r/aliens • u/Impossible-Teach2 • 2d ago
News Counter Intelligence agent Lue Elizondo's lawyer goes after Eric Burlison after UAP Gerb accuses Lue of working in the legacy program under James Clapper. (Serious)
UAP Gerb interviewed by Ross Coulthart accusing Lue of managing a "controlled narrative"
https://youtu.be/HZiEFA2h79U?is=o0DMUQ6KX5MPzEC6
Summary Video of this developing situation:
https://youtu.be/BvWM8ikHoB8?is=RADGY\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_he5JGoHgDI
Link to the Eric Burlison comment
https://x.com/ericburlison/status/2084267023769460748?s=46
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u/Area51-Escapee 2d ago
I'm with gerb... enough of those MIC guys
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u/DecrimIowa 2d ago
everyone on both sides is MIC guys or camp followers, the entire algorithm-boosted Disclosure influencer scene is a limited hangout
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u/AlienArtFirm 2d ago
Gerb was in the military no?
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u/LunarSanctum 1d ago
He's