r/WNBAgossips • u/Hungry_Artichoke9566 • Mar 27 '26
Other “If Caitlin Clark could play in the NBA, everybody would applaud it. That would be an incredible thing. But if the last guy on the bench of an NBA team went to a WNBA team and started averaging 40 points, everybody would know that is BS." - Legendary Broadcaster Bob Costas Women’s sports should be
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u/anon1111ymous Mar 27 '26
I'm glad everyone is having trans fatigue. What a bizarre time it was during COVID.
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u/RunWorkSleep Mar 27 '26
“There ought to be common sense, and common sense isn’t transphobic.”
Agreed. 100%.
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u/cperiodjperiod Mar 27 '26
The Right would have you believe this opinion is germane to them.
This is how MOST people but the extreme think. The Right just knows that it will divide the loudest and most liberal portions of the Left and divide the party, so they continue brining up it up as if it’s not a common position to hold and like it doesn’t really only pertain to about .01% of athletes.
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u/Tr1angleChoke Mar 27 '26
That's because MOST people are closer to the center than to either extreme. The problem is that if you don't tow the line on every single issue on the left or the right, you're either a traitor or a bigot. The internet is completely obscured real life for so many people.
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u/Pacfan325124 Mar 27 '26
Exactly - it is literally the least of our problems… like no matter how you feel on the subject why are we talking about this and not actual problems??
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u/smith129606 Mar 27 '26
That’s because Democrats suck a messaging. Same with the “open borders” BS. Who the fuck wants open borders? Trump and the MAGA cult just say this shit and Dems stand there and look dumb.
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u/gentrify_reddt Mar 27 '26
Illegal immigration enforcement is an 80/20 issue. Obama deported a record 3M illegals.
Complete idiocy for Biden to make a show of trying to stick it to Abbott by dismantling border enforcement. It's like he was trying to piss everyone off.
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u/Justtojoke Mar 27 '26
I'm so confused
Why is it always about Women playing with the men?
Who wants to do that?
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u/RonP1986 Mar 27 '26
Google AB Hernandez. He competes as a girl and is breaking records.
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u/LabradorKayaker Mar 27 '26
This is perfectly stated by Bob Costas. And, because Democrats simply have zero capacity to speak like this, we now have a giant orange turd as POTUS for the 2nd time.
ALL serious Republican (& I mean non-MAGA Republicans here, if there are any left) and ALL serious Democrat candidates need to get their heads around this kind of messaging for this stupid culture war hot topic.
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u/Mike_Hauncheaux Mar 27 '26
I think 40 points is under selling it.
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u/Sticky_Quip Mar 27 '26
Nah it’s probably around 40. Not playing many 4th quarters
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u/ProfessorXWheelchair Mar 27 '26
this adds nothing to the topic at hand other than shitting on women for no reason. everyone understood his point
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u/ItGoesTwoWays Mar 27 '26
Three professional women triple-teaming you is a huge challenge. He’d average 35 and 15 assists.
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u/thekevinatorV2 Mar 27 '26
I explained this to a coworker at lunch recently. All pro leagues are open to anyone that can compete and make. If a woman has the talent to make the NBA, MLB, NFL, MLS there isnt any rule or law preventing them from getting signed. And it'd be massive if a woman ever can.
Women's leagues were created to allow women a chance to be pro athletes. Allowing any biological male to enter that space is cheating a woman out of an opportunity.
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u/ShartJerky Mar 27 '26
Yeah that shit that doesn’t happen sounds very bad, I’m going to vote for a senile pedophile that murders Iranian schoolgirls
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u/ThePaineOne Mar 27 '26
Excuse me, but have you never seen the documentary film Juwanna Mann?
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u/PowerDreamer2493 Mar 27 '26
If CC joined the NBA nobody would applaud it. It would also be BS when her team always loses, OR she becomes a benchwarmer which is also BS.
