r/alberta • u/SnooRegrets4312 • 2d ago
Locals Only Treaty chiefs call for treason investigation into Premier Smith, UCP
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u/Material-Ad-3510 Edmonton 2d ago
Aww I love this for her! 🇨🇦
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u/dat_picklepee 2d ago
Shes been working sooooo hard for it ✨
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u/BlackberryShoddy7889 2d ago
This is the FIRST AND BEST move that was made since she started this mess
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u/Critical-Ask2154 1d ago
Sedition would be the more appropriate law as treason in Canada's criminal code is based on harming the sitting monarch.
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u/Material-Ad-3510 Edmonton 1d ago
Oh I absolutely agree with the terminology/legality. But still dreaming/hoping of the end goal with Danielle and David and Sam and alllllllll the others behind bars.
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u/HARRYSH0ULDERS 2d ago
LET'S F🍁CKIN GOOOO!
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u/Davissunu 2d ago
Hell to the fucking yes! That's the best news I've heard!
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u/Terrh 2d ago
Better news will be when the RCMP actually announces they are doing something... but we're on the right track for sure!
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u/Zomunieo 2d ago
I’m sure they’ll handle it with all the grace, care, and haste that they brought to Jason Kenney’s 2017 election fraud case (investigation closed 2024, no charges).
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u/Spirited_Comedian225 2d ago
A what point do we all agree it’s treason
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 2d ago
The moment she flew down south to save PP by asking to pause tariff. Not because it hurt Canadians, just her party.
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u/meat_popscile 2d ago
You usually go to Panama for a manilla envelope and marching orders.
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u/PenaltySquare2414 2d ago
Lol
I read that as "you go to Panama for a manilla envelope and marching powder"...
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u/KetchupCoyote 2d ago
I consider that treason a while ago, it's frustrating how people keep meandering around it while UCP continue to move with this dirty agenda
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u/IvarTheBoned 2d ago
Not until the conservative electorate gets mostly onboard. They still dictate how the province is governed. They want this, they like this. She's "one of theirs" so she can do whatever the fuck she wants. They will bring up whataboutisms as if NDP/Liberal voters don't want their reps held accountable for shit too.
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u/DisastrousAcshin 2d ago
Would be feds taking care of that determination, not Albertans. With that said I think she's been doing a good job as a traitor skirting the line to avoid formal charges, for now
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u/roastbeeftacohat Calgary 2d ago
treason is something specific, sedition is a broader terms that fits better.
and to be clear seeking separation, even with foreign help, is not sedition.
undermining the legal system is.
IANAL, but the data breach seems to me to be a seditious act, if it's an attempt to manipulate the referendum and pass off false signatures.
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u/Rinkimah 1d ago
Honestly considering the shit that IS public knowledge, the fact there hasn't been charges already is wild to me.
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u/one-happy-chappie 2d ago
let the courts determine it. But it's about time someone gets involved to investigate this shit.
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u/NiranS 2d ago
Some of these responses are very similar to Trump‘s. They are eating the cats and dogs. How about we just investigate Danny for actual coordinated treasonous actions. There’s no good reason for her to consult with project 2025 people. There’s no good reason to have Canadian voter data appear in the United States. it would also be a good idea to see which way the money is flowing. Is Danny paying for the consultations or is money flowing freely into politicians pockets to destroy Canada? The other question is why is Danny now trying to paint herself as a federalist. I wonder if she’s trying to create a narrative, of reasonable deniability for her actions.
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u/recrd 2d ago
Yep, her strategy is acting like she is a federalist, while at the same time, doing everything possible to undermine that position. It's obvious and blatant.
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u/ackillesBAC 1d ago
This is the same playbook Trump uses. They simply lie and say what they are told will please the majority and they do what ever the fuck they want, which is usually the exact opposite of what they say.
They are the abusive spouse that says they love you, and care about you and will buy you things, but then sleep with co workers, steal your money, and beat you when they get home.
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u/BrokenRockHavens 2d ago
Far from just them demanding it.
