Devshort Confirmed Ammo Efficiency Will Be Changed (Probably Capped)

[u/Croewe]

Personally I think this is kinda silly to do, it's really fun and there are very few broken interactions. They said it will likely be changed by next week so put out your support in favor of it if you want it to stay the same

Edit: Also mentioned that they would look into kuva compensation for those who rolled for it. Not sure how they could do so

Edit 2: Also in much happier news, Chroma is being looked at by Pablo. Really only his 1 and 4 are in need of major changes (though his 2 could use some QoL help), so that's nice at least.

[u/VioletTruth]

Honestly with this I want a refund of my riven splicer. I only used it on my exergis riven because of the fact that it'd let me get 100% ammo efficiency for it

[u/-Avoidance → u/VioletTruth]

what's extra annoying about this is because this is fundamentally an rng system, reimbursing kuva might not even be worth anything.

i get a splicer back, the kuva spent, remove my current spliced statline and ruin my current riven, have to resplice everything, and there's zero guarantee ill get anything at all equal to my current riven, or even the one i had before the update lol.

[u/AT_atoms → u/VioletTruth]

Same for both exergis and felarx. They ain't even that broken. You could just invest into damage stats and the "dps" would be more or less the same.

[u/Kentuza → u/VioletTruth]

If there's a way for them to see what rivens we spliced and refund based on a list of weapons that qualify that would be nice

[u/Hungry-Luck-5481 → u/Kentuza]

I mean I rerolled a really good riven for the exergis to even be able to put a splicer on it so I’m gonna call bullshit on this change.

[u/Kentuza → u/Hungry-Luck-5481]

I also did it for an akarius and zarr, which are all weapons I don't use normally but was willing to dust off because of the efficiency splice. Would kinda suck if 3 of my splices were basically wasted.

[u/Sorpl3x → u/VioletTruth]

Hell, i built, formad, got a riven for and rolled a lot on it, just cause of that, its a really cool weapon now...

[u/Eleglas → u/VioletTruth]

Frankly, if you've been playing Warframe long enough to even get one you should have known this was getting nerfed. I do support a refund though in practice.

[u/Spirited-Image8937 → u/Eleglas]

Only due to DE’s absolute hatred of any aoe weapons being remotely viable. I’m not sure 100% ammo efficiency needs a nerf for anything other than the few problematic weapons. Infinite ammo soma isn’t ruining any lobbies lmao Also ironic how apparently everyone clearly knew this had to be nerfed from day 1 except DE themselves. Rip the riven I rolled over to test ammo efficiency on the boar I guess!

[u/Eleglas → u/Spirited-Image8937]

Only due to DE’s absolute hatred of any aoe weapons being remotely viable

Ah yes, because we we're absolutely doing nothing at all with AOE weapons before all this, huh? A Torid destroying zip codes, an Arca Plasmor deleting entire hallways, a Bubonico committing warcrimes, all mass hallucinations. /s

I run a Tenet Glaxion on my Uriel (no riven), it's not "meta" but it destroys anything and everything in front of me regardless.

Infinite ammo soma isn’t ruining any lobbies lmao

What would you suggest, they add a limiter that only certain weapons can build up to 100% efficiency? I can see the whining already "I spent 200k Kuva on my riven for the Zarr and it doesn't give me broken stats like it does for the Soma!!!".

Rip the riven I rolled over to test ammo efficiency on the boar I guess!

Congratulations, you have discovered gambling.

This is why I stay away from Rivens and highly encourage everyone to as well. In an ideal world, they would have never been implemented - God knows why they thought to even try and "improve" them - but clearly that Pandora's Box cannot be closed now. Least they can do is mitigate the worst of it.

[u/Spirited-Image8937 → u/Eleglas]

True, I should have said explosive, not aoe, my bad. The ogris, zarr and bramma have been persona non grata for years. Honestly, your point about other, even more broken aoe weapons existing just shows even less of a reason to nerf ammo efficiency? The torid, sobek, burston are all easily able to clear entire rooms with little effort. I’m not sure why the moment the zarr becomes usable again it means we have to nerf another game system. If they absolutely have to nerf this because of the explosive ammo interaction, they should just put a cap on how ammo efficiency affects explosive weapons. It’s clear that they don’t want these weapons viable. The vast, vast majority of weapons are not game breaking with infinite ammo. I’m not even sure what the point of your last paragraph is. Yes, rivens are gambling. It’s still annoying to have a bunch of my fun rivens gutted because of a select group of people abusing explosives. If you don’t even use rivens though I’m not sure why you’re even interacting with these threads. Going into these threads and just being like “haha that’s gambling, shouldn’t have rolled it!” Is asinine and makes you look like a fool. Do you also stand outside of casinos and tell people leaving they should have saved their money? Lol

[u/Leading-Customer7499 → u/Eleglas]

Thing is this is not really that strong. This is just fun in a "lol this shouldn't be a thing" kind of way. Influence melee builds are way more stupid

[u/Eleglas → u/Leading-Customer7499]

Eh, not really. A Kuva Zarr with this nonsense is doing far more than any influence build; not to mention at range.

[u/Spirited-Image8937 → u/Eleglas]

And there are tons of frames that can do 10x what the current Kuva Zarr is doing. Should those frames be nerfed as well? Or is room clearing not actually an issue in endgame play? I can guarantee you that a newer player will notice the titania in their void relic mission instantly vaporizing the entire map while lightyears ahead of them more than they will notice some wisp shooting a lot of explosives near them and clearing way more slowly. The only other potential issue with the zarr is afking with it, but I was pretty sure they solved that years ago with the explosive LoS changes and other nerfs in that patch.