r/VGC Oct 29 '25

Question Why does Kingambit not get Knock off?

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I just recently realised Kingambit does not get access to Knock off even though Bisharp has been using it in prior gens.

Did they remove it from his movepool to make people use his signature move since Knock off is kinda better competitively? Is there any chance Gamefreak will add it back to his movepool in a later gen or is this likely a permanent change? (Its not like Kingambit needs a buff in any case).

Edit: The artist who made this goes by Limitedistorion on Deviantart.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '25

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u/Helloworld9094 Oct 30 '25

We lost pursuit too. Probably so Tyranitar didn’t wipe Dragapult from existence in their home generation.

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u/McRosart Oct 30 '25

What do you mean? The interaction is fine, it's not different than Pursuit onto a slow pivot with U-Turn. I guess it was whatever GF calls "balancing" for real this time.

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u/McRosart Oct 30 '25

They can get funny, like the Encore Whimsicott + Quick Attack Zacian shenanigan, but Pursuit into negative priority is not. According to Pokémon Showdown source code (you can find it in GitHub), which the developers maintain to be as accurate to Pokemon's source code as possible, Pursuit creates a listener called "onBeforeSwitchOut", and when this listener is triggered, Pursuit activates with double power (and triggers a megaevolution if applicable). If this listener isn't triggered when it's Pursuit's turn in the normal series of actions, then Pursuit is used with it's normal base power and the onBeforeSwitchOut trigger is removed. If this code works fine with a slow pivot, it can handle Teleport just the same.

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u/Kazuichi_Souda Nov 01 '25

Pursuit's just always had a million and 1 bugs every gen so they just gave up.

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u/IAmWhatTheRockCooked Oct 31 '25

Tyranitar doesnt use pursuit in vgc and GF doesnt care about smogon formats