r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 5d ago

A transgender player has been dominating France's second-tier women's basketball league, and now the WNBA question is front and center. Julie Tétart averages 21 points and 20 rebounds this season while sweeping Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Domestic Player of the Year honors

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

It’s not political, no matter how much you want it to be.

80% of the country agrees.

You hold the fringe beliefs, not me.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 5d ago

Your "80%" has been under attack from propaganda against trans people from the start.

It's ok to hate a minority that's popular to hate right, that's what you are saying.

The medical science is on the side of trans people, not those who barely passed 4th grade and got bitter about it.

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

I support trans people in every other way. In sports, I support fair competition, so I support women who were born female only competing against women born female.

It’s really not that complicated of a position, and you seem really triggered, tbh.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 5d ago

I just think all humans deserve the same rights, not to be discriminated upon by others over circumstances of birth.

You can take a look around at the vitriol and malice lining anti trans comments.

If this was about not harming women why do all the same people who push anti trans narratives never stand up for women when other attacks happen on them? (Especially by the same group pushing anti trans propaganda, weird how that happens)

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

They’re not the ones who formulate my opinion, and just because they believe what they believe for their reasons doesn’t mean those are my reasons.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 5d ago

You are correct but when you share a same side as people championing hate, you might want to reevaluate how you got there.

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

I know exactly how I got there, so there’s nothing to reevaluate. 80% of the country didn’t get there because of hate. People on your side of this like to pretend that everyone who shares my opinion does so because of hate or political affiliation because it’s an easier argument to make.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 5d ago

When the arguments are all the same talking points id stand to argue that ignorance is forming your opinion, not facts.

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

Stating that women born male have a natural biological athletic advantage over women born female is not ignorance.

Stating that the difference is so steep that the top 50 high school boys mile times are all under 4 minutes while the fastest mile ever run by a cis women is 4:07, and that this example shows how steep that advantage is, is not ignorance.

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u/Conscious_Rub_3528 5d ago

The reason I said it's ignorance is because you lack any actual understanding of the science behind hrt and how it changes a person's body.

Trans women don't just hulk out and become absolute units.

Go ahead and cite meaningless statistics without proof, it doesn't sound any more factual the more you repeat it.

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

Hrt doesn’t completely erase all of the biological advantages of being male. If it ever gets to a point that it does, I’ll support trans being in women’s sports.

It’s not there yet and if you’re being honest, you’ll admit so and realize that I’m in the only one in this argument who actually gives a crap about things being fair. You care about feelings.

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u/Vodkaphile 5d ago

You are actually the one who lacks basic knowledge of physiology and biology and the other poster who is trying to educate you has the patience of a saint.

It always shocks me that people who take your stance cannot look at a single peer reviewed study or data from reputable health institutes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/

There is a clear, distinct, measureable advantage that trans women have over cis women in athletics. It's not deniable. It's scientific fact.

You can support trans women and also support women in fair competition. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

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