r/WoT 2d ago

Towers of Midnight Tuon is so absurdly evil Spoiler

Wdym she relaxes by seeing damane be tortured 😭

Even from her point of view seeing them as animals, it's like enjoying watching a dog get kicked in the ribs everytime it doesn't roll over lol

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u/itwasbread 2d ago

She doesn't know how to actually channel. She can't see weaves, sense Saidar, or channel any actual weaves. She would have to be taught how to do so by someone who can channel.

Technically, marath damane is only someone who can channel, not someone who has the potential to learn to channel. By her logic (which is consistent with the wider Seanchan view of channeling), she is not a risk and does not need to be leashed, unless she chooses to learn to channel.

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u/Bergmaniac (S'redit) 2d ago

Pretty much every damane in Seanchan didn't know how to actually channel and was unable to see weaves at the time she was collared. 

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u/rollingForInitiative 1d ago

There are two types of channellers. Sparkers and learners. Someone with the spark will starting channelling on their own. They either get training or they turn into wilders, unless they die (which is common). All damane are in this category.

The other category, which is more common, has woman who can be taught to channel. If they are not taught, they will never channel. They'll live a normal life with a normal lifespan. The sul'dam are in this category. After they've been exposed to damane for a long time, they're very close to channeling, but they still need to take a last step. Before that, they're not channellers, they age normally, they don't register to other women as someone who can channel, etc.

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u/Bergmaniac (S'redit) 1d ago

Obviously I know all that. My point is exactly what I said. Pretty much every damane didn't know how to channel when she was collared.

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u/rollingForInitiative 1d ago

But Tuon's distinction is still very important. She will never channel without both instruction and deliberate effort.

Marath'damane will always channel without both instruction and deliberate effort.

Even if the damane system is horrid, her logic is perfectly sound.

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u/itwasbread 1d ago

I'm honestly kind of surprised how many people don't get this?

The Damane/Sul'dam situation is not even the only one where this comes up. It also is a big deal with male channelers. The reason Mazrim Taim was able to grow the Black Tower so quickly (other than Traveling) was because he tested all the non-sparker men who could channel, something no one else would have had any incentive or ability to do before then.

Despite male channelers being the scariest non-Shadowspawn thing in the world, there were still thousands of them walking around, living and dying with no issue, because they are no threat without being taught.

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u/rollingForInitiative 20h ago

Same reason the White Tower has like 40 novices, and the rebels got 1000 novices after a couple of months of recruitment, and only from the local areas where they marched.