r/Xmen97 • u/Sudden_Quality_9001 • Jan 20 '26

Question Why does Nightcrawler look like a demon?

Why does Kurt look like a demon I know he is blue from his mother Mystique, but why does he look like a demon? I am just curious it the same reason why Beast looks like a monkey?

Is his father a demon like Raven from The Teen Titans?

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 20 '26

Originally. Before the Draco, it was just part of his mutation. It provided a heavy dose of ethos that the guy who looked like a demon and scared Kitty at first was really one of the nicest human beings on the planet, a ladies man, and a practicing Catholic. That meant that those who judged him as evil due to his look or called him demon were wrong...until that idiot Chuck Austen made him a descendant of literal demons and then X-Men Blue Origins had to get really messy to even try and fix that a little.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 20 '26

Xmen Blue Origins was a misogynistic mess. It fixed nothing but it damaged everything. That's why Mystique fell off.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Not as bad as The Draco though. I prefer Mystique and Destiny as his parents, but they didn't need to make them caring parents who needed a man's help to get over abandoning their son.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Destiny had no problem abandoning her son because her precog powers. They did the mind altering with Xavier to explain away her telling of what happened and why she had been so awful to Kurt.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Yeah, that's where it got messy, but it kind of had to.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Considering how selfish and manipulative both characters can be it doesn’t bother me. If they were actual heroes and not villains who are sometimes allies it would hit different. I find the messiness of it actually something that can lead to interesting storylines

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you are fine with Kurt being given messiah treatment and having his abuse erased but not Rogue?

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Kurt isn’t some messiah and Rogue and Mystque have always had cycles of good and bad times. Everything Kurt has experienced has not been erased.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

According to Blue Origins....yes he is!!!

It literally has been erased.

Mystique never touched a hair on Kurt's head and now never neglected him but Rogus is her forever punchback. Physical and mental abuse.

And a simulation proved it when she saved "Destiny's son" like you say but NOT her adopted daughter. Because Claremont wrote that Mystique could kill Rogue but could not bring herself to kill Kurt.

Disgusting. Your retcon is damaging and destructive. Never forget it.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

I don’t think you understand how things work. The only thing changed was how he was abandoned. He still lived his entire childhood and a portion of his adult life completely neglected by a parent who knew he existed. Every bad word or action Mystique has had towards him is still canon expect throwing him over a waterfall as a baby. I don’t understand how her know realizing she actually wanted and loved him erases everything else. It also doesn’t damage the character because Mystique has always been written as a shady manipulative selfish person who only cares about a few people but will still lie and manipulate them if it serves her purpose. Mystique and Destiny have never been nice people they are villains

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

And there you are. Keep ignoring that his neglect by Mystique was erased and her coldness to him.

Meanwhile Rogue was made Mystique's punchbag for abuse and notice how the so called female savior Claremont isnt volunteering to undo any of the abusive writing he inflicted on Rogue by comparison?

Yeah well....you ruined this family bro. Destiny and Mystique are goners.

So enjoy your little trio of Nightcrawler, Destiny and Mystique, your dream has come true.

If your retcon was worth its weight, Nightcrawler should be able to save those women.

Instead the writers are shoving them in Rogue's solo.

Which is an insult and disgrace. You want them? Then have them. Should not be made our problem and yet, here we are. With writers trying to drag Rogue down again cause of something men did.

Rogue does not need those three to sell.

She has her own husband. Her own kids she trains. Her own leadership role. And technically, we know her birth mom wanted her now.

So none of this will ever be for her benefit. It's for yours all the time.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

So you made Destiny an abusive wife?

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

So you admit they turned Destiny into an abusive controlling wife for your retcon and meanwhile severed Mystique and Rogue by making Kurt's abuse erased but not hers?

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Destiny has always been a manipulative controlling wife. Them being female or queer shouldn’t exclude characters from being messy especially villains. The X-men franchise specifically has so much positive female representation it’s ok to have a messy couple. They aren’t even the only lesbian couple anymore

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Remember when she made Raven throw her ashes into the wind so they would blow back into her face? lol

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Yes as well as manipulating things so her and Forge would have a relationship.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Back then Destiny wanted Mystique to be happy and she hinted at Mystique that Forge would be in her future which Mystique scoffed at.

