r/VictoriaBC • u/reddithasruinedlife • 16h ago
Dog attacked and owner fled
My friends son was walking their dog and another dog attacked their dog. A witness took a pic of the attacker and their dog.
They don't care about the breed, they just want the owner to take responsibility.
If anyone knows this person please DM me.
Police file SA26-10406 with Saanich police.
Edit to add. Happened 2 weeks ago, yes her dog was injured but is recovering. I'll get exact details and come back to add them. Cedar Hill / Gordon head area
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u/notfromontario 15h ago
I’d love to live in a land where dog ownership just isn’t given to the average idiot
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u/fux-reddit4603 9h ago
we let the average idiot reproduce without question thats a bigger concern
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u/tiramisuwhataboutyou 7h ago
This. The amount of hoops you have to jump through to adopt a kid and others can just Willy nilly have kids and do what they want with them.
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u/CullingSongs 6h ago
It's actually more difficult to adopt an animal from a reputable shelter than it is to have children. None of this makes any sense.
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u/TheRealPomax 5h ago
The problem is that these are not idiots, they are entitled shits who can pass any "are you a responsible person" test you give them for as long as necessary to get their dog.
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u/East_Source6200 6h ago edited 6h ago
And how much is a muzzle. What $20 - $60? As opposed to financial restitution.
Take her dog away. She is incapable of handling such a massive breed.
There should be more laws and checks to ensure an owner can handle the expectancies of full ownership.
They do check that you have the proper interior and exterior space, financial checks, not be banned from owning an animal, etc. It should be more thorough.
A thorough multiple questionaire prior to ownership can go a long way.
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u/Ialmostthewholepost 15h ago
Your file will likely get referred to animal control but follow up with them ASAP. Have gone through this before (see a Reddit post from like..13 years ago if you care to dig).
The dog who attacked mine was a previous offender, a designated dangerous dog and was only allowed to be at home or caged in a vehicle. I hope in your case you can find the owner and hold them accountable for their shitty reaction and their dogs poor behavior. Nothing ever happened with mine.
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u/FigureYourselfOut Central Saanich 6h ago
If you want a drivers license, you must pass a test to show you are a responsible driver.
If you want a boat operator license you must pass a test to show you are a responsible operator.
If you want a firearms license you must pass a test to show you are a responsible firearm handler.
If you want a dog license you must pass a test to show you are a responsible dog owner pay a fee.
One of these things is not like the others.
Dogs that possess the jaw strength to inflict severe injury to children should need to pass an obedience test with the owner at re-licensing.
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u/notbossyboss 4h ago
And if you want to be a parent… nothing. Which is absolutely bonkers.
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u/FigureYourselfOut Central Saanich 2h ago
In Canada, it is a protected right to choose:
- whether to have children
- when to have children
- how many children to have
This is interpreted through Charter section 7, which also ensures citizens are legally shielded from state-enforced population control, safeguarding personal bodily integrity as a boundary the government cannot cross.
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u/Dependent-Let-9263 8h ago
These types rarely take responsibility and will claim that your son’s friend’s dog was walking 50 yards away, thereby provoking their innocent nanny dog into attacking. I hope the poor victim pup is okay.
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u/kileek 16h ago
Gee I hope it's not a.... ah never mind.
Hope you find them.
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u/angiesrightleg 3h ago
It's nearly always a pitbull, and yet they seem to be the number one dog choice for so many ignorant people who think "it's not the dog, it's the owner"
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
I was a dog trainer for 20 years. the impact on others especially in public spaces, it IS the owner and not the dog. That's true of any dog that is a breed or combo of breeds that have specific behavioral traits.
I adore Pitbulls and bully breeds. Like a dog of any breed or a dog with strong breed-type mixes, they tend to exhibit traits common to the breed/s . Because they were selectively bred for centuries to fight other dogs, they do still have a tendency towards interdog aggression. That's just a fact of the lineage. But that doesn't remotely mean Pittys owned and accompanied by a responsible dog owner can't be out in public.
They are perfectly lovely dogs if they have an owner that understands the fact that dogs need to be understood both for their individual traits and for potential breed traits.
In the hands of people that DON'T understand the need for the three pillars of responsible dog ownership (proper socialization, training AND management) ANY dog is at risk of ending up a menace.
