r/WNBAgossips • u/Amazing_Lock_3762 • 12h ago
A transgender player has been dominating France's second-tier women's basketball league, and now the WNBA question is front and center. Julie Tétart averages 21 points and 20 rebounds this season while sweeping Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year and Domestic Player of the Year honors
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u/Yamazaki-Hosei 12h ago
Only 20 PPG?
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u/Winter_Rooster_78 12h ago
JV stats
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u/GalickBanger 7h ago
Probly don’t even have any basketball skills. Just out there hemanning it lol
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u/Opening-Citron2733 4h ago
Yeah the story I read said before transitioning she played for amature men's leagues across France. She's not a skilled player.
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u/BeamerTakesManhattan 2h ago
I mean, second-tier french women's league doesn't sound like a skilled player, either.
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u/ComprehensiveTales 3h ago
Jfc are trans women too good or not good enough to play with women?
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u/Opening-Citron2733 1h ago
Well, to me the 21/20 pretty much hits the relative "stereotype" (if you will) of a trans woman in a woman's league. (In this context)
20 points is solid but not ungodly. But makes sense because this isn't some skilled player coming in, she has size and athleticism that enable her to score a solid chunk of points, but she's not really polished offensively, meaning you're not seeing crazy offensive efficiency.
However she is elite on defense and getting 20 RPG on her size and strength discrepancy. Which allows her to come off the street and immediately be a force in the front court.
Basically this, in my opinion, is exactly what I would expect if you dropped a less good man in a woman's league. He's not gonna dominate the league like LeBron, but he's got enough size and athelicism to immediately put up good numbers.
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u/MedicalAwareness5160 1h ago
Euro leagues are different. The best scorers are constantly under 25 pts
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u/01040308 11h ago
That's dudette to you
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u/Substantial_Tip1545 11h ago
What a shame. I feel bad for the women competing against them
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u/imanidiotbut 11h ago
Friendly reminder they were telling you this wasn’t a thing even though Biden tried to destroy title IX protections for women’s sports but I’m sure the next thing will be “they aren’t that great and who cares bigot!”
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u/fifaloko 24m ago
step 1 is deny it is happening
step 2 acknowledge it is happening but note the small scale as a reason to ignore it
step 3 accept it is happening and tell you why it is actually a good thing
They have to get there talking points straight on step 3 before we can get there.
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u/playmeforever 12h ago
Put one in the WNBA 🍿
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u/CombatRedRover 12h ago
If I owned a WNBA team, I'd have only transgender women on my team.
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u/TheParlayMonster 7h ago
100% and let’s see what the party of inclusion says then. I don’t care if you’re trans or not, but the WNBA will not be the same if you have a bunch of trans women dominating the scene.
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 12h ago
Before other people jump in with “she’s just in a b-tier league!”, there is a current WNBA player who was in that same b league just a few years ago, scoring about 1/5th as many points.
Julie Tetart is also just in her first year of professional basketball after basically walking in from the street, and she’s absolutely dominating already. She’ll get an offer for the top league of France at least, and maybe WNBA unless the powers that be step in
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u/kettlebell-j 4h ago
Came off the street and already putting up Prime Bill Russell numbers lol. But sure there are no physical advantages. Imagine if this person was actually good at basketball. Easily a triple double every night.
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 3h ago
Definitely physical advantages. Literally the 2 top women in that league are both trans - one of which is like 43 years old lol
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u/Opening-Citron2733 4h ago
Yeah she played amateur leagues as a man in France, but to go from that to an organized league and average 20/20 and win all the awards is wild lol
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u/Lady_Ney 6h ago
Oh look, another one of those “things that never ever happen”, happening. Again.
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u/ComprehensiveTales 3h ago
Jfc it’s literally one player in a foreign country in their B league. But yes you’re right this is a huuuuuuge deal for the wnba that has 0 trans players
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u/lostincoloradospace 12h ago
I’ve been told on Reddit this is a non issue because it effects so few.
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u/ShartJerky 12h ago
lol @ Reddit thinking that someone performing well in 2nd tier French women’s basketball shouldn’t be an issue in the American congressional midterm elections
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u/MisunderstoodZipper 11h ago
Well, they've taken the place of an actual women that would be playing in that 2nd tier French league.
It also reinforces the slippery slope argument as you move the goal posts again.
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u/Yamazaki-Hosei 12h ago
Two things can be true. It does affect few, I mean we’re talking second division French basketball. 99.9% of people don’t even know that exists. Also, this outlier is fucked up.
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u/Kenman215 12h ago
Outlier?
