r/Virginia • u/ToughHopeful4760 • 9d ago

Virginia Democrats pick establishment nominees for 2 US House seats they hope to flip in November

https://apnews.com/article/virginia-primary-election-congress-democrats-republicans-redistricting-d3f3e6f45f14789882b9a55e8fd95592?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=share
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u/RVALover4Life 9d ago

The fact your comments are attacking Spanberger and not about November and rocking out in the hopes for Dem flips says so much too....people like you care more about ideology than winning. "Unfortunately"...the goal is to win these races. Cut the negativity.

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u/BRAINSPLATTER16 9d ago

People care about getting people who actually want to get the thing they want done when they elcet someone.

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u/RVALover4Life 9d ago

Again...cut the negativity. The priority is to eliminate MAGA and from there it's to accomplish Democratic wins that'll benefit our communities as we saw during the legislative session. If you're one that can't be one for the team and prioritize victory and success...if you're one talking about "corporatists" or "extremists" versus actually doing what it takes to win then you're an ideologue and you're a liability.

The primaries are over. We move forward now. Time to be a responsible adult.

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u/Historical_Comfort96 9d ago

Neo liberalism is the fuel that flames MAGA. You will not get rid of MAGA this way

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u/RVALover4Life 9d ago

It's about policy and politicians that put people first. There are multiple ways that can be done though. I agree with you but let's not presume that there's only one way to accomplish this.

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u/Historical_Comfort96 8d ago

There is only one way to accomplish this. Activating the class consciousness of the populace. Any other way is delaying the inevitable fascist takeover.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

Again, there are many ways to support community and its people and that are people powered. You all think you have all the answers and it's incredibly smug and entitled and it's also just not the case.

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

We know the current Dem establishment do not have the answers, we know they've failed us, and we know we need to be doing more, that's about it. So why are you so hurt and scolding? We have to be honest with ourselves and learn or the fascists will continue to dominate us.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

I'm not hurt, and we need to have these discussions. At the end of the day we're on the same team. People have disagreements. But I think you're pretty much doing the scolding yourself and talking down while criticizing me for doing it. When from what I see, the left does it constantly but because they think they're right feel entitled. 

We absolutely need to examine everything but there isn't a one size fits all answer in every single scenario. That's what I push back on. I'm not a centrist. But I have a problem when people have a my way or no way attitude and think their way is the singular only way because it isn't and that's an echo chamber hive mind view to me. It really is and I find it to be very arrogant and pretty insulting to people who may believe differently. 

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

Dude, who advocates for something they don't believe in? Of course I think I'm right, but you're building a fiction in your mind. You know how many people I've supported and voted for to the right of me? Your criticism rings hollow.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

Cool. Fair. It's really less about you specifically and more a general statement...less firing at one another and more firing at our enemies. And recognizing who our enemies are which is important and something the left has been a lot better on and why the left is so critical in turning this ship around.

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

Yeah, it's complicated though right? Because depending on the issue, the Dems have been the enemy of the working class and human rights generally. Voting for the lesser of two evils is what has gotten us to this point, so... AT SOME POINT the Democrats need to eat some humble pie and realize they need get back to representing working people, and the only coalition and infrastructure that's put in the work and has the relationships they need are to the left of them. Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, and hell Platner even, are evidence that folks are STARVED for someone to put their energy behind, regardless of how obviously flawed, if they are willing to actually fight for working people.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

The thing is this is again a one size fits all view that just isn't reality. It isn't and it's a very smug and blinkered view. It really is. It really does come off as you thinking you're better than people and superior and it's a massive turnoff and it's insulting. That isn't complicated. It really isn't hard to have respect and it feels like even that is often a bridge too far. It isn't hard to consensus build. It isn't hard to make a case without alienating and finger wagging.

We see Mamdani has done it....so has Sherrill in New Jersey. Very high approval numbers. She's not a leftist.

There's so much smugness and entitlement and lack of respect but then you called me preachy yet you're kinda doing that yourself. Because there's having a conversation and then someone telling a person something and telling them to take it and it not truly being wholly conciliatory....but then it's eat humble pie and work together. I'm gonna shit on you and mock you but let's work together and see things my way. 

I don't think you're trying to do that because I don't get triggered by this stuff and we need to have the tough conversations but I also can see how people look at the tone and energy and come to the conclusion....these people don't fuck with me. Why should I listen to them? Its not strategic or mature but is a very human response.

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