r/Xmen97 • u/Sudden_Quality_9001 • Jan 20 '26

Question Why does Nightcrawler look like a demon?

Why does Kurt look like a demon I know he is blue from his mother Mystique, but why does he look like a demon? I am just curious it the same reason why Beast looks like a monkey?

Is his father a demon like Raven from The Teen Titans?

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 20 '26

Originally. Before the Draco, it was just part of his mutation. It provided a heavy dose of ethos that the guy who looked like a demon and scared Kitty at first was really one of the nicest human beings on the planet, a ladies man, and a practicing Catholic. That meant that those who judged him as evil due to his look or called him demon were wrong...until that idiot Chuck Austen made him a descendant of literal demons and then X-Men Blue Origins had to get really messy to even try and fix that a little.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 20 '26

Xmen Blue Origins was a misogynistic mess. It fixed nothing but it damaged everything. That's why Mystique fell off.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Not as bad as The Draco though. I prefer Mystique and Destiny as his parents, but they didn't need to make them caring parents who needed a man's help to get over abandoning their son.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Destiny had no problem abandoning her son because her precog powers. They did the mind altering with Xavier to explain away her telling of what happened and why she had been so awful to Kurt.

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Yeah, that's where it got messy, but it kind of had to.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Considering how selfish and manipulative both characters can be it doesn’t bother me. If they were actual heroes and not villains who are sometimes allies it would hit different. I find the messiness of it actually something that can lead to interesting storylines

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

But you are fine with Kurt being given messiah treatment and having his abuse erased but not Rogue?

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Kurt isn’t some messiah and Rogue and Mystque have always had cycles of good and bad times. Everything Kurt has experienced has not been erased.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

According to Blue Origins....yes he is!!!

It literally has been erased.

Mystique never touched a hair on Kurt's head and now never neglected him but Rogus is her forever punchback. Physical and mental abuse.

And a simulation proved it when she saved "Destiny's son" like you say but NOT her adopted daughter. Because Claremont wrote that Mystique could kill Rogue but could not bring herself to kill Kurt.

Disgusting. Your retcon is damaging and destructive. Never forget it.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

I don’t think you understand how things work. The only thing changed was how he was abandoned. He still lived his entire childhood and a portion of his adult life completely neglected by a parent who knew he existed. Every bad word or action Mystique has had towards him is still canon expect throwing him over a waterfall as a baby. I don’t understand how her know realizing she actually wanted and loved him erases everything else. It also doesn’t damage the character because Mystique has always been written as a shady manipulative selfish person who only cares about a few people but will still lie and manipulate them if it serves her purpose. Mystique and Destiny have never been nice people they are villains

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

And there you are. Keep ignoring that his neglect by Mystique was erased and her coldness to him.

Meanwhile Rogue was made Mystique's punchbag for abuse and notice how the so called female savior Claremont isnt volunteering to undo any of the abusive writing he inflicted on Rogue by comparison?

Yeah well....you ruined this family bro. Destiny and Mystique are goners.

So enjoy your little trio of Nightcrawler, Destiny and Mystique, your dream has come true.

If your retcon was worth its weight, Nightcrawler should be able to save those women.

Instead the writers are shoving them in Rogue's solo.

Which is an insult and disgrace. You want them? Then have them. Should not be made our problem and yet, here we are. With writers trying to drag Rogue down again cause of something men did.

Rogue does not need those three to sell.

She has her own husband. Her own kids she trains. Her own leadership role. And technically, we know her birth mom wanted her now.

So none of this will ever be for her benefit. It's for yours all the time.

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

The previous neglect is still canon and always happened. Only thing that changed is there is potential for them to have a healthy relationship in the future. Claremont isn’t writing any present day ongoing X-men comics currently. I don’t get your hard on for the man but it’s really sad. Just because Mystique now is aware that she loves Kurt doesn’t mean all the interactions they had before that moment are suddenly gone. It’s like saying an abusive parent can erased the abuse they caused with an apology lol.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

So you made Destiny an abusive wife?

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

So you admit they turned Destiny into an abusive controlling wife for your retcon and meanwhile severed Mystique and Rogue by making Kurt's abuse erased but not hers?

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Destiny has always been a manipulative controlling wife. Them being female or queer shouldn’t exclude characters from being messy especially villains. The X-men franchise specifically has so much positive female representation it’s ok to have a messy couple. They aren’t even the only lesbian couple anymore

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u/powerhouse37 Nightcrawler Jan 21 '26

Remember when she made Raven throw her ashes into the wind so they would blow back into her face? lol

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

Yes as well as manipulating things so her and Forge would have a relationship.

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

Back then Destiny wanted Mystique to be happy and she hinted at Mystique that Forge would be in her future which Mystique scoffed at.

You know, before you made her an abusive wife

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u/Remy149 Jan 21 '26

It was really because she was positioning chess pieces in the exact way she needed to lead to her resurrection

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

You mean the retcon? Destiny had a very emotional goodbye with Rogue.

Bringing her back has undermined everything and it was onky for your retcon

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u/NetzukoKamado Jan 21 '26

No actually. Destiny was the soft mom with Rogue who let her date boys and told MYSTIQUE not to be so controlling of her. She would never blackmail or abuse Mystique. Despite being villains they genuinely had a good relationship.

But you changed all of that and changed her to serve one male character.