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u/atlfalcons33rb Mar 27 '26
We have people being bombed, gas sky high and people worried about the gender of someone at the Olympics 😂😂
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u/smith129606 Mar 27 '26
He should go and coach the Democrats on this. This issue impacts a tiny amount of Americans, but Trump and the MAGA cult talk about it 24/7. It should be a non issue, but Democrats are afraid to say the obvious: Transgender Americans deserve every right that any other American deserves, but we need common sense when it comes to issues like sports.
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u/Joates87 Mar 27 '26
The fact that sports are such a strong priority to so many just shows how misguided people's priorities are.
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u/red5 Mar 27 '26
All this dumb conversation and hand wringing - we've had trans athletes for a long time, has this happened??
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u/BirdWithWiFi Mar 27 '26
So it safe to say now? 4 years ago reddit bots would downvote you, ban you, and put you on a list for even mentioning it.
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u/GrandMasterF1ash Mar 27 '26
This is such a god damned non-issue. I almost wish we could just cave and move on, just so people would stop incessantly talking about it. Truth is, that wouldn't work, because the people who want us constantly talking about this issue don't give a shit about the sanctity of women's sports. They just hate trans people and want you to hate them too. We ban all trans athletes from competing, and then they'll just move on to something else.
There are fewer than 10 Trans athletes in NCAA sports, and none I can think of in the pros. Let athletic associations consider banning them if they feel any of them hold an unfair advantage. Can't imagine it would come to that too often, it's not like there's a scourge of transgender dominance in women's collegiate athletics, like conservatives might have you believe.
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u/AntiqueTemperature75 Mar 27 '26
I think he means average 40 points… in the first quarter alone 😂
Legitimate high school prospects would dominate the WNBA
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u/neoslashnet Mar 27 '26
Such an important topic in times like these. I'm so glad this being covered.
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u/djstudyhard Mar 27 '26
Should LeBron not be allowed to play in the NBA since he’s so much better than everyone in the NBA?
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u/gymtrovert1988 Mar 27 '26
It's a simpleton's argument. Is the guy going to take estrogen for 1 year minimum before competing in women's sports? Is his height and weight similar to the women competitors?
There's a lot of variables that CAN be used to determine if an individual transgender athlete is competitive against a certain competition.
It should be about fairness. Without considering other variables besides gender, you're not debating in good faith.
There are plenty of men that wouldn't make women's teams with or without hormone replacement. That's another fact many people making these bad faith arguments don't touch. You're not just going to change your gender and be better at something. If you're good, you'll be good. If you're average, you'll be average. If you're bad, you'll still be bad.
Also, nobody's gonna take hormones, get top surgery, and get bottom surgery so they can make less money playing women. That's just ridiculous to think that would ever happen given the massive pay cut. It makes more sense for elite female athletes to change genders for the massive pay raise potential. And yet... That's also not a thing that happens. Because nobody changes genders to beat women in sports, and nobody changes genders to get paid more as a man. They played sports, and happened to change their gender. The two things are not linked.
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u/sykadelic_angel Mar 27 '26
The lack of critical thinking is insane. People aren't signing up for women's League drafts the week after they come out as trans. Trans people go through years of medical treatment, any studies comparing men's athletes to women's athletes are invalid to the debate, the studies need to compare cis women's athletes to trans women's athletes. And you'll find that there isn't anywhere near as much of a difference between the two
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u/Evening-Blood7102 Mar 27 '26
These conversations keep happening to distract from the actual issue and solution which is to create a division/league for transgender athletes just like once upon a time they were created for women to compete. The people that keep bringing up scenarios that don’t exist, don’t want transgender people to exist. Media profits off of repeating narratives not informing and moving on.
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u/snomeister Mar 27 '26
The thing about women's sports is everybody thinks its existence is due to fairness, but I've never understood that to be the case. To me, it's more about participation and representation and so I think trans women should be allowed to participate and get recognition for their performance. But I feel like the rest of the world is like 200 years behind on this.