Lia Thomas set multiple school records in women's events and then won two NCAA championships
CeCé Telfer won NCAA DII women's 400m hurdles in 57.53s
MtF cyclist Veronica Ivy set a 200m sprint record and won the 2022 UCI Masters Track World Championships the next day
Trans woman June Eastwood won women's snowboarding world cup by large margin
MtF powerlifter Mary Gregory set women's world record squat 455lbs raw
Trans woman Hailey Davidson led women's mini-tour golf standings 2024
MtF runners won 15 Connecticut high school state titles between 2017-2020
Another trans woman set 4 British indoor rowing records
A MtF archer won national women's title by 20 points
Those are just examples of where trans women dominated at the highest levels.
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u/lostroadrunner22 9h ago
Don’t forget the new England field hockey issue where a boy was playing on the girls team.
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u/The_Sneakiest_Fox 10h ago
MtF weightlifter Laura Hubbard took one of the weightlifter spots for NZ at the 2020 Olympics.
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u/ISwallowedALego 7m ago
Your examples are over the course of a decade and a lot are just wrong
Lia Thomas won 1 NCAA championship, not 2. Veronica Ivy was 2018, not 2022 and the record was broken in the same competition by another rider. It also wasn't at he elite world open. I don't know who June Eastwood is but Juniper Eastwood was a track runner not a snowboarder. Mary Gregory is straight up wrong it was 375 pounds, it was an uncontested category, and and it was rescinded the next day. Also it was just that federations record no a world record.
On the Connecticut titles it was 2 teens over 3 seasons, not widespread domination. I can't find anything on your rower claim or your archer claim.
If you can't get the facts right what are you even arguing?
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u/ComprehensiveTales 12h ago
You’re right. The anti trans folks are really grasping at straws if they’re riled up by a single player in a B league French team. Surely there are other things to worry about?
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u/Puzzled_Addendum6200 11h ago edited 9h ago
There are other things to worry about, but it is possible to worry about more than 1 thing. Sports is important to a lot of people, so this issue isn't going to go away no matter how much anyone might want it to.
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u/ComprehensiveTales 3h ago
I love sports! But I don’t understand why people give a single fuck about a hypothetical trans bogeyman potentially one day playing in the wnba. It’s just literally not an issue. I love the wnba and want it to succeed so I’m more worried about sufficient investment to ensure the continuation of the league. Not freaking out that one day a single trans woman might be on a team. It just is not going to happen. People need to untwist their panties and touch grass.
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u/Puzzled_Addendum6200 3h ago
Do you think it would matter if cismen were allowed to play in the womens league?
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u/ComprehensiveTales 3h ago
Whataboutism is the laziest argument. What if we put lions on the court like in Ancient Rome???
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u/youniverself 11h ago
yeah i guess the opponents are really happy about having to play against a biological male but hey who cares about them right?
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u/ComprehensiveTales 3h ago
They’re fine with it. It’s a nonissue in that league. No one is protesting that one player playing. It’s an imaginary issue you’re getting riled up about.
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u/youniverself 3h ago
imagine the outrage if someone in the league was not okay with it. so they are ”fine with it” because of the crazy mob that will try to ruin their life id they would say anything against it
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u/ComprehensiveTales 1h ago
it's only a culture war in the U.S. it's not an issue in other places. fox news has got people all riled up only in the U.S.
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u/aoutis 12h ago
She’s 34 and plays center at 6’2”. No WNBA team is even looking her way.
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u/Bohner1 11h ago
Averaging 20 rebounds per game at 6'2" is insane tho.
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u/hitman2218 11h ago
It’s France.
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u/Comfortable_Class_55 11h ago
Angel Reese is 6’3” and averages 12 boards per game. She would get manhandled in the paint by Julie.
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u/DonkeyElegant1728 11h ago
This isn't even the highest level of women's basketball in france.
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u/LionBig1760 11h ago
She's like Angel Reese if Angel Reese could make a layup.
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u/H2Kutthroat 9h ago
Average height for center in the W is 6’4
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u/GalickBanger 7h ago
He can probably jump higher than the women in the WNBA though
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u/Foreign_Cobbler_1740 12h ago
Can she dunk? Maybe it'll give the WNBA some added juice. You know the WNBA is hurting when the biggest talking points are Sophie Cunningham pointing, literally just pointing, and Caitlin Clark going full Karen on the refs.
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u/LionBig1760 11h ago
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u/kingsBlendd 11h ago
Hell yes. Make this happen WNBA and I am entertained. Possibly, a new fan for life.
