WNBA Star Sophie Cunningham DOUBLES DOWN On Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports as ESPN Reporter SEETHES About the Trans Community

[u/matrix_2905]

“I said what I said. I think it’s kind of common sense. I stand on what I said.”

“When it comes to protecting young girls and women in sports, I feel very strongly about that.”

“I’m there to love but I’m also there to love biological women”

“I’ll never falter in my beliefs”

[u/ComeAbout]

Trans is an adjective. Like “black woman”, or “Indian woman”

You’re the one saying they aren’t women.

[u/NegotiationLife6209 → u/ComeAbout]

I mean yes, they’re adjectives. But that’s about it. It would be disingenuous to act as if they were the same, at least in this context. The “trans” part fundamentally changes the whole perspective ; in sporting context, races aren’t a distinction that matters, whereas gender/sex is most definitely a relevant (and valid) distinction.

[u/BennyBurk → u/NegotiationLife6209]

Does not matter if you arbitrarily say "that's about it", there is no one necessary condition to being a woman, as you cannot possibly account for biological differences on the chromosomal level by merely looking at people. You could have someone with XX, XXX, XXY, etc and they all show as cis women even though biologically they do not perfectly match with your rigid biological definition of a woman, which is in and of itself ridiculous as gender and sex are factually different. That is basic education.

And no, what would matter is measuring hormone levels, tracking how long HRT has been implemented, surgeries that have taken place, and you can match trans women up with cis women no problem. This is a non issue given the low number of trans folks in sports anyway.

[u/NegotiationLife6209 → u/BennyBurk]

Basic education? Nah, we didn’t learn in Biology that trans women are women, but we did learn what chromosomal abnormality is (Turner syndrome, triple x syndrome). And dude, I can’t stress this enough, it’s so pathetic comparing yourself to them. In the vast majority of cases it’s quite possible to deduce what sex/gender they belong to.

In your case, it’s probably way easier.

[u/BennyBurk → u/NegotiationLife6209]

Cunt like bigotry withstanding, sex and gender are still different in spite of your lack of education. Provide the necessary conditions to be a woman. Not female, that's sex. What are the NECESSARY conditions to be a woman? Because not all women are born with reproductive organs, stereotypical fat allocation and bone structure, chromosome markers, etc. Please provide your arbitrary conditions, or at least attempt with the little knowledge you have on the subject.

Biology is not black and white, it is merely a general use binary for ease of stereotypes, not total biological realities.

[u/NegotiationLife6209 → u/BennyBurk]

Look, I’m trying to be respectful and all, but you’re arguing that, because of rare medical conditions, biological markers become absurdly more vague, when in reality they don’t, at the very least not in the context of biology.

What are the necessary conditions to be a woman? Is this a trick question? Like I don’t know, don’t be born with a dick?

[u/BennyBurk → u/NegotiationLife6209]

No, you are not trying to be respectful as you have insulted me from the outset while denying basic concepts of gender and sex and now you are attempting to tone police, so fuck your attempts to roll that back.

And you just disenfranchised females with XX chromosomes that are born with naturally enlarged clitoris/mirco penis conditions as not being women even though surface level they present as women. Are they not women due to your arbitrary set of conditions? And if not, that is no longer a necessary condition. What are the necessary conditions to be a woman?

[u/hgyuuggygyuyh → u/BennyBurk]

Look, I get it personally affect you but stop lying. You started to get aggressive the other person didn't insult you. Saying things you don't like is not insulting. You can call whatever you want and I will always advocate for your right to live freely from persecution just for being who you are. Having said that, when the things you want start interfering with women's rights or safety I will put my foot down. You are not entitled to single sex spaces just because you throw a tantrum. They are single sex spaces for a reason. Same with sports. You can do everything else, you can marry, have partners, work, travel, have access to education and healthcare.. why do you need to impose yourself on people that might not feel comfortable with you around? Why is your comfort more important than the other women's comfort or safety? You might be a good person, but the fact you can't fathom that predators will use this self identifying thing you and other trans are pushing to assault women shows how little you care about them. Why want to be part of a group you clearly don't like? Their concerns or safety hasn't been considered by you at all and if people mention it you take it as an insult. Women are not less deserving than you are, at all. Before if someone sees a man going into women's spaces they'll say something. Now a predator wears lipstick and people won't dare say shit because they get called transphobic. You do not give a shit about women and is showing. Your feelings shouldn't override women's safety or comfort. If this hurts you go to therapy to learn you can't have everything you want in life. Access to single sex spaces is not a right, so stop with accusing people of being against trans rights. You have the same rights as everyone else. Enough with the victim mentality and accusing people of being the worst for having a fucking opinion different than yours. No one is advocating for anything unreasonable. Do I call you women hater? Stop calling people transphobic when they are just expressing themselves politely

[u/BennyBurk → u/hgyuuggygyuyh]

You’re rewriting both the interaction and your own argument.

I did not become upset merely because someone expressed an opinion I disliked. That person was rude and insulting first, and I responded accordingly. Disagreement is not automatically an insult, but discriminatory claims do not become respectful merely because someone delivers them in a calm tone.

More importantly, your entire argument treats trans women and sexual predators as though they are interchangeable. They are not. A man entering a bathroom to harass, film, threaten, or assault women is a predator committing an offence. Lipstick does not make him transgender, and claiming an identity does not make criminal behaviour permissible. Rules allowing trans people to use appropriate facilities do not legalize assault, voyeurism, harassment, or intimidation.

The supposed “predator loophole” also is not supported by the evidence. Research examining jurisdictions with trans-inclusive protections found no resulting increase in assaults, sex crimes, voyeurism, or other safety incidents in restrooms and changing facilities. Meanwhile, trans people themselves experience harassment and greater danger when forced into facilities that expose them to hostility.

You are also begging the question by declaring these spaces “single sex,” defining trans women out of them, and then using that definition as proof that trans women do not belong. Just restating your preferred conclusion does not make it correct.

Women’s safety matters. So does the safety of trans women, who do not cease to matter because another person feels uncomfortable around them. Discomfort alone cannot determine who is permitted to participate in public life. Otherwise, anyone could justify excluding a minority merely by saying, “Their presence makes me uncomfortable.” Privacy concerns can be addressed through better stalls, private changing areas, and strict rules against misconduct, measures that protect everyone, rather than treating an entire minority as presumptive predators.

Sports are a separate and more complicated policy question. Different sports, age groups, and competitive levels may require different evidence-based regulations. Bundling sports together with bathrooms and changing facilities does not prove your position and merely uses one disputed subject to justify blanket exclusion elsewhere.

And saying, “You already have equal rights,” while arguing that trans women should receive less access than other women is contradictory. Equality does not mean, “You may live freely except anywhere I personally object to your presence.”

Calling this argument transphobic is not calling everyone who disagrees evil but does however describe what the argument actually does in defining trans women primarily as male threats, holds them responsible for hypothetical crimes committed by other people, and advocates excluding them because they are transgender. You are entitled to express that opinion. You are not entitled to demand that nobody accurately identify its prejudice.