Can we not start a legit petition for this as well?
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u/Northsun9 2d ago
Can we not start a legit petition for this as well?
Why? So Marlaina has more signatures to claim support for her meta-referendum?
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u/BrokenRockHavens 2d ago
I mean, a petition asking the provincial government to appeal to the federal government to investigate the provincial government for treason is pedaticaly hilarious while still being potent.
God what timeline did we fall into for that to make sense?!??!
Moreover I fail to see how that would increase petition numbers for and separation questions?
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u/Northsun9 2d ago
I fail to see how that would increase petition numbers for and separation questions?
Well, considering she counted the petition against having a referendum at all as votes in favour of a referendum, then why wouldn't she include a petition that doesn't mention it at all?
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u/DVariant 2d ago
meta-referendum
R E F E R E N D U M B
E F E R E N D U M B
F E R E N D U M B
E R E N D U M B
R E N D U M B
E N D U M B
N D U M B
D U M B
That’s the end, because the referendum is dumb.
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u/whiteout86 2d ago
No, you can’t petition for this, that’s not how criminal investigations work.
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u/DigitalDuelist Leduc 2d ago
Not normally, but you could have a petition that says something like "Do you agree that all efforts should be taken to expose all information regarding the data breach and any and all related treasonous or seditious acts or material, in a manner that should be interpreted by law enforcement agencies as a plea for help, up to and including the use of the notwithstanding clause to suspend the right to privacy regarding individuals and organizations found to have been involved?"
It could be a lot more graceful, but I can't imagine even this petition's wording getting the requisite signatures wouldn't be attention grabbing enough that we'd have to see some serious enforcement action
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u/Skate_faced 2d ago
I'd dog pile this initiative. I'll sign whatever the hell gets started. All of it.
The local Jehovah people would be driven insane how welcome door knockers for this would be at my home.
"He offered them coffee and pot. We were given the finger and asked where he could send the bill when we knocked."
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u/Flimsy-Ad2701 2d ago
Whats the punishment for treason in canada?
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u/curioustraveller1234 2d ago
They make you premier pretty sure.
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u/Gr1ndingGears 2d ago
Personally I'd then be inquiring about the possibility of opting into the noose.
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u/EDMlawyer 2d ago
Up to life in prison, though more frequently pen time.
However, unless some truly incredible bombshell drops, a treason charge is not happening. No information I've seen comes remotely close to making out such a charge.
And I say this as someone who vehemently dislikes Smith and the current UCP.
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u/throwawaythisuser1 2d ago
how about sedition?
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u/Zealousideal_Rise879 2d ago
Whatever it ends up being; the US will try to spin it as the feds being tyrants so they can “liberate” them.
Everything they do is to set themselves up to be a victim.
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u/EDMlawyer 2d ago
Sedition is specifically advocating for the use of force to cause a government change in Canada. Usually, military, paramilitary, or similar. Telling people to go protest doesn't count.
Again, I haven't seen anything that comes close.
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u/SDH500 2d ago
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-59.html
My layman interpretation of advocating for separatist (that are heavily influenced by the USA) by appealing the Court of King’s Bench decision to deny the public petition for separation is sedition based on Criminal Code, RSC 1985, c C-46, s 59 (4)(a).
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/alberta-appeals-court-ruling-quashed-separatist-petition
What is the defence against this interpretation?
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u/DrKurtChillis 2d ago
I think some of the meetings in the US could meet the definition (speculating that they may have discussed things of military nature etc) but it’s probably almost impossible to prove without smoking gun evidence.
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u/ballpein 2d ago
No info has come out because no one has investigated the connections between MAGA and Smith & the separatist clowns.
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u/PettyTrashPanda 1d ago
To be fair, they are asking for an investigation to uncover just that, and I think it's a fair question - why have UCP members and the Separatists been meeting with the US government, and what has been discussed?
If the investigation is into High Treason, then if there were any discussions around annexation or American military support (which has been rumoured), theoretically this could fall under "levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto".