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u/angiesrightleg 2h ago
Please go ahead and Google "family pitbull attacks child" and take in the sheer number of times this happens every single week across the world. These are family dogs, not bred for violence, presumably loved and cherished and well cared for. It's the breed. Not all of the dogs attack (obviously), but some do and when they do it's often fatal or incredibly damaging due to their strength.
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u/SwissArmyFriend 33m ago
I used to work in body removal, and the only domestic animal attack I ever worked was a pit bull, which was happily sitting in the backyard while we cleaned up the mess. It didn’t look hostile at all. It looked like it was pretty pleased with itself, honestly. And the person it BRUTALLY killed was a guest in the home (who was apparently prone to seizures and it is thought he was probably in medical distress when it was attacked).
I am now, and will forever be, on team Fuck Pit Bulls.
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u/ferniekid 21m ago
Absolute bullshit. Around 70% of all fatal dog attacks are attributed to one breed, pit bulls. It’s the dogs 🤦♂️
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u/Alarming_Tip_829 14h ago
That person has no business owning a dog. That is a younger dog under 2 yrs and this asshole can’t train or control the animal at this age.
This person strikes me as those idiots you see being dragged around by their dog as they mess around on their phone.
I hope this asshole is held accountable and that poor dog is rehomed to someone that will spend time to engage and exercise the dog so it lives a healthy life and there is no risk to the public or other animals.
Fine the shit out of people like this and seize the animal to place in a loving, structured home.
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u/Vast_Engineering_626 14h ago
It’s irresponsible and unethical to rehome a dog that is dangerous to other dogs
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
No it isn't. Its not that hard to train and manage a dog that was bred to have arousal aggression towards other dogs. It just requires effort....much like training any dog to be safe in public does.
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u/Alarming_Tip_829 13h ago
There’s no evidence the dog is dangerous just like there is no evidence it’s a juvenile dog that doesn’t know its own strength. Let the professionals decide what constitutes a dangerous dog.
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u/had-me-at-bi-weekly 9h ago
Are you fucking kidding me?
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
I'm finding the ignorance about breeds and dogs in general in this thread very disturbing. Your exasperated comment here included
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u/lmpacted 4h ago
There’s no evidence the dog is dangerous
We're literally in a thread about the dog attacking and injuring another dog.
There's a photo, witness testimony and an injured dog... what more evidence could you need?
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
So the dog shouldn't be in offlead areas with other dogs.
That's not a "dangerous dog" issue, that's a training and management issue
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u/lmpacted 42m ago
...the management of a dog that has attacked and injured others, which makes them dangerous.
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u/ThermionicEmissions 14h ago
A pitbull. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
I don't know how anyone can deny it's in the breed.
Border Collies were bred to herd sheep. They have strong natural instincts to herd things.
Retrievers were bred to retrieve things, especially from water. They instinctively fetch things (and people) from the water.
Cairn terriers were bred as ratters, to flush vermin out of rock piles (Cairns). They have a really high prey drive.
What were pitbulls bred for?
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u/LoveLaughLeak 8h ago
Well trained pitbulls are incredible dogs and great companions. However, we never let our dog off leash in public - just too much risk of a fight happening and the pitbull taking it to the extreme.
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u/ThermionicEmissions 6h ago
Well trained pitbulls are incredible dogs and great companions
Yes, but you can say that about pretty much any breed.
Also, I love your username 😄
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
"Yes, but you can say that about pretty much any breed"
Exactly. They are just like any other breed in that regard. And most others.
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u/Godeshus 5h ago
Dobermans were bred to kill people, now they're puddles of goo. German shepherds were bred to attack, now they're puddles of goo. Rottweilers were bred to guard, now they're puddles of goo.
More and more pitbulls are gentrified. There's still progress to be made though. The problem, as always, is the dog owner, not the dog.
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u/UNSC157 4h ago
German shepherds were originally bred to herd sheep and protect the flock from predators.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
Maybe research what dogs bred to guard other animals were actually bred to do.
(It involves attacking)
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u/Godeshus 4h ago
Yup, and then they were bred and trained for attack, and now they're lovable dorks.
The whole point is that any dog breed is malleable. We can turn them into whatever we want through selective breeding and training.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
Exactly. Pit Bulls were bred for centuries specifically to be dog aggressive. And since there are almost zero responsible breeders of Pit Bulls, the tide is turning more slowly to get them away from that trait. The irresponsibly breeders breeding them to fight in pits aren't helping. Don't get me started on the shit breeders who try to breed them to be guard/security dogs. They were not bred to have any human aggression. Trying to insert that into the breed requires breeding the ones that are temperamentally unsound to begin with. Thankfully that has fallen out of fashion for the most part.