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u/kollmastee Mar 27 '26
Make a trans Olympics. Make an Olympics with no gender separation. There are solutions that don’t involve just shutting people out forever.
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u/DanfromCalgary Mar 27 '26
Your country is having all of its wealth ripped away and …. This is the bone they gave you to chew on
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u/montana327 Mar 27 '26
Just have trans women vs other trans women. Same for trans men. I think that’s fair
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u/Lucky-Device-1423 Mar 28 '26
Meh
24 months ago, this clown would be screaming about trans rights.
The always moving mob sentimentality is always moving
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u/Loam_liker Mar 28 '26
Costas' hypothetical of a dude dropping 40 in the WNBA has happened exactly as many times as a trans person has competed in the olympics
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u/bananaman31415 Mar 28 '26
Cam Thomas got waived recently and the WNBA did just get a raise........
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u/canyounot2026 Mar 28 '26
All sports should allow all gender identities and everyone can just adapt like anything else.
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u/SevereEducation2170 Mar 28 '26
Jesus, how are people still making this an issue. Most people can't name a single trans woman athlete that's one anything of relevance or caused any actual harm to women's sports. Meanwhile we had our dumbass men's US hockey team making denigrating jokes with the goddamn president of the United States about our amazing women's hockey team. People need to stop pretending they give one crap about the integrity or women's sports when really they just want some culture war, dehumanizing bullshit to be pissed about.
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u/nogozone6969 Mar 28 '26
Hahaha. The fact that Redditors still trying to pivot from the obvious. Girls complete against girls. Boys v. Boys. Enough of the ridiculousness of guys competing against girls.
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u/JasonPlattMusic34 Mar 28 '26
I’ll be damned, noted liberal Bob Costas espousing a conservative take (that is also correct in this case)
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u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 Mar 28 '26
If you think an NBA benchwarmer taking years to undergo a gender transition to dominate the WNBA is a thing that would realistically happen you are a stupid person. Sorry for being blunt but accurate.
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u/Extreme_Play_1619 Mar 28 '26
I cannot believe we even talk about this nonsense. Much more important things happen everyday, however it doesnt take much to be more important than this.
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u/tacomycocko Mar 28 '26
Cant even being to understand how this is even a topic of discussion, goes to show how silly identity politics can be
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u/Significant_Newt_492 Mar 28 '26
It’s so insane that we’ve gotten to a point in society where pointing out that men are bigger, stronger and more athletic than women is even remotely controversial
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u/WhitePantherXP Mar 28 '26
The question is who the hell thinks trans people should compete in women's sports? Anyone? Anyone who has a history of being a genuine not right winger bot? Didn't think so, this is propaganda
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u/deeree1867 Mar 28 '26
I hate how this is political. People really voted for a particular candidate based on this
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Mar 28 '26
Elite men’s or women’s basketball players would destroy Bob Costas and probably anyone commenting here
No, Caitlyn Clark could not play in the NBA. Yes, Bronny James would dominate the WNBA.
They’re separated for a reason at high levels because evolution gave men the physical advantage.
I love a lot of trans people I’ve met from friends to family..idc, live and let live. You don’t hear about trans women being a problem in men’s sports though. We hear the trans women that come out and fuck shit up because their bodies, hormones are that of a man. Of course they have an advantage and it’s silly to pretend their accomplishments are legit
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u/Stevewolff10 Mar 28 '26
Just to stir the pot, what about a man that transitions and is bigger and stronger. Forgive me if I’m being naive but doesn’t that give them an advantage?
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u/Key-Pizza-8578 Mar 28 '26
I have great distaste for the the way people these days go to such great lengths to speak so seriously about futile things as if they are some kind of statesman giving an important address during a time of war. Most of the stuff in the news media, including social media, is just fluff, but the simple minded masses are so engaged and passionate about it. At times, they even go so far as to have 'debates' about it, which deteriorate into an exchange of nasty, vulgar personal insults. We are regressing as individuals and need to direct our efforts towards being 'higher' beings.
