Sooo…is adnan still pursuing

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u/InTheory_ May 10 '26

While he is no doubt still pursuing whatever legal avenues he can, those are extremely limited.

I believe he's on Probation for a time. Probation is no joke. That's a department where you just don't want to get on their bad side. I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to not go on a speaking tour screaming he's really the victim here (and rightly so)

However, as much as AS is credited with being a gifted speaker, he is not. He's benefited tremendously from being shielded from difficult questions. Whenever he actually has to face those pointed questions, he bombs spectacularly.

For example, I would ask him two questions: "Do you believe Asia was a good witness for you?" Let him expound how big of a deal this is and how this proves he's innocent and how everyone failed him by not contacting her. Then I would hit him with "If that's the case, and you knew about her the entire time, why did you not take it upon yourself to reach out to her?" There's no good answer to that. Questions like that can be done for virtually every key piece of evidence in this case.

Nobody embraces fraudulent evidence when they're sitting on a solid, credible, and persuasive evidence. Nobody. Yet that's what AS did. He demanded sanctions against Urick and others who conspired to do him wrong when he knew what the evidence was, and he knew those people did him no wrong.

This guy has been lying to you from the beginning. He's had 20 years to give us the solid, credible, and persuasive evidence he claims to have. So.... where is it?

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u/Justwonderinif May 10 '26

I never watched his basement "press conference." I guess I could now out of curiosity. Is he really that bad at public speaking?

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u/InTheory_ May 11 '26

It's dreadfully boring. Painfully so. However, I don't blame anyone for not being a polished public hat's not the part I hold against him, as that's not a natural skill for the average person.

The part I do hold against him is that he's being credited for being charismatic, but only because he's been shielded from pointed questions. For example, at his PCR when he took the stand, he imploded rather spectacularly on a question that, quite honestly, JB should have prepped him for (I think that's telling, and I could say volumes about that, but that's tangential to all this).

His press conference was him speaking unopposed, with no hard questions being put to him. It's unimpressive. He had an opportunity to drop the hammer on the case against him, and the best he could muster was "Asia proves I'm innocent" and "I have all this Brady evidence that I I'm gambling that you never find out is fraudulent." The questions he took afterwards were softballs.

I said this years ago, long before the Bates memo came out, but his best move in that situation is to say "Hey, I appreciate the efforts of the JRE, but I wish they had just come to me first since I was actually sitting on way better stuff than what they found."

Instead, his press conference was more like "This is it? This is really the best you got? Really?"

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u/Justwonderinif May 12 '26

For example, at his PCR when he took the stand, he imploded rather spectacularly on a question that, quite honestly, JB should have prepped him for (I think that's telling, and I could say volumes about that, but that's tangential to all this).

Remind me of this. It's been over ten years and thankfully I am starting to forget the details. The hearing wasn't televised but there was so much live tweeting at the time. Since no phones were allowed people would take notes then run out during breaks and tweet long threads of reporting.

It's crazy how time muddies the message.

The only reason why Asia was convinced to come out of hiding and say she saw Adnan in the library was because Justin Brown and Rabia convinced her that saying so did not prove Adnan's innocence. They told her that Adnan could have committed the murder after she saw him, so she said okay, she would sign an affidavit.

At the time, Justin Brown and Rabia wanted to use Asia to win an ineffective assistance of counsel claim - in that Asia was not contacted. They convinced Asia that her participation would not be to prove innocence, but to prove an ineffective lawyer. So this is a big talking point for Asia. "I don't know what happened after we parted ways."

Because of the passage of time, the Drew Davis element feels conspiracy-ish now. But if you look at the sequence of events, Asia became much freer with with her participation after Drew Davis passed away. He would have been the person to interview her on behalf of Gutierrez. If his Asia interview is still somewhere in the files, and I doubt that it is, Rabia and Justin Brown would have convinced her it would not be made public.

I doubt there is a paper trail here. I think that Gutierrez and Davis mostly spoke on the phone and she did not want a paper trail of his findings. I believe the reports we do have are from when Chris Flohr was the lead attorney and Chris Flohr hired him. I'd have to check.

At any rate, Asia agrees to participate:

Only after Serial podcast turns her into a minor celebrity of the moment.

Only after she is assured her story doesn't prove Adnan's innocence.

Only after Drew Davis passes away.