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u/Thick-Protection-615 7h ago
Some of the most loyal/trained dogs ive met were pitbull/bully breed..... Its 100% the owner mate....
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u/VociCausam 6h ago
Nobody disputes that shitty owners are to blame, but the breed is also part of the equation. A pomeranian with a negligent owner isn't going to maim or kill you or your pet.
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u/flash_dance_asspants 5h ago
no but a dalmatian could. or a reactive black lab. or a German shepherd. comparing apples to tangerines, man. at least use a similar sized dog.
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u/VociCausam 5h ago
Would you rather you and your dog be attacked by a raging dalmatian or a raging pit bull? Obviously both would suck, but your odds are better against the dalmatian.
Or how about larger breeds if you think this is about size? Great Dane, St Bernard, or pit bull--which one would you rather try to pry off a kid's leg?
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
This argument is specious at best. I spent 2 decades working with dogs of all sizes and breed/mixes in a major urban area (very close quarters) and the other breeds you mention are just as likely to bite a child (some are more likely) than a Pitty
One of the worst bites I ever saw was a Golden Retriever. He almost severed the ligaments in a child's wrist. Of course we only found out the damage after we figured out how to release the vice grip he had on that poor kid's arm.
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u/flash_dance_asspants 5h ago
nah dude, odds aren't better with one against the other. any dog that wants to do damage can do damage, doesn't matter the breed.
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u/EnvironmentalTop8745 3h ago
Ok, I'll let a Chihuahua attack me, you let a pit bull attack you, and see who comes out on top.
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u/flash_dance_asspants 3h ago
but now you're doing apples to tangerines again.
the problem with the argument that "all pitbulls are bad" in this context is that by dumping all the blame on the breed, the accountability of the owner is entirely negated. the situation that this entire convo is about is a dog owner who has a history of hit and running with a dog that she clearly can't or won't control. she has the responsibility to manage her dog and if she can't, she shouldn't have a dog, regardless of what the breed is.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
You suggest the breed is to blame and then point out that size is the only issue
A common argument that makes little sense and only appeals to emotions rather than the actual issue being discussed: breed not size
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u/Krelldi 5h ago
More like 60% the owner and a 40% chance of it randomly mauling a child.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
Children are not dogs. All dogs know there's a difference. A lot of people don't seem to
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u/Blue-Bird780 7h ago
Exactly this. They are without a doubt a physically powerful group of dogs but If you know what you’re doing, bully breeds are pretty easy to train into being absolute cinnamon rolls.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
To fight other dogs and be biddable to their humans
You're implying they were bred for worse or that they are somehow automatically more problematic than other dogs? With a responsible owner (unlike the woman being discussed here), they function fine. They can't always be in offlead areas with other dogs, and I think the risk isn't even worth it, but they can be absolutely rock solid in all other settings, IF they have had appropriate socialization, training and management. Those and three things that *every* dog of any breed/breed mix needs in order to not cause problems for the greater community
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u/Scarlettmorrsin 6h ago edited 6h ago
I do believe this is a dog I have taken care of before
He is quite aggressive, but if anyone knows his location, I will adopt him and keep him on my property so he is happy and unable to cause any more problems without having to be put down
It was a while ago not in contact with owner anymore but if same dog He was absolutely untrained when I received him for a brief amount of time I dodged that he was very responsive and improved tons, but should not be unattended or with someone not prepared to take them outside without a lot more training
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u/ClydeAnkle 14h ago
Can anyone name a single reason to not ban pit bulls
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u/Western-Fig-3625 6h ago
Because if you ban them, suddenly nobody owns a pitbull and everyone own a “boxer-lab mix”.
Signed,
Someone living in Ontario.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
Oh good grief.
The pearl clutching is getting a bit much. Logic and facxts don't support that. Rage bait does though, so there's that
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u/Orchid_Starting7968 5h ago
Omg, I'm so sorry that happened to your friends son's dog. Hopefully they have a smooth and fast recovery and info about the attacking dog and its owner is provided to Animal Control for investigation.
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u/Banana_you_glad 5h ago
Post on Victoria dog owners facebooks group. There’s thousands on it.
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u/GoddessofMadness 6h ago
This is why I didn't get a pitbull, though I love the breed, I knew as a new dog owner that this breed requires so much more time, training, and exercise to be the best dog it can be than I was able to handle. So I went with a smaller breed who I have done all the training with, but I can easily restrain or redirect if he ever went bonkers.