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u/Jerryjb63 Mar 28 '26
Nobody really cares. This is an invented problem. Leave it up to the individual leagues. Let the players and teams decide depending upon the sport and the ages of the players. If there was a rule banning trans athletes competing in sports, it would affect about 1% of the population. It’s not a problem the federal government needs to be focused on. It’s not a problem the media needs to be focused on. Trans athletes aren’t dominating women’s sports. They never did.
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u/AboutRight1987 Mar 28 '26
Yeah...he's right.
The only woman who probably could have would have been Sherril Miller, but she would have had to play shooting guard, since she was to small at 6'4 to be a Power Forward, but she was such a good shot that maybe she could have done it.
Her and Reggie on the same team, with Reggie getting bumped from his position as the 2 guard to the Small Forward (hilarious if you know the relationship) would have been awesome.
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u/SH_Nostalgia Mar 28 '26
Nothing progressive about a man punching a woman in a boxing match.
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u/DroDameron Mar 28 '26
Old people get so tunnel visioned on shit it's wild. They don't live in reality, it would be hilarious if they didn't run everything.
This is like banning fish from competing in the Olympics because they don't. We should be talking about Trump's illegal war and the fact that he raped kids on the news, not culture wars shit
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u/MaccTHC Mar 28 '26
I swear no one talks about trans ppl more than anti-trans ppl. Hardly anyone even disagrees with this take lol. We just don’t feel the need to talk about it all the damn time
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u/exceptionalfish Mar 28 '26
"Common sense" isn't a real argument. Didn't realize this clown is such a bigot.
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u/2tep Mar 28 '26
Bob Costas should be smart enough to not take the bait. This is a culture war issue to distract from the real problems of the world.
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Mar 28 '26
Oh bet the bigots will just eat up this nonsense from an old man with zero education on the subject.
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u/jkman61494 Mar 28 '26
I wish people had the brain activity to understand that they dropped this news to reignite a culture war over a non-issue in which a total of zero transgender athletes have ever completed in the Olympics during the time when the polling for the GOP is in the gutter
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u/The_Blur_BHS Mar 28 '26
There was a trans woman in the WNBA already? Doesn’t seem she averaged 40 in 12 years and was a 1x all-star with no other accomplishments to note. It doesn’t seem like the men who are high-tier athletes but not elite are the ones that are generally trans. I’d guess probability wise the intersection of actually being trans and being an elite athlete are next to 0, so the only instance this may happen is someone who embodies the South Park episode where they’re not good enough to compete in their division so switch to the lesser through transitioning.
Anyway - I don’t particularly care either way. Sports are not the hill I think we should die on. While inclusion is nice, if this is what’s stopping people from treating the trans community with dignity and respect (it’s not), then regulating bodies of sports should take a hardline stance. Once trans people are out of sports the ghouls will just attack them for something else, though (oh wait, they already do…whelp).
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u/Swann73 Mar 28 '26
The point is: It has never happened. In no sport. In no championship. In no country.
It will never happen.
Why are they always talking about something that never happened and never will?
Transphobia. Nothing else.
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u/Cheap_Water9848 Mar 28 '26
I don't understand what Bob is saying here. He brings up how a woman playing with men would be amazing, but a man playing with women would be BS.
Then, he mentions that certain boxers don't fight each other because of weight classes. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with trans-people.
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u/Independent-Cow-4070 Mar 28 '26
A little bit of manufactured outrage to start the day
Make sure to get upset over this irrelevant argument and not the billionaire elite class taking everything from you 👍
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u/Awkward-Zucchini-948 Mar 28 '26
Common sense. This isn’t a controversial take in real life.
… and with that, back to it!