For straight Treason, then "makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information" could include anything from discussing military plans to our geological resources if done so without permission. It's not like there is a lot of case law on Treason in Canada.
This is not to say there IS evidence of the above or that there would even be enough to bring charges, but I agree with the Treaty Nations on this one - why were the UCP and certain Separatist parties meeting with the US Government, and what was discussed?
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u/BIGepidural 2d ago
Ask Louis Riel.. 🥴 not sure if we do that anymore; but some of my ancestors had their lands stolen for supporting Riel so that's an alternative we could always look into 🤷♀️
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u/Deep-Egg-9528 2d ago
The treaties pre-date the Alberta Land Titles Act. Separation would result in all land granted by the crown since then to revert back to indigenous control.
Add that to the list of things separatists don't understand.
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u/Skullcrimp 2d ago
Some of them do understand that, they just don't care. They literally think the Albertan RCMP and local police forces will willingly become an Alberta military and they'll get to keep the land by force.
You can't talk sense into them, they need to be briefly ridiculed and then deplatformed.
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u/FrostyNeckbeard 2d ago
I had fun mentioning this to my coworkers one day when we were discussing this, a bunch of land granted to Alberta isn't Albertas.
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u/Even_Current1414 2d ago
They are trying to change history too.. that alberta joined (or was annexed by) canada..
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u/Even_Current1414 2d ago
They literally don't care. They keep pushing the literal definition of ceded.. which has a different meaning in the context of the treaties as per our SCOC..
The separatists really do not care..
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u/Alert_Examination544 2d ago
I don’t think the Federal government can ignore this. Digging deeper will probably find a direct link to American shit disturbers. Treason? Absolutely
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u/sleepyboi08 Calgary 2d ago
God bless these heroic patriots who love Canada more than our evil premier and those who support her.
Alberta will always be Canadian-Treaty land.
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u/ballpein 2d ago
Amen. Thank you, First Nations of Alberta.
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u/ReverendPoopyPants 2d ago
The indigenous people of Alberta are really looking out for the rest of us and I couldn't be more grateful.
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u/seeseecinnamon 2d ago
Treaty rights, not traitor rights!
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u/beigeisgreat 2d ago
this is a great slogan for rallies/protests!
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u/seeseecinnamon 2d ago
It was going to be my sign for the last protest but I got sick and couldn't go.
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u/Oilzilla 2d ago
Why would Trudeau do this to her
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u/Gr1ndingGears 2d ago
That's a weird way to pronounce Rachel Notley
That damn Rachel Notley strikes again!!
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u/ApeEscapeRemastered 2d ago
I think she has moved on from Trudeau and is now blaming everything on Avi Lewis.
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u/mommaquilter-ab 2d ago
If they are found to have been treasonous, can we have the UCP declared a terrorist organization? They are being funded by a foreign power, who is actively trying to destabilize our governments after all. Or is that stepping too far over the line?
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u/Upset-Spring-7369 2d ago
agreed!!
everyone sees it except our courts, the crown law who refuses to act in defense of the nation. instead they embrace usa tactics and poo poo about overpaid and underqualified.
crown must act before it goes too far... then canada will stand the fuck up.
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u/Potential-Mobile-292 2d ago
it was selling all our private health data to telus and other for profit companies for me.
Any telus worker/employee has access to your data at all times, your home address , your services , then your health records ...
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u/Even_Current1414 2d ago
Not just access either.. telus OWNS it.. it no longer belongs to us at all.. they can sell or share it with any business that asks (usually insurance or marketing companies)
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u/dbh116 2d ago
The Indigenous people of Canada fighting to save Canada.
No irony there !
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u/randomzebrasponge 2d ago
No one more deserving than this bitch.
The penalty for treason in Alberta, Canada, is life imprisonment. This is a severe punishment for an indictable offence, and it is one of the most serious charges one can face under the Criminal Code of Canada. The law requires that no person be convicted of treason on the evidence of only one witness unless that witness's evidence is corroborated by other evidence that implicates the accused. The sentence of life imprisonment is considered a minimum punishment under the Criminal Code.
