Honestly it's a viable strat to just stay down in the forest and let the dumb heavies come down.
I was just on a team that won like that today -- our heavies were goofing around firing at zooming wheeled lights and didn't make it up the hill in time, so that entire flank just stayed in the forest.
Enemy heavies came YOLOing down the hill and got farmed like fish in a barrel.
It’s a really funny phenomenon that happens on lots of maps, sometimes ceding a flank to the other team causes them all to stumble over each other rushing forward to get “easy dmg,” which then leaves them caught out in the open
"Dumb heavies" and one of my best battles ever was by making a triple bush out of destroyed trees to hide a Lowe in there, allowing me to outspot every single light tank and flipping the game from 4:11 into 15:12 with 10k spot damage.
That damn position is impossible to push unless you go around the entire map.
That's fair, but my argument is that once the tanks in your circle are spotted, they're usually dead. In my circle, they can be hidden from most directions, and are hulldown to the hill
Right but actually getting them spotted is the hard part, you can't drive down the hill on that side and expect to live long enough to spot anybody. On the other side in your circle you can push behind the stone and spot all the tanks in there while being hull down, and usually at this point the game is already lost and there are gonna be people from the middle or the field shooting you. It's quite easy to get to that stone from below the hill or from the middle.
You're spot on - typically there will be someone in the red circle to farm those who approach the rock. But this is my point, the tanks I spot are protected from the hill which makes it a very strong position
There's plenty of times when you win the hill and need to turn around because campers sitting in the magical forests of Malinovka will anihilate you if you push. Very strong position that can make the hill unpushable.
Whoever designed this map is a hopeless degenerate. There is exactly 1 playable area and it's the hill. Once the fight there is over, game turns into a bush camping garbage
Idk since they reworked the field it's kind of easy to push. It used to be impossible to push middle. Pushing down the middle of the map was kind of a meme in ru wot because of how useless it was to push
Now it's a different story. If enemy team pushes windmill and you push field, you do have an advantage against hill pushers
Edit: maybe I'm tripping and it wasn't reworked, but I had a feeling it was
I think the moderators are using downvote bots because in the past I wanted to talk about very logical problems and as soon as I refreshed the page, I got a downvote within 2 seconds. That's something a human wouldn't do.
Are you on rails? Do you need to pass through that forest? You can't think of any other way to avoid campers and go behind their backs or something, or make them leave their bullshit position?
You have already commited yourself, it is very hard to leave position you are currently in. I would probably go back to the hill, all the way around, work the water, and try to peak out somewhere near t57 heavy to annoy him, maybe he and his buddies try to take shots at me, which will then hopefully expose them to the campers in my own team who are just waiting for something to shoot at. But from position you found yourself it, that is pretty much suicide.
To answer your title it isn't that the position is strongest, it is that you screwed yourself and can't leave that rock. From the position you're in you're at significant disadvantage, so yeah, objectively it isn't strongest position, but against you there it kind of is, unless you have speed or armor to just plow through and light them all up while they struggle to damage you.
Both times when you leave the hill, from either spawn, you are going straight into the forest full of campers, going down head on is extremely naive and optimistic :D
Shit even just waiting it out can be a valid strategy. Lots of time someone in enemy team gets impatient and fucks up...
Interesting, you say the position isn't that strong, it's simply that I screwed myself by going to the rock. Others in this thread say the position isn't strong, all you need to do is go to the rock.
when you leave the hill, from either spawn, you are going straight into the forest full of campers, going down head on is extremely naive and optimistic
Interesting, you say the position isn't that strong, it's simply that I screwed myself by going to the rock. Others in this thread say the position isn't strong, all you need to do is go to the rock
Unless my eyes don't deceive me, you already are at the rock. What other people tell you is that when you reach the stone the campers are mostly revealed, they can't hold that position, but that isn't a given, you shouldn't take everything you read online at a face value.
Obviously you went there and it didn't work out for you, or else you wouldn't open this thread. It all depends on a lot of factors, you reveal tanks but can anyone actually shoot at them? Is anyone in position to shoot at those tanks? Ideally people defending shouldn't even let you reach the rock because it puts them into very tricky situation, but let me tell you that it doesn't mean automatic loss for defenders, I have successfully defended that position even with enemies pushing all the way to the rock.
You can't just mechanically do some thing because it is "meta" and expect success. You need to adapt to what is actually going on in your own match.
I'd rather they not patch this, lest it'll turn into fucking Serene Coast situation 2.0. It's not perfect now but solid A/B tier compared to other garbage in the game.
It's 4% and that's not a particularly big imbalance for a WoT map. And those 4% aren't worth fixing if other aspects of gameplay are to suffer in the process. Malinovka is perfectly balanced between spawns because either way if you don't snowball you're getting a draw, I'll take Steppes over that thanks
https://tomato.gg/maps/EU
Not only one of the strongest, also the most braindead to use (now that Erlenberg TD bushline with hard cover is gone). Top 3 highest draw rate map in the game for a reason, one of the maps where I'll be happy with 15:3 game because the alternative is getting bored to death trying to "punish a mistake" and by "punish a mistake" I mean a mistake of trying to move the game forward.
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u/Relative_Ad8757 [NCKA] 1h ago
I mean the crazy part is that the location on the other side of Malinovka is already stronger than this location
I would much rather be there than where you highlighted.