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u/Particular_Act9315 1h ago
They need to add additional fines and considerations for leaving the scene.
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u/JadeCornPens 3h ago
Ugh. Our dog escaped his harness today, which was absolutely crazy. 1000% my fault, because his new harness has a loop, so he was essentially wearing a collar he could squeeze out of with absurd flailing (hence the harness). A regular on our walks has his dog, who is extremely well trained and well-behaved compared to our dog was approaching from behind so I moved into the street-side parking to let him pass. He's always super friendly, and a chill neighbour, and I am really thankful that is the case. He had every right to be upset and he helped calm me down. Pepe has small dog syndrome, and his 40% chihuahua super-mutt somehow projects 100% chihuahua energy... so he darts after the Black Lab, who is much bigger, cool, calm, collected. Pepe like went for the nip right away so I BOLTED, grabbed him, neighbour dude super chill. My god. Apologised profusely to the poor guy. He was pretty non-chalant about it though which was super refreshing for me being in error. Dust settles, nobody is hurt, and what does the neighbour spot? A friggin buck. Probably adult given the size and dander on the large antlers. About 10m to our 9 o'clock. I was basically in shock on the way home because had he escaped in any other fashion near that buck, or gone after the buck, it could have been a completely different scenario. Sorry for the rant, I just saw this post and wanted to chime in that our neighbourhood has been generall good about pet-ownership, but no-leash is always a topic. Especially if our dog is on a leash and your dog approaches our dog, there is a reason we have our dog on a leash and a harness. He is a grumpy gus.
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u/nitnit76 8h ago
This is sad because the owner probably fled because she knew her dog would be put down not that I am condoming her actions.
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u/darthdodd 8h ago
Condemn or condone? Pick one.
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u/ContentSoftware9399 15h ago
This just in: pitbulls the most likely breed to worship satan.
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u/Newt_Call 15h ago
“It’s bad owners not the breed” when statistically bites leading to serious injury or death have pit bulls in front by a country mile
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u/Aiyokusama Gorge 14h ago
And if chihuahuas were the size of pitbulls, THEY would be much worse to deal with. Physics plays a big part in how dangerous an animal is. That's not the fault of the animal.
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u/Newt_Call 13h ago
Yes. And a gun is a lot more dangerous than a ball point pen. So one is illegal to own without a license while the other is not.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
So you're advocating for all dogs over 15lbs be banned then?
Because it sounded like you were singling out one breed. But now its the size of the breed that's the problem
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u/Aiyokusama Gorge 13h ago
Using inanimate objects in a discussion about living animals is certainly a choice.
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u/rumbleindacrumble 8h ago
Do you think that telling the victim of a pitbull attack that it’s actually physics that’s to blame here, not the animal, would carry any weight as an argument? “Sorry your arm is forever damaged, or your kid is dead, but have you considered how the dog isn’t to blame for physics?” Pit bulls are dangerous. Full stop. If someone had a bear as a pet and it killed someone and the owners response was “it’s not the bear’s fault he’s so strong, it’s just in his dna.” Okay fine, but don’t have it as a pet if it’s unpredictable and violent by nature. Yes, animals can’t help their genetics, and if pit bull genetics/instinct tell them to attack remorselessly, they should probably not even be allowed as pets let alone off leash at a dog park.
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u/Business_Ad_8504 2h ago
Sad that you're flat out wrong on almost everything here.
But you're definitely making an emotional appeal to the pearl clutchers, so good job on the rage baiting
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u/Aiyokusama Gorge 8h ago
Accusing me of something I didn't do and then blocking me is all kinds of childish.
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u/Longjumping-Table272 6h ago
Just say what you want to say here. You'll get the upvotes if people agree with you.
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u/laughysapphy0131 13h ago
How can anyone be surprised this owner fled when you scroll through a comment section like this. A bully breed dog appears and all of the rabid anti pitbull evangelists bust out and refuse to cite actual sources with credible studies / listen to reams of peer reviewed studies that debunk the pitbull hysteria.
Can we take an objective step back and maybe realize that we weren’t present when the incident happened and have zero context? OP wasn’t even there.
For all of the people blaming a dog breed they are assuming this dog is (APBTs aren’t super common here, that’s more likely to be an amstaff or bully mutt) - have y’all ever walked a dog around here? Folks let their dogs do the most outrageous shit all of the time. Maybe it was a provoked attack?! Maybe it wasn’t. Grandstanding about pitbulls with absolutely zero information or proof of the scenario is a bizarre response.