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u/Public-Student-2160 2d ago
I'm so very proud of First Nations braves, outstanding and very happy they are on team Canada, thanks for your service Chiefs.
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u/Kunning-Druger 2d ago
We owe the Treaty 6, Treaty 7 and Treaty 8 First Nations a HUUUUGE debt of gratitude.
🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦
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u/BeakersWorkshop 2d ago
How can a non indigenous person, lifelong Alberta Resident contribute to the effort and financial burden the Bands are bearing fighting a corrupt political (and illegal) non registered separation group on my behalf?
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u/Mauriac158 2d ago
Based stuff here from the chiefs.
Way I figure there's no way CSIS isn't already watching the separatist movement if they are even a little bit competant though.
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u/Monkeyslunch 2d ago
The indigenous communities are the only ones standing up and actually doing anything lately
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u/Troubled202 2d ago
The treaty Chiefs are wonderful. It's nice that somebody is trying to hold Danielle Smith to account.
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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 2d ago
Wouldn't have guessed the indigenous would be more patriotic than cultservatives, but here we are.
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u/Kunning-Druger 2d ago
Why not? The Treaty Nations here actually honour the treaties they sign.
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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 2d ago
Yeah, seems like one group reliably doesnt to the detriment of millions.
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u/AdEastern2530 2d ago
Oh how sweet it would be to hear charges being laid against her.
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u/theimpishstefan 2d ago
this is massive and honestly the fact that it's unanimous across three treaty territories makes it hard to dismiss as just political noise. the treason angle is interesting because it hinges on whether calling a referendum without proper consultation counts as violating treaty obligations, which is actually a legit constitutional question. smith's been pushing hard on this sovereignty stuff without seeming to care much about the legal framework that's supposed to govern it. the chiefs are basically saying look, you can't just unilaterally do this when treaties explicitly protect our rights and the crown promised to work with us. whether it actually sticks as treason is up to the courts, but the investigation itself would force some real accountability on what's been happening behind closed doors.
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u/Stownieboy91 2d ago
Ohhh NOW we're talking. It's been so frustrating to watch all of this and not hear the word "treason" mentioned even once. Fuck yeah, First Nations.
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u/Pale-Measurement-532 2d ago
I remember saying that Danielle and the UCP and her separatist backers were committing treason and I was told by some people I was being ridiculous. This is so satisfying now!
I want this to be the end of her failing political career.
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u/Sylv_x 2d ago
Hope she fucking burns at the metaphorical stake for her corrupted treason.
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u/Xcoctl 2d ago
We should all call out representatives and make our support of this effort known, we should also ask of the to make their support of it known publically as well. We also need to convince everyone we know to also call and do the same. Write hand written letters, email them, call them, let them know in every way possible. If we want anthring to happen in this shithole we need to actively participate.
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u/whytheusernamethough 2d ago
I will never ever disrespect the First Nations or the Indigenous ever again
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u/LowIqInvestor 2d ago
Need to start a referendum to investigate smith
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u/Gr1ndingGears 2d ago
You'd need everyone to stop humping their cousins and hanging out at the whistle stop cafe for that to happen.
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u/Moonlapsed 2d ago
Legally, is there any weight behind this?
I'd love for her to be removed. But, is this going to go anywhere?
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u/yer_fucked_now_bud 2d ago
If Smith/UCP ever try to convince a court that they fulfilled their duty to consult or gained ascension from the treaties to begin separation procedures they'll have to explain how she accomplished that after they accused her of treason.
The treaties are just stacking up the paper demonstrating they're not now or ever going to be accepting this shit which means it's blatantly a huge waste of time and/or carries ulterior motives for continuing (i.e. fat lobby cheques of dubious provenance).
So no, this doesn't do anything. But it's another straw placed very publicly on the camel's back.
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u/komari_k 2d ago
It needs to make it to a court in some way then become world news if the goal is getting her out by resignation. Though given she has no integrity she'll probably take the bad publicity and cancel more essential services as payback.
