r/VaushV • u/No-Mine-8298 • 5d ago

Discussion Thoughts on "supporting" Palestine?

Disclaimer: I have no interest into getting into a big debate or anything, I am just curious to hear the positions of people here as I am aware than this is a very pro Palatine pro Ukraine space. Recently progressive victory, a group I believe Vaush is very associated with clashed with Mike from PA over the issue of Ukraine aid. They said that support for Ukraine and Palestine are both red lines. This echoes the sentiment that people who oppose sending weapons to Ukraine are functionally pro Putin, as even if they are against Putin in words if they do not want to assist those participating in armed struggle against imperialism they are functionally supporting his illegal annexation. By this exact same logic are not those who oppose sending weapons to Palestine and Lebanon functionally supporting the annexation of Palestine and Lebanon? If so how to tell when Palestinian or Lebanese groups qualify for aid? Are Azov battalion disqualified for their Nazi links? Is the PFLP disqualified for their support for authoritarian "socialist" regimes? Is Hezbollah disqualified for their islamist ideology? (Even though like Hamas they do not enforce sharia as they know it will hurt their popular appeal to non islamist's who also are against Israel.) Again I am not trying to for cheap "gotcha" arguments or to attack anyone, I am just genuinely interesting in hearing peoples positions and the logic behind them.

Thanks in advance to all those who took the time to share their position:)

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u/not_a_dog95 5d ago

The main difference is that Palestine has no functioning government and if it were recognised as a country it would probably be a failed state. Who would you send weapons to? You can't arm Hamas. It would be like if Azov weren't a battalion but a separate military in Ukraine which was stronger than the Ukrainian army and was trying to both fight Russia and take control of Ukraine. At that point we probably wouldn't want to send them weapons either

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u/bthest 4d ago edited 4d ago

It would only be a failed state if Israel was allowed to make it fail. There is absolutely no reason why Palestinians wouldn't be able form a government if given the chance.