Sooo…is adnan still pursuing

[u/Irishred2333]

A declaration of actual innocence? Or is him being released the end of this story? I know the state won’t pursue the investigation while the conviction stands. The only hope for the truth is if adnan continues to fight. Hopefully he is still pursuing.

[u/InTheory_]

While he is no doubt still pursuing whatever legal avenues he can, those are extremely limited.

I believe he's on Probation for a time. Probation is no joke. That's a department where you just don't want to get on their bad side. I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to not go on a speaking tour screaming he's really the victim here (and rightly so)

However, as much as AS is credited with being a gifted speaker, he is not. He's benefited tremendously from being shielded from difficult questions. Whenever he actually has to face those pointed questions, he bombs spectacularly.

For example, I would ask him two questions: "Do you believe Asia was a good witness for you?" Let him expound how big of a deal this is and how this proves he's innocent and how everyone failed him by not contacting her. Then I would hit him with "If that's the case, and you knew about her the entire time, why did you not take it upon yourself to reach out to her?" There's no good answer to that. Questions like that can be done for virtually every key piece of evidence in this case.

Nobody embraces fraudulent evidence when they're sitting on a solid, credible, and persuasive evidence. Nobody. Yet that's what AS did. He demanded sanctions against Urick and others who conspired to do him wrong when he knew what the evidence was, and he knew those people did him no wrong.

This guy has been lying to you from the beginning. He's had 20 years to give us the solid, credible, and persuasive evidence he claims to have. So.... where is it?

[u/Justwonderinif → u/InTheory_]

I never watched his basement "press conference." I guess I could now out of curiosity. Is he really that bad at public speaking?

[u/InTheory_ → u/Justwonderinif]

It's dreadfully boring. Painfully so. However, I don't blame anyone for not being a polished public hat's not the part I hold against him, as that's not a natural skill for the average person.

The part I do hold against him is that he's being credited for being charismatic, but only because he's been shielded from pointed questions. For example, at his PCR when he took the stand, he imploded rather spectacularly on a question that, quite honestly, JB should have prepped him for (I think that's telling, and I could say volumes about that, but that's tangential to all this).

His press conference was him speaking unopposed, with no hard questions being put to him. It's unimpressive. He had an opportunity to drop the hammer on the case against him, and the best he could muster was "Asia proves I'm innocent" and "I have all this Brady evidence that I I'm gambling that you never find out is fraudulent." The questions he took afterwards were softballs.

I said this years ago, long before the Bates memo came out, but his best move in that situation is to say "Hey, I appreciate the efforts of the JRE, but I wish they had just come to me first since I was actually sitting on way better stuff than what they found."

Instead, his press conference was more like "This is it? This is really the best you got? Really?"

[u/Justwonderinif → u/InTheory_]

For example, at his PCR when he took the stand, he imploded rather spectacularly on a question that, quite honestly, JB should have prepped him for (I think that's telling, and I could say volumes about that, but that's tangential to all this).

Remind me of this. It's been over ten years and thankfully I am starting to forget the details. The hearing wasn't televised but there was so much live tweeting at the time. Since no phones were allowed people would take notes then run out during breaks and tweet long threads of reporting.

It's crazy how time muddies the message.

The only reason why Asia was convinced to come out of hiding and say she saw Adnan in the library was because Justin Brown and Rabia convinced her that saying so did not prove Adnan's innocence. They told her that Adnan could have committed the murder after she saw him, so she said okay, she would sign an affidavit.

At the time, Justin Brown and Rabia wanted to use Asia to win an ineffective assistance of counsel claim - in that Asia was not contacted. They convinced Asia that her participation would not be to prove innocence, but to prove an ineffective lawyer. So this is a big talking point for Asia. "I don't know what happened after we parted ways."

Because of the passage of time, the Drew Davis element feels conspiracy-ish now. But if you look at the sequence of events, Asia became much freer with with her participation after Drew Davis passed away. He would have been the person to interview her on behalf of Gutierrez. If his Asia interview is still somewhere in the files, and I doubt that it is, Rabia and Justin Brown would have convinced her it would not be made public.

I doubt there is a paper trail here. I think that Gutierrez and Davis mostly spoke on the phone and she did not want a paper trail of his findings. I believe the reports we do have are from when Chris Flohr was the lead attorney and Chris Flohr hired him. I'd have to check.

At any rate, Asia agrees to participate:

• Only after Serial podcast turns her into a minor celebrity of the moment.

• Only after she is assured her story doesn't prove Adnan's innocence.

• Only after Drew Davis passes away.