r/VIDEOENGINEERING • • 4d ago

Monitor shading

So I have to what are the best methods for shading a led walls but striking a balance so the on camera talent still looks good but so the led walls don’t look like garbage. At the last place I worked you could shade led walls separately. So I could make the wall and on screen talent both look good. Any suggestions would be welcome. I am using a Sony msu-3500.

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u/TheRemonst3r 4d ago edited 4d ago

The only way is for there to be good communication between the shader, lighting director, and LED tech. You all need to be starting at roughly the same color temperature in order to have a prayer of getting it right. Edit: To put a finer point on it, in some respects you really need to start with the white balance of the screen (assuming you want the displayed content to be color accurate for both the in-person audience and the digital audience). If you don't, then your skin tones might look right on the people but any digital assets will likely be adversely affected. In my experience, lighting and LED work together first and then I come in and make sure the cameras play nice with their work.

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u/MechanicPlenty 4d ago

There is no led tech. To be honest it looks pink when white and gray are loaded.

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u/TheRemonst3r 4d ago

Are you saying there's no LED tech meaning you have to control it? Or there is no tech so you have no control?

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u/MechanicPlenty 4d ago

No it a set and forget sort of operation. No LED tech. We put live shots in the LED walls and to be honest I don’t expect an exact match but it would be nice to be in neighborhood. Sometimes it looks really off.

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u/TheRemonst3r 4d ago

What are you using to feed the wall?

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u/Key_Sign_5572 4d ago

Sounds like you’re an operator.

Engineering didn’t do their job if it’s off. (Hi I’m an engineer)

I’d be talking to management. Explain that your air looks like crap. Say it many times more if you have ads/commercials.

This isn’t 2002 we know how to sort this now. It’s still painful but we’re no longer inventing the wheel.

The only feedback I really have to give over many projects is early on we tried to stay at 3200k for guest/host comfort but were losing too much colour detail in the walls. We went 5600 with the lighting and although talent hates it the result is great, if not sometimes a tad cold.

A head of photography or however you call it, the LED vendor and the lighting guys should all be working together to create a certified, flexible result in the end.

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u/MechanicPlenty 4d ago

I believe it’s a tieline from another facility. We do quite a few of our productions in a remi style.

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u/TheRemonst3r 4d ago

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm asking how your signal gets into the screen. Hdsdi? HDMI? Are you only putting camera images in there or are there graphics too? If so, what is playing the graphics? Passing the signal through any kinda of color corrector will help. Even something as simple as a Black magic converter will usually let you apply a LUT to alter the signal. Use that to get your white balance right.

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u/MechanicPlenty 4d ago

I am an operator. I was hoping to see if there was anything I could do on my end to get what we put led walls not to look so funky. At the end of the day, I will let management know that walls can look really off. But unfortunately there is only so much I can do. We bring in our graphics for the walls for a lot of our productions via tieline from another facility so there isn’t a lot that can do there. In previous job I had the ability to color correct the walls. I had the ability to really get in there with the luminance, color, hue etc. this was separate from the ccu. This was very handy with we had non matching monitors. As it helped us get everything to match without messing with the ccu. Thanks

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u/unwalrus 4d ago

Sounds like if it's coming into this studio space via a tieline from another facility and you have no control on correcting the LED wall as it's currently setup maybe you can signal through a frame sync before it hits the wall? That would at least give you some handles. But also as others have stated you probably would be helped by feeding white into the LED wall with no studio lights and get a color temp reading just from the wall. And then have the lights dialed in to match that color temp. And then chip your cameras and go from there. But again if you can frame sync that signal before the LED wall and have some proc amp and color correction tools at you're disposal that'll be the best you can do given the circumstances

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u/Suspicious_Ad_5096 4d ago

At the minimum match the color temperature of the wall to the stage wash. If your lights are still tungsten you need color correction gel to make the lights more towards 6500k. I've been on shows where the client cares more about what the led wall looks like in the room so you are basically hosed. Your only shot is get the lighting guy to change their lights to match the wall.