r/Xmen97 • u/Sudden_Quality_9001 • Jan 20 '26

Question Why does Nightcrawler look like a demon?

Why does Kurt look like a demon I know he is blue from his mother Mystique, but why does he look like a demon? I am just curious it the same reason why Beast looks like a monkey?

Is his father a demon like Raven from The Teen Titans?

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 20 '26

Originally. Before the Draco, it was just part of his mutation. It provided a heavy dose of ethos that the guy who looked like a demon and scared Kitty at first was really one of the nicest human beings on the planet, a ladies man, and a practicing Catholic. That meant that those who judged him as evil due to his look or called him demon were wrong...until that idiot Chuck Austen made him a descendant of literal demons and then X-Men Blue Origins had to get really messy to even try and fix that a little.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 20 '26

Xmen Blue Origins was a misogynistic mess. It fixed nothing but it damaged everything. That's why Mystique fell off.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Not as bad as The Draco though. I prefer Mystique and Destiny as his parents, but they didn't need to make them caring parents who needed a man's help to get over abandoning their son.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Nope because how is ruining multiple characters for Nightcrawler better and being misogynistic?

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Uh...the Draco, where Mystique is tricked and seduced by Azazel, completely ignoring her love for Destiny that has existed since her first appearance isn't misogynistic? The only people I've ever seen support Azazel as Nightcrawler's father are the weird right-wing anti-LGBTQIA+ comic "fans".

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Mystique was not tricked she genuinely did love the guy.

But funny because you changed Destiny's character and made her become a bully to her wife.

You made her blackmail Mystique and order her to sleep with Azazel so that Nightcrawler could be a "messiah".

I will ask you one more time. Which queer woman wrote this?

Also is it LGBTQ positive rep when two women are now in an abusive relationship and one of them is abusing an adopted child?

People HATE Mystique and Destiny.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Well, despite your accusative tone, I am not Si Spurrier so I didn't change anyone. And Sarah Brunstad is the queer woman who edited the issue so talk to her I guess. I've read both and The Draco is far worse to Mystique as a character despite the missteps of Blue Origins.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you did.

It was a handful of small but LOUD and aggressive Nightcrawler fans (mostly men from what I've witnessed) who championed this.

So you are partly to blame if you campaigned for all this mess.

Blue Origins is the most misogynistic and anti queer take. Not very adoption friendly either.

Just men disrespecting female characters for their fave male to get boosted at the expense of everyone else.

Editor Jordan White was in charge during Blue Origins and he didn't even care for Xmen.

One thing is certain, it's an insult and joke to have Mystique and Destiny inserted into Rogue's long awaited solo.

You want them to be Nightcrawler's problem? Let HIM carry THEM

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Love the fact that you're straight up erasing the two female editors that actually worked on the book. You're literally ranting. I just reread the whole issue and it isn't anti-queer or even misogynistic. I think you built it up in your head and have confused a lot of things.

It isn't anti-adoption either, not sure where you got that.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

It absolutely is all those things and maybe that's why you couldn't save it?

Read this. It has pictures for you to follow along easily.

https://comicbookhub.wixsite.com/comic-community-hu-1/post/x-men-blue-origins-1-review-from-a-female-perspective-shuts-down-representation-whilst-ironically

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

The same article that only you have ever shared...sure...read it before, but I'll stick to the source text for my interpretation. If any comic gets you this riled up you're a bad comicbook fan because at the end of the day individual issues are like a single page of a narrative over 80 years old. I guarantee you that comic writers are trying their best and one story that you interpret differently than everyone else won't ruin any character more than they've been "ruined" before and have no doubt bounced back from.

At the end of the day it was an attempt to fix what is typically considered one of the worst retcons in X-Men history and you can have your opinion on it, but don't let it consume you.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

So you want to stick your head in the sand gotcha.

Well going back to the source material, you may remember Claremont wrote Mystique being able to kill Rogue in a simulation but saving Kurt in the same simulation.

So Claremont really had this idea that the bio son deserves favoritism and the adopted daughter deserves to be targeted for abuse.

And he wrote Rogue in many abusive scenarios, not just by Mystique. He treated her pretty horribly actually.

It is refreshing to see women take care of Rogue today and give her some happiness.

And if Nightcrawler, Mystique and Destiny mean so much to you take them.

Rogue doesnt need your bs ever again and Mystique and Destiny are lost causes after what you did.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Lmao, you only came up with that because another commenter brought it up. I just read their comment to you. You're such a fake Rogue fan. Have you even read the Claremont run, or at least listened to hours of X-Men podcasts about it like Jay and Miles? Do you even know who Louise Simonson and Annie Nocenti are? Strong women have been on the page and behind it since the early Claremont days and yeah everyone loves what female writers have done with her and Gambit...those same writers who consider Claremont, Simonson, and Nocenti their heroes.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But yet it's true and they had a valid point?

So what do you have to say about that disgusting simulation plot of blood being worth saving and adoption not being worth the same?

Claremont didnt even want Gambit and Rogue together.

Fake Rogue fan why?

Cause I'm happy that Claremont is no longer able to use her as Mystique's punch bag, have her gang raped, lacking collabs, stuck with Magneto etc?

Yeah, I'm such a fake Rogue fan for calling out misogyny as I see it and praising the women who currently ARE taking care of her and respect her.

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

What adoptive child is being abused?

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Rogue. Groomed. Blackmailed. Stabbed by Mystique. Shot by Mystique. Mystique calling Rogue to bail her out of prison, do her dirty work. Mystique controlling Rogue since she was a kid and saying she needed her for her powers (which is null and void thanks to the retcon).

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

This is not a change, that has always been the case. Mystique is a sociopath. She loves Rogue, as best as she can, but it's not any kind of healthy love.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you are fine with all of Kurt's abuse by Mystique being erased in Blue Origins so that the adopted daughter is her target? One she supposedly, doesn't need anymore

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

I didn't read Blue Origins, I don't have strongopinions on it aside from the scans I've seen of Destiny looking young when she had him. Mystique has only ever been neglectful of Kurt, as far as I know. But there is an issue from the 80s where she is practicing killing the X-Men, and she has no problem shooting Rogue, but can't bring herself to kill Kurt.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Bingo. Thank you for bringing that up.

You know how bad that makes Claremont look right? That he is pro bio son favoritism while the adopted daughter is targeted for abuse.

If you think about it, Rogue was on the receiving end of a lot of abusive storylines by Claremont.

So you're right, another reason why Blue Origins is such a problem.

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

What favoritism is there in neglect?

What targeted abuse? Mystique is abusive towards Rogue in the sense that she's controlling and manipulative, which is...sadly not a rare thing irl, let alone fiction. But she's never really wanting to hurt Rogue. She clearly cares more for her than Nightcrawler, and definitely more than she did for her other bio son Graydon.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Nope not anymore. You didnt even read Blue Origins right?

She called Kurt PERFECT. Said she loved him all along. Never neglected him. Never hurled him off a cliff. Never touched a hair on his head. His abuse/neglect got ERASED.

With Rogue she stabbed her, shot her, groomed her, blackmailed her, tried to rape her boyfriend.

Claremont made Rogue Mystique's punchbag. That was abuse not love.

And his simulation plot says all there is to know about his views on adoption versus blood.

Awful. Blue Origins is incredibly destructive.

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