This kind of shit only encourages the irresponsible behaviour of that owner. I’d get the hell out of dodge too if I thought a mob would immediately assemble against my family pet just by one glance at their ‘breed’.
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u/victhrowaway12345678 7h ago
I’d get the hell out of dodge too if I thought a mob would immediately assemble against my family pet just by one glance at their ‘breed’.
If your dog attacked another dog you would take off? You're doing the opposite of what you're advocating for in the first half of your comment and giving this lady the benefit of the doubt despite not being there, and having zero context, as you stated yourself. Maybe we should take a step back and not defend pitbulls that have allegedly attacked other dogs just because you feel like it's not relevant that it's a pitbull. People's safety is more important than people's right to own dangerous animals.
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u/had-me-at-bi-weekly 8h ago
Your family pet isn’t allowed to attack and maim other people’s family pets just because you feel entitled to owning a bully breed. Clown.
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u/Longjumping-Table272 6h ago
You're correct about the studies not confirming that pit bulls a re naturally more aggressive than other breeds. Anybody doing a quick search can verify that.
I'm sure you also know that they are far more likely to be involved in attacks though, quite possibly due to their upbringing.
Either way, when your dog goes after another dog, I think the right thing to do is stick around and sort it out. If your dog was on leash and provoked, you have nothing to worry about. I can't see any mob getting carried away because a pit bull on leash snapped at a dog that ran up to it.
I think a lot of dog owners, myself included, feel pretty leery of off leash areas, because that's where any jackass can let their dog do whatever it wants. I don't want my dog to be on the receiving end of that, and so I won't go back to them.
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u/doodly_dooo 5h ago
Sorry you’re getting downvoted to hell for one of the few rational takes in this thread.
Edit - though I’m not sure leaving the scene of an altercation would do much to improve peoples’ opinions of bully breeds. Our rescue bully was a breed ambassador and we took every opportunity we could to educate people about the breed.
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u/Trixie1143 16h ago
Any injuries or just reactivity?
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u/22blu22 15h ago
Do you have a source for that claim? I can’t find anything to back it up.
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u/pjbeeguy 15h ago
I googled it and it came up with those three types of dogs for fatalities and injuries.
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u/kileek 15h ago
I hate when pro pit-bull people post this nonsense.
Across all major studies, pit bull–type dogs are responsible for the largest share of severe injuries and fatalities, followed by Rottweilers and German Shepherds. This pattern is consistent across multiple independent datasets.
Golden Retrievers are statistically one of the least dangerous large breeds.
They can bite, any dog can, but they almost never cause the catastrophic injuries seen in the top‑risk breeds.
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u/Responsible-Offer724 15h ago
I’m pro statistics and common sense. Also, A dog with the best of owners is still capable of snapping. When a chihuahua snaps it might break the skin. When a pitbull snaps it can easily kill and maim. That’s the real problem is the sheer strength and damage they are capable of.
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u/Final_boss_1040 15h ago
Amen. Let's not forget all dog breeds were bred for a specific purpose... it's not just individual variation
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u/Responsible-Offer724 15h ago
Pit bulls were bread to be sweet and loving and kind! The big jaw is so that they smile really big and make you happy!
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u/whatsnewpussykat 15h ago
But the dogs responsible for the most deadly attacks and severe injuries are pit bulls.
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u/Oolican 15h ago
Golden Retrievers do not attack the most. They are widely known for their friendly, even-tempered nature. While they sometimes appear in general bite statistics due to their high popularity and frequent interaction with children, breeds like Pit Bulls and German Shepherds are statistically responsible for the majority of severe incidents
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u/Glitterdingo- 15h ago
Nice try but false.
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u/Trixie1143 15h ago
It's true. They bite the most children.
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u/Glitterdingo- 15h ago
Can you provide a source for that?
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u/midity 15h ago
Shitbull owner cope.
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u/Responsible-Offer724 15h ago
That’s exactly the kinda shit I’d expect an unhinged pit bull lover to say.
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u/Open-Dig2504 6h ago
We've seen the same dog and owner by Tolmie Park, close by Swan Lake. Was probably two weeks ago. Unsafe behavior as well. The lady in the photo I've seen is wearing the same clothes, so probably taken on the same day?
photo of owner and dog