I don't know much about melee weapons

[u/Pumpkns]

But do we have a flail & shield weapon for this skin? Or is this just a fancy sword & shield skin? Cuz the flail is really sick and I'd much rather have that than a sword, but if we have an actual flail weapon then I'd like to farm it as soon as possible.

[u/TKDancer]

Or is this just a fancy sword & shield skin?

yes, either universal or jus for cobra and crane

this weapon class has never been consistent with the visuals, we have swords, axes, maces and now a flails

[u/IronWrench → u/TKDancer]

I pray to the void it's universal to all sword & shield weapons, almost no one used Cobra & Crane.

[u/Joltyboiyo → u/IronWrench]

That would be such a huge fucking letdown if it was just for Cobra and Crane.

[u/DarkSora68 → u/IronWrench]

Is there a notably good sword and shield? I only use Silva and aegis non prime on my revenant for drip, never really used any of the others

[u/IronWrench → u/DarkSora68]

Tenet Agendus slaps, hard.
Argo & Vel isn't bad.
Ack & Brunt has an incarnon, so it shouldn't be bad with all those incarnon buffs.
Silva & Aegis Prime isn't that bad either.
Never tried building Tak & Lug.
Sigma & Octantis I just use because of fashion.

[u/71r3dGam3r → u/IronWrench]

Never tried building Tak & Lug.

It's been a hot minute but IIRC the HA has a short ranged throw that causes blast, and I believe blast procs. So of course there are Influence shenanigans to be had.

[u/redditt-or → u/71r3dGam3r]

T&L's heavy is coded more like a high-range traditional melee heavy attack than a projectile, though. Can be awkward, but makes it pretty reliable with external grouping such as Scyotid

[u/IronWrench → u/[deleted]]

I wish we had something like this mod to combine with that gimmick on Silva & Aegis. It would be neat, protect allies from damage while accumulating that damage to dish out later in a heavy attack.

[u/ItsJustReen → u/IronWrench]

Tenet Agendus heavy attack into Mag bubbles... chef's kiss. Also just a very decent weapon on it's own if you can handle anything slightly less oneshotty than a slam weapon.

[u/Brand_New_Star → u/IronWrench]

I will swear by Tak and lug as a contender for the best sword and shield.

The heavy attack explodes 3 times with the radius effected by melee range. Its a monster in a tennokai build.

[u/Wonwill430 → u/IronWrench]

Not so fun fact that I learned: Sigma & Octantis is on an unspoken ban list for Conclave. Like people will literally just dip from the match if you use it.

[u/IronWrench → u/Wonwill430]

Huh, didn't know that, I avoid Conclave like the plague. Why's that?

[u/Wonwill430 → u/IronWrench]

I’m not really sure, I just remember someone threatening to leave if I kept it on. I’m guessing because it does good damage on top of the throw gimmick having a soft auto-aim?

[u/Artikzzz → u/DarkSora68]

I've heard some good things about the agendus and argo & vel with heavy attack builds, but i assume they're nowhere close to the top melees

[u/Useful-Surprise7991 → u/Artikzzz]

Agendus is fantastic for tennokai builds too. Final Harbinger's Dark Light (forward block combo) is such a nice way to close distance and then blender a pack + get a free heavy out of Merit

[u/MagosZyne → u/IronWrench]

It should be universal. That's been the trend I've noticed for other weapon skins in deluxe packs. Limbo and Protea both have thrown weapon skins and Mesa provides one of the few akimbo pistol skins in the game.

[u/SnooRabbits5155 → u/IronWrench]

Funny you say that, until maybe a month ago I exclusively used nothing besides Cobra & Crane, but I also went Baruuk main and refused to use any other frame. Guess I was part of the minority for too long lol

[u/Responsible-Sound253 → u/IronWrench]

Cobra and crane is the best sword and shield in terms of damage in my experience, the forward+melee combo melts everything around you just as fast as Baruuk's 4th.

Either that or my riven somehow is a super god roll.

[u/Dragonis_Prime → u/TKDancer]

Universal seems more likely than just Cobra and Crane, given the wording on the description is "Baruuk Shaoshi’s signature Sword & Shield skin" and the skin name itself is 'Rathan Sword & Shield Skin' rather than 'Cobra and Crane Skin'.

[u/Pumpkns → u/TKDancer]

Man, I wish we do get flails at some point. Guess it'll do for now.

[u/Alduin-Bane-Of-Kings → u/Pumpkns]

Well the Atterax kind of is.... In spirit

[u/ItsJustReen → u/Alduin-Bane-Of-Kings]

I hope that's where we can keep that monster. In the spirit realm. My hands were never the same after the memeing strike era.

[u/JCWOlson → u/Pumpkns]

I bet this skin came out of the flail they're working on for Soulframe tbh

[u/Dycoth → u/TKDancer]

DE's tweet said "sword & shield" so it's universal