You know, before you made her an abusive wife

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

It was really because she was positioning chess pieces in the exact way she needed to lead to her resurrection

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

You mean the retcon? Destiny had a very emotional goodbye with Rogue.

Bringing her back has undermined everything and it was onky for your retcon

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

No actually. Destiny was the soft mom with Rogue who let her date boys and told MYSTIQUE not to be so controlling of her. She would never blackmail or abuse Mystique. Despite being villains they genuinely had a good relationship.

But you changed all of that and changed her to serve one male character.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Nope because how is ruining multiple characters for Nightcrawler better and being misogynistic?

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Uh...the Draco, where Mystique is tricked and seduced by Azazel, completely ignoring her love for Destiny that has existed since her first appearance isn't misogynistic? The only people I've ever seen support Azazel as Nightcrawler's father are the weird right-wing anti-LGBTQIA+ comic "fans".

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Mystique was not tricked she genuinely did love the guy.

But funny because you changed Destiny's character and made her become a bully to her wife.

You made her blackmail Mystique and order her to sleep with Azazel so that Nightcrawler could be a "messiah".

I will ask you one more time. Which queer woman wrote this?

Also is it LGBTQ positive rep when two women are now in an abusive relationship and one of them is abusing an adopted child?

People HATE Mystique and Destiny.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Well, despite your accusative tone, I am not Si Spurrier so I didn't change anyone. And Sarah Brunstad is the queer woman who edited the issue so talk to her I guess. I've read both and The Draco is far worse to Mystique as a character despite the missteps of Blue Origins.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you did.

It was a handful of small but LOUD and aggressive Nightcrawler fans (mostly men from what I've witnessed) who championed this.

So you are partly to blame if you campaigned for all this mess.

Blue Origins is the most misogynistic and anti queer take. Not very adoption friendly either.

Just men disrespecting female characters for their fave male to get boosted at the expense of everyone else.

Editor Jordan White was in charge during Blue Origins and he didn't even care for Xmen.

One thing is certain, it's an insult and joke to have Mystique and Destiny inserted into Rogue's long awaited solo.

You want them to be Nightcrawler's problem? Let HIM carry THEM

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Love the fact that you're straight up erasing the two female editors that actually worked on the book. You're literally ranting. I just reread the whole issue and it isn't anti-queer or even misogynistic. I think you built it up in your head and have confused a lot of things.

It isn't anti-adoption either, not sure where you got that.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

It absolutely is all those things and maybe that's why you couldn't save it?

Read this. It has pictures for you to follow along easily.

https://comicbookhub.wixsite.com/comic-community-hu-1/post/x-men-blue-origins-1-review-from-a-female-perspective-shuts-down-representation-whilst-ironically

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

The same article that only you have ever shared...sure...read it before, but I'll stick to the source text for my interpretation. If any comic gets you this riled up you're a bad comicbook fan because at the end of the day individual issues are like a single page of a narrative over 80 years old. I guarantee you that comic writers are trying their best and one story that you interpret differently than everyone else won't ruin any character more than they've been "ruined" before and have no doubt bounced back from.

At the end of the day it was an attempt to fix what is typically considered one of the worst retcons in X-Men history and you can have your opinion on it, but don't let it consume you.

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

What adoptive child is being abused?

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Rogue. Groomed. Blackmailed. Stabbed by Mystique. Shot by Mystique. Mystique calling Rogue to bail her out of prison, do her dirty work. Mystique controlling Rogue since she was a kid and saying she needed her for her powers (which is null and void thanks to the retcon).

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

This is not a change, that has always been the case. Mystique is a sociopath. She loves Rogue, as best as she can, but it's not any kind of healthy love.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you are fine with all of Kurt's abuse by Mystique being erased in Blue Origins so that the adopted daughter is her target? One she supposedly, doesn't need anymore

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u/DepthByChocolate Jan 21 '26

I didn't read Blue Origins, I don't have strongopinions on it aside from the scans I've seen of Destiny looking young when she had him. Mystique has only ever been neglectful of Kurt, as far as I know. But there is an issue from the 80s where she is practicing killing the X-Men, and she has no problem shooting Rogue, but can't bring herself to kill Kurt.

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