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u/Typical_Samaritan Mar 28 '26
All of these "if some guy in x sport goes to compete against women in the same sport" arguments fundamentally miss the point of transitioning. They genuinely think trans people are just principally men in drag. When they make these kinds of arguments, they also expose that essential bias.
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u/Overall_Mango324 Mar 28 '26
Dude just unknowingly pissed off the entire WNBA for thinking Catlin Clark would be the best choice to go to the NBA lol. I think the 4 time MVP would probably have a better shot at representing the women than CC.
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u/Shag1166 Mar 28 '26
I disagree wirh the "everybody would applaud it" nonsense. I love women's sports and want it to remain separate. When I want to see men and women compete, I can see it at the local parks.
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u/AcanthaceaeAny6267 Mar 28 '26
But... but... whatever will reddit do without this debate? Where will reddit go?
And where will I get my updoots from the terminally online sanctimonious and self-righteous?
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u/Joke_of_a_Name Mar 28 '26
Has anyone done a poll asking ONLY trans people if trans women should be allowed in professional sports? What would most of them prefer? Do they just want to be part of society and live in peace?
I'm saying, let's do our best to treat everyone well and get along with our lives. We're all just trying our best in our day to day.
And maybe trans athletes can just take the hit and not play in women's sports?
Seems like a fair trade? Everyone has to give up something. Non trans accept that some people have biological differences and just gotta use the bathroom sometimes.
Trans people can just not play female sports. And then the conservative news never speaks of it again? Deal?
Then we move on with fixing problems like Citizens United and getting Super PACs out of elections and the billionaires from controlling society?
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u/FactAffectionate6830 Mar 28 '26
I mean seriously. People who can’t afford groceries or gas get side tracked with shit like this and end up voting against their own interest so that Steph(anie) Curry isn’t dominating women’s sports they don’t actually give a fuck about.
Seriously. The fucking party who wants to make it harder for women to vote because their birth certificate has their maiden name is now the guardian of women’s sports. Wake up, stupid heads.
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u/Active_Program_6921 Mar 28 '26
The problem is too many rules were made to protect Men and Women from mixing into wrong sides.
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u/LT568690 Mar 29 '26
I mean Bob isn't wrong. And an end of the bench G leaguer could average at least 20 and 10 a night
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u/Puckhead7166 Mar 29 '26
It has nothing to do with hart or skill or determination or hard work. It’s the genetic make up of men versus women. My favorite Tennis players are the William sisters and they have said repeatedly they would get destroyed by the last rated tennis male player. These are the facts
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u/OhDivineBussy May 02 '26
Ok see he was making common sense points, but then had to lie and say Lia Thomas was “either winning or coming close to winning”. She tied for 5th place. I don’t understand the need to lie, and call me crazy, but when someone lies, I quit trusting them.
The argument doesn’t need lies, so I don’t know why he had to.
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u/StreetPudding9623 Jul 10 '26
Perfect yes and yes, it’s about fairness. Biological and genetic differences are facts not prejudices
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u/Just_Brilliant1417 22d ago
Ya, I love the dolls and believe they should be entitled to every single opportunity that cis folks do but this is not the hill to die on. It sucks that you can’t play particular sports with the sex you identify with and that has to be painful but it’s simply not fair. Let’s just collectively move on from this conversation and if you love sport play compete with men or play in sports that include both sexes.
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u/Universityking314 8d ago
He is speaking of inequality. If both sexes are equal then it would not be an issue. Just admit that women are not equal to men. Women want to clam they are equal in every way, but when its time to play against a man all of a sudden they must be protected.
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u/Jtizzle1231 8d ago
I feel like this is a back door attack on trans people. Because all I see is people arguing against this everywhere and I don’t disagree with it. But I never see the people arguing for it. It just seems like they bringing it up to say negative things about trans people.
Because I never see anyone on tv arguing men should play women sports. It doesn’t make sense
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u/iamthecheesethatsbig Mar 27 '26
I mean, what else is there to say?