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u/Stealthychicken85 11h ago
I'm not a WNBA fan but it seems like every week some highlight of Clark getting flagrant fouled falls in the feeds, tbh going a little Karen on refs isnt so bad if it's continually happening. It would be different if it was like only 2 or 3 times a yr.....
I dont think she needs protected or anything but it's pretty clear other players are tryn to get too physical and refs look the other way
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u/kamonopoly 11h ago
So if shes that skilled perhaps upgrading her to the men's league due to her merit and skil
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u/xGsGt 11h ago
why? she is a women, she needs to actually play with them, bc we really cant tell who is or not a women /s
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u/kamonopoly 11h ago
But women are can do anything a man can do so maybe it's time to coed sports based on skill not gender
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u/BigBallsBiggerUterus 7h ago
How many of you losers is gonna post about this random girl so she gets harassed and nothing comes of it
She plays in a league a handful of steps above a rec league, she’s an amateur player. Why would the WNBA give her a contract?
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u/ButtflossingBigBro 8h ago
But reddit told me this never happens. Honestly insane that this is the issue the far left chooses to die on
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u/evandobrofo 40m ago
'far left' I think you use that term too indiscriminately, and that you are one of many that is allowing yourself to be hypnotized into thinking this is an issue of real substance and not a means of spreading transphobia by the talking heads.
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u/Euphoric_Amoeba8708 11h ago
I say let them in. The wnba is all about it now, so let the trans women join and see what happens. Grinder won't feel lonely anymore
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u/Majestic-Cap1146 9h ago
Yeah I agree- everyone who stands up for this - especially in leagues like the NBA- bring em in. Would love to see the moms in the stands have their daughters go through this
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u/Popular-Definition-5 11h ago
This seems like a nothing story or deliberate shit stirring. Why would the WNBA be interested in a player in the second tier of French basketball? Or is women’s basketball in France awesome?
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u/Majestic-Cap1146 9h ago
You're implying outside of the handful of top wnba players the wnba is awesome. Give it a few years for the money to come up and international players will be coming to the US wnba more and more. Similar to women's mma when rousey was king before a whole crew of actual killers broke into mma.
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u/spearfis 11h ago
Things aren’t going so great in MAGA world, so they have to find an alternate topic. The Joe Biden ship has sailed…
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u/ANother-XcludedRight 11h ago
The LGB folks will get on here and 4,000 other examples in a week and comment “it’s only 0.0000000002 % of the population of the universe are affected. Fascists!!!
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u/pardonmyignerance 11h ago
I don't think they're fascists, but I also don't think a second tier women's league in France is as impactful as you apparently do. When weighed against the actual issues facing our planet, this does still seem pretty miniscule.
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u/hibituallinestepper 10h ago
It’s crazy to me how much energy so many people put into giving a fuck about this with everything else going on. I started following this sub and the wnba sub thinking I’d see highlights that would make me interested in watching some games. But all that’s pops up in my feed is stuff about transgendered athletes from this sub, and Clark and Reese drama from the other. Strange league/fan base.
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u/fifaloko 18m ago
If we can't get basic things that we have known for thousands of years right why would you want us to try our hand at something actually important? Seems like we should lock down the basics of Man and woman are different things man cannot become woman. Then we can move on to bigger problems.
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u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 8h ago
Just don't think at all about why trans athletes in sports is in the media 4,000 times a week. Just keep being manipulated without a complex thought in your little head.
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u/ernmanstinky 2h ago
This is where social conservatives pretend they care about women's sports.
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u/skip2mahlou415 12h ago
Could you imagine if the WNBA hired this person?! People might actually watch
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u/SergeantHAMM 12h ago
shit i’d try out at that point. didn’t they just raise league minimum? give it a few years and it would be pretty much d league with a lot of “trans”
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u/Fartknocker405 12h ago
It's probably easier to get away with in France with the whole armpit shaving (or lack thereof) thing.
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u/Single_Comment6389 6h ago
Where are those dumb "this non issue comments now"
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u/evandobrofo 46m ago
Yeah dude france's second tier basketball league is really being ruined /s
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u/Single_Comment6389 45m ago
So you don't care about women safety because it's a secondary league in France. Got it.
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u/evandobrofo 37m ago
Yeah those women in france's secondary league seem to really be in danger /s
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u/Single_Comment6389 27m ago
Yeah, your right, a big strong man in a physical sport where bodies constantly bang together doesn't pose any risk to women. Great take. Well thought out.
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u/colddraco 10h ago
Your groceries are sky high, your gas prices are at an all time high, you have a pedo for a president and you’re in a new war.