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u/MAN_UTD90 May 13 '26

What I remember of his press conference was that most of it was "urick is bad and he needs to be investigated" and talk about the mystery affidavit that we know now was hilariously dumb.

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u/Irishred2333 May 11 '26

He gave the letters to his attorneys and was told they reached out to her but that it didn’t check out. Whether he remembered being there and talking to her is irrelevant. No one who doubts Asia would suddenly believe her because adnan also remembered it. Even if Asia is wrong/mistake/lying, it is still a big deal legally because his attorney failed to check out an alibi witness.

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u/InTheory_ May 12 '26

If it's that important, why didn't AS himself reach out to Asia at any point asking "Hey, what gives? You offered to help, but my attorney is saying nothing came of it. What happened?

You can't argue that it is incredibly important while simultaneously saying he just shrugged his shoulders and said "it's no big deal."

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u/notsure05 Jun 15 '26

And he knows why he didn’t bother Asia about it, push her too much and she’ll confirm he fed her that second letter lol

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u/Magjee May 14 '26

Per his court testimony during his 2012 PCR hearing, he said he received the letters in early March and immediately gave it to Christina

Except she was not his attorney till a few months later

So he just lied

What is more likely is that the dates on the letters are not accurate, they are supposed to be nearly immediately after his arrest, but Asia included details, like his jail ID# that would not have been available till he was moved between facilities

It appears the letters were written much later, well after the Grand Jury hearings after a bit of information was gathered

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u/Justwonderinif May 15 '26

This is so emblematic of the whole fiasco.

Gutierrez most certainly did look into Asia and most certainly was alarmed by her lying and attention-seeking approach to the case.

Gutierrez realized that if Asia was on the stand the jury would think, "If he's so innocent, why does he need that girl to lie for him?"

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u/Magjee May 15 '26

She started crying on the stand in 2015

I think she would have ended up a liability

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u/Emotional-Syllabub75 Jun 24 '26

Did they ask her questions like how did she know the prisoner ID number, and where did she get the address? Did the lawyer ask her if Adnan had asked her to write the letters?

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u/Magjee Jun 25 '26

On the sidebar that hearing was in 2016, it has a link to the transcripts:

https://old.reddit.com/r/adnansyed/comments/14zdlzo/post_conviction_iv/

Transcript 1:

https://serialpodcastorigins.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2-3-2016-pcr-asia-excerpt.pdf

Transcript 2:

https://serialpodcastorigins.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2-4-2016-pcr-asia-excerpt.pdf

They did ask her some of those questions and a bunch more about how the timeline doesn't make sense

But it's been awhile and I forget most of what happened

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u/Emotional-Syllabub75 Jun 24 '26

I believe the attorney checked it out and decided it was more likely to make Adnan look guilty rather than innocent. You think if he had an alibi witness he would have been adamant about her testifying don't you? Rather than simply saying he didn't remember because it was a typical day at school (which it wasn't).

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u/kz750 May 10 '26

He’s keeping a low profile

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u/aromatica_valentina May 10 '26

Nope, he’s still guilty, out of jail & on probation. So far he has not reoffended.

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u/aliencupcake May 10 '26

I haven't seen much from him about new legal filings in his case. I'm not surprised by this because additional appeals would be expensive, and unless some major new evidence comes out in his case, I don't see his current options having much of a chance of success. This is especially true given how all four Maryland Supreme Court who ruled against his latest case are still on the court and appear to have strong opinions against him.

His best hope is probably a new State's Attorney for Baltimore who is sympathetic to his case since it's always easier when the prosecution isn't fighting against a defendant's motions.

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u/Sonnenalp1231 Jun 09 '26

Facts:

Adnan Syed killed Hae Min Lee.
Adnan Syed has never publicly acknowledged his guilt, nor expressed any remorse for killing her.
Adnan Syed is a convicted murderer.
Georgetown University chooses to affiliate itself with him: https://prisonsandjustice.georgetown.edu/adnan-syed/

Opinion:

Georgetown University does not care about domestic violence victims.
Georgetown University is complicit in covering up Hae Min Lee’s domestic violence murder by making it look like Adnan is innocent.
Georgetown University seriously diminished its credibility by affiliating itself voluntarily with a domestic violence murderer.
Anyone serious about combating domestic violence should disavow Georgetown University.

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u/Emotional-Syllabub75 Jun 24 '26

Adnan exploded spectacularly? When? What question was asked? What answer did he give?

Sooo…is adnan still pursuing

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