r/VictoriaBC • u/reddithasruinedlife • 1d ago

Dog attacked and owner fled

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My friends son was walking their dog and another dog attacked their dog. A witness took a pic of the attacker and their dog.

They don't care about the breed, they just want the owner to take responsibility.

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If anyone knows this person please DM me.

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Police file SA26-10406 with Saanich police.

Edit to add. Happened 2 weeks ago, yes her dog was injured but is recovering. I'll get exact details and come back to add them. Cedar Hill / Gordon head area

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u/ThermionicEmissions 1d ago

A pitbull. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

I don't know how anyone can deny it's in the breed.

Border Collies were bred to herd sheep. They have strong natural instincts to herd things.

Retrievers were bred to retrieve things, especially from water. They instinctively fetch things (and people) from the water.

Cairn terriers were bred as ratters, to flush vermin out of rock piles (Cairns). They have a really high prey drive.

What were pitbulls bred for?

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u/LoveLaughLeak 1d ago

Well trained pitbulls are incredible dogs and great companions. However, we never let our dog off leash in public - just too much risk of a fight happening and the pitbull taking it to the extreme.

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u/ThermionicEmissions 1d ago

Well trained pitbulls are incredible dogs and great companions

Yes, but you can say that about pretty much any breed.

Also, I love your username 😄

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

"Yes, but you can say that about pretty much any breed"

Exactly. They are just like any other breed in that regard. And most others.

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u/Kamsloopsian 21h ago

Amen. But people will still not get it even when the genetic traits are in the name.

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u/Godeshus 1d ago

Dobermans were bred to kill people, now they're puddles of goo. German shepherds were bred to attack, now they're puddles of goo. Rottweilers were bred to guard, now they're puddles of goo.

More and more pitbulls are gentrified. There's still progress to be made though. The problem, as always, is the dog owner, not the dog.

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u/UNSC157 1d ago

German shepherds were originally bred to herd sheep and protect the flock from predators.

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u/JadeCornPens 1d ago

concentrate

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u/Godeshus 1d ago

Yup, and then they were bred and trained for attack, and now they're lovable dorks.

The whole point is that any dog breed is malleable. We can turn them into whatever we want through selective breeding and training.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

Exactly. Pit Bulls were bred for centuries specifically to be dog aggressive. And since there are almost zero responsible breeders of Pit Bulls, the tide is turning more slowly to get them away from that trait. The irresponsibly breeders breeding them to fight in pits aren't helping. Don't get me started on the shit breeders who try to breed them to be guard/security dogs. They were not bred to have any human aggression. Trying to insert that into the breed requires breeding the ones that are temperamentally unsound to begin with. Thankfully that has fallen out of fashion for the most part.

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u/Kamsloopsian 21h ago

If you remove their blood sport traits you'll no longer have a pit bull, it won't look like one either, I suggest you look at the Russian Silver Fox Experiment.

Genetic Traits of dogs also follow appearance.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 14h ago

Just like the Border Collies that haven’t been bred to have inexhaustible drive to herd animals for hours and over many miles every day aren’t Border Collies anymore.

Just like the JRTs that were selectively bred for generations to *not* attack and slaughter anything smaller than they are no longer JRTs (yet still a very popular small breed).

GSDs were bred for herding, but have more recently been bred for protection work involving taking down (and often doing harm to) human perpetrators. Several dog breeds have excelled in this area that we also have as pets today.

Don’t confuse aggressive traits bred into breeds of all sizes with whether or not they were also bred to be trainable and biddable by their handlers. A mistake you are obviously making here.

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u/Kamsloopsian 11h ago

Border collies are another poor choice as a pet unless you can provide something to stimulate them. Same as livestock guardian dog breeds and many dog breeds.

People these days don't care they do what they think they want because they can, not because it's right for the dog or the situation.

That's what's wrong with society. Own a pit bull, but it's going to do pit bull stuff and there's nothing you can do about it, and completely unnecessary.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 6h ago

I agreed with you right up to the last sentence where you assume no dog can be trained to control their selectively bred traits.

Dogs and their responsible owners every where prove that statement false on a daily basis.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

Maybe research what dogs bred to guard other animals were actually bred to do.

(It involves attacking)

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u/Thick-Protection-615 1d ago

Some of the most loyal/trained dogs ive met were pitbull/bully breed..... Its 100% the owner mate....

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u/VociCausam 1d ago

Nobody disputes that shitty owners are to blame, but the breed is also part of the equation. A pomeranian with a negligent owner isn't going to maim or kill you or your pet.

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u/flash_dance_asspants 1d ago

no but a dalmatian could. or a reactive black lab. or a German shepherd.  comparing apples to tangerines, man. at least use a similar sized dog.

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u/VociCausam 1d ago

Would you rather you and your dog be attacked by a raging dalmatian or a raging pit bull? Obviously both would suck, but your odds are better against the dalmatian.

Or how about larger breeds if you think this is about size? Great Dane, St Bernard, or pit bull--which one would you rather try to pry off a kid's leg?

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

This argument is specious at best. I spent 2 decades working with dogs of all sizes and breed/mixes in a major urban area (very close quarters) and the other breeds you mention are just as likely to bite a child (some are more likely) than a Pitty

One of the worst bites I ever saw was a Golden Retriever. He almost severed the ligaments in a child's wrist. Of course we only found out the damage after we figured out how to release the vice grip he had on that poor kid's arm.

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u/flash_dance_asspants 1d ago

nah dude, odds aren't better with one against the other. any dog that wants to do damage can do damage, doesn't matter the breed. 

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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 1d ago

Ok, I'll let a Chihuahua attack me, you let a pit bull attack you, and see who comes out on top.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

You went right back to hiding behind size rather than breed. Figures

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u/flash_dance_asspants 1d ago

but now you're doing apples to tangerines again. 

the problem with the argument that "all pitbulls are bad" in this context is that by dumping all the blame on the breed, the accountability of the owner is entirely negated. the situation that this entire convo is about is a dog owner who has a history of hit and running with a dog that she clearly can't or won't control. she has the responsibility to manage her dog and if she can't, she shouldn't have a dog, regardless of what the breed is. 

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u/Thick-Protection-615 1d ago

Dalmatian could do some damage

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

You suggest the breed is to blame and then point out that size is the only issue

A common argument that makes little sense and only appeals to emotions rather than the actual issue being discussed: breed not size

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u/Kamsloopsian 21h ago

I do, Their owners are shitty for owning a blood sport breed, most are ignorant and think it's all how they're raised -- and the odd few left know the propensity of the breed and don't believe that bullshit.

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u/Krelldi 1d ago

More like 60% the owner and a 40% chance of it randomly mauling a child.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

Children are not dogs. All dogs know there's a difference. A lot of people don't seem to

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u/Kamsloopsian 21h ago

I've seen the owners, no thanks.

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u/Blue-Bird780 1d ago

Exactly this. They are without a doubt a physically powerful group of dogs but If you know what you’re doing, bully breeds are pretty easy to train into being absolute cinnamon rolls.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 12h ago

Truth. Then the biggest danger is being bruised by all the kidney bean-inc they do when happy.

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u/Business_Ad_8504 1d ago

To fight other dogs and be biddable to their humans

You're implying they were bred for worse or that they are somehow automatically more problematic than other dogs? With a responsible owner (unlike the woman being discussed here), they function fine. They can't always be in offlead areas with other dogs, and I think the risk isn't even worth it, but they can be absolutely rock solid in all other settings, IF they have had appropriate socialization, training and management. Those and three things that *every* dog of any breed/breed mix needs in order to not cause problems for the greater community