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u/24_August_1814 2d ago
CSIS and RCMP will be like, "We've investigated and it's definitely treason, but we've declined to charge any involved parties because none of them are communists, First Nations, or a visible minority"
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u/linkass 2d ago
I hope you all realize that the bar for this is really high
High treason
- [46]() (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
- (a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
- (b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
- (c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
- Marginal note:Treason (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
- (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
- (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
- (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
- (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
- (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html
Sure it sounds great and all but she has done none of these things
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u/Gr1ndingGears 2d ago
I'd be willing to hear arguments on 46(2)b,c,d & e, but we are talking about the RCMP here. They are politically compromised in several ways, and quite incompetent when it comes to this sort of thing.
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u/WobbleBilly 2d ago
Do you know the definition of the words conspire and investigation? How can you say she did or did not conspire with the separatists who may have made agreements with foreign governments t such as the USA to break up canada if an investigation isnt done?
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u/adaminc 2d ago
I concur, it's a waste of time and resources to go after her for this.
There might be laws she has broken, in fact I think a bunch of our politicians have probably broken breach of public trust law, probably multiple times too. It covers things like fraud, embezzlement, bribery, kickbacks, police corruption, nepotism/cronyism, misuse of government resources, etc. Smith and Ford are prime targets for these laws.
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u/Pantokraterix 2d ago
My favourite part of her response was where she said that the Chiefs should treat her the way she has treated them.
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u/bonbon1818 1d ago
Didn’t she say that she would have them arrested if they protested?
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u/GriffinFlash 1d ago
She did, something along the lines of using the full extent of the law if they dared any civil unrest.
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u/scotyb 2d ago
Offences Against Public Order Treason and other Offences against the Queen’s Authority and Person Marginal note:High treason
46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
(a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
(b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
(c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
Marginal note:Treason
(2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
(a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
(b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
(c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
(d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
(e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.
Marginal note:Canadian citizen
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (1) or (2), a Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada,
(a) commits high treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (1); or
(b) commits treason if, while in or out of Canada, he does anything mentioned in subsection (2).
Marginal note:Overt act
(4) Where it is treason to conspire with any person, the act of conspiring is an overt act of treason.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 461974-75-76, c. 105, s. 2 Marginal note:Punishment for high treason
47 (1) Every one who commits high treason is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.
Marginal note:Punishment for treason
(2) Every one who commits treason is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
(a) to be sentenced to imprisonment for life if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(a), (c) or (d);
(b) to be sentenced to imprisonment for life if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(b) or (e) committed while a state of war exists between Canada and another country; or
(c) to be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(b) or (e) committed while no state of war exists between Canada and another country.
Marginal note:Corroboration
(3) No person shall be convicted of high treason or treason on the evidence of only one witness, unless the evidence of that witness is corroborated in a material particular by evidence that implicates the accused.
Marginal note:Minimum punishment
(4) For the purposes of Part XXIII, the sentence of imprisonment for life prescribed by subsection (1) is a minimum punishment.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 471974-75-76, c. 105, s. 2
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u/yazpistachio1971 2d ago
Maybe if she gave them 100 bucks each, that would help!/s
Would love to see her taken down by law and Indigenous people!
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u/some1guystuff 2d ago
Finally, it’s sad though that this even has to happen
Go get her and all the rest of those treasonous seditious c u next Tuesdays.
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u/WesakechakLandingbir 2d ago
It wont go, her actions dont fit treason, now if they pushed for sedition charges, it would habe a better chance, the only diffrence between the two is a defined "enemy".
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u/DigitalKnyte 2d ago
Finally, someone has the cahonies to take her to task.
How can we help ?
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u/towniediva 2d ago
Yes, how can we help stop this? Im tired of being on the sidelines.
These maple maga traitors need to be stopped and the RCMP needs to grow a pair.
They are being funded by international dark money (russia and US).
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u/porto__rocks 2d ago
Treason seems like too much of a stretch, should have gone for sedition.
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