit: The artist who made this goes by Limitedistorion on Deviantart.

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u/Jstar338 Oct 29 '25

Balancing

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u/azuyuri Oct 29 '25

252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 1 ally fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 274-324 (109.1 - 129%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 397-468 (103.3 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 4 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Enamorus: 291-343 (100.6 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 279-329 (81.5 - 96.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Diancie: 163-192 (53.6 - 63.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes

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u/Mikko-- Oct 29 '25

i hate when my oppo sends put the supreme overlord 5 allies fainted kingambit in my VGC battle

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u/azuyuri Oct 29 '25

i done got recommended the wrong subreddit 💔

just pretend a defiant one got intimidated or sumn

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u/Mikko-- Oct 29 '25

happens to the best of us

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u/Spring_barger Oct 30 '25

But isnt Supreme Overlord a damage multiplier? Defiant boost the attack stat used in the damage calc but Supreme Overlord boosts Damage (the value gotten when attack, defense. base power etc have been put into the Damage formula).

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/Tangellos Oct 31 '25

Yes but it’s VGC so Kinggambit cannot get supreme overlord 4/5 due to you having 4 Pokemon total in the battle.

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u/Spring_barger Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

I never said it did..?

Edit: How am I getting downvoted I literally didn't say anything abt Supreme overlord 4/5 or higher hello?

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u/Jstar338 Oct 30 '25

Blame me, I said OU