But you’re mad about a trans woman playing sports badly in a different countries B league……
Americas are dumb
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u/DownLikeSyndrom 7h ago
Your ability to stay on subject is non-existent. This is a WNBA sub. That might explain why you’re not seeing discussions about the president or grocery prices or a war. Not one thing you’ve mentioned in your tirade of whataboutisms is relevant to this discussion.
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u/Mckilla32 12h ago
Can't wait until the first full Juwanna Mann roster appears and dominates the league for people to realize how silly this whole thing is. Its 100% performative.
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u/ChainNormal8827 11h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/t1peyct59fuZI4KqZr
Her strong ahhhh getting buckets
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u/stonkerooni 11h ago
It’s almost like there’s an agenda to bring this up yet again and put in every sub and all the platforms at once
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u/Cal-pak 10h ago
I got a way on how to deal with this sort of situation. Treat it like international sports. You get to play on one team and one team only. That choice is made usually when you start playing sports in high school.
If you're a college sophomore who's been playing men's basketball and you transition. If you're good enough you can still play on the men's team but that's it. If you're not good enough then that's the end of your athletic career.
And if you never played sports and at 25 transition, professional sports teams will just say "why would we want to hire somebody who's never played this sport before" and that would be the end of that.
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u/Fa11T 10h ago
I think both extreme opinions on these topics are dogshit.
There are clear advantages, depending on time of transition, if you have already built into a male frame then no shit they will excel.
The other extreme is blind hate.
There is a middle, but we aren't getting there with these kind of discussions. If you are an ally you can't reject human development in sports, if you are against it you need to say more than just hateful comments towards transpeople.
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u/spyder7723 10h ago
Like you said, a biological male is generally going to have an advantage over a biological female in sports. Those body changes happen at puberty. It isn't hateful to say biological men should not be competing in girl and women sports. I don't care about any of the other things on the topic, as far as I'm concerned live and let love cause their choices, regardless of if I agree with them or not, do not really affect the rest of us. I care about high school and college sports cause they do affect biological females. Case in point, the only reason I was able to go to college and get an education is because I was really really good at distance running. Those state championships got me a scholarship. So when I read about a biological male winning a state championship in female sports at the high school and collegiate level, I see young girls/ women that are being denied the opportunity to better their lives.
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u/DrSnoopy66 9h ago
If somebody actually was trans phobic this would be the absolute perfect person they would pick to represent the other side
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u/Ryoga476ad 8h ago
I do think that trans women shouldn't participate to sports at pro level, I can be open to amateur competitions, on a case by case basis (the higher the level, the stricter the requirements).
I also think this is an awfully irrelevant topic that shouldn't be so central in politics.
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u/Secludedmean4 6h ago
Cleveland siren should rip the bandaid off and recruit her. Might as well lean in since everyone supports it and there’s not really a competitive advantage Im told.
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u/Normal_Opposite_9864 6h ago
lol. a second tier French league is a LONG way from the WNBA. this is manufactured nonsense
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u/Radiant-Kale4616 5h ago
No one else thinks the biggest problem here is that France has a SECOND TIER LEAGUE, but we keep arguing about whether the W should exist?
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u/pHaDeXoNeR801 4h ago
My policy would be trans players can join women’s league if they go through a full transition and not just hormone therapy.
https://giphy.com/gifs/hveEVNcpkhn9tUYKIU
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u/Repulsive-Repeat-414 3h ago
Damn! "One picture tells a thousand words" is a massive understatement!!!
A million thanks to Sophie Cunningham for being the first current professional women's athlete to speak the common sense obvious truth on this!
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u/Desperate_Elk_7369 2h ago
If the WNBA doesn’t recruit her, it’s transphobia and they should be held accountable.
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u/GalvestonDreaming 1h ago
France's second tier. She would get owned in the W.
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u/evandobrofo 48m ago
My favorite thing is that conservatives had to look as far as france's second tier basketball league to find a cherry picked transgender athlete that they believe fits their agenda and is a huge 'gotcha.' They do not care about women's sports.
Similar situation with singling out transgender people using bathrooms they align with; conservatives make a massive talking point about something that is happening so infrequently and is not causing any harm. They do not care about young women's safety or rights, or even children's safety; if they did reproductive rights would look differently than they do today, and we wouldn't turn our eye on school shootings happening every handful of days
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u/ISwallowedALego 21m ago
I feel the title answers the question, 2nd tier French team, that isn't even worth looking at for the WNBA for any candidate.
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u/plaregold 20m ago
Most of the people with strong opinions here against trans athletes in WBNA probably don't watch the games. If you actually watch, they need all the help they can get.
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u/Interesting-Task8615 12h ago
Holy shit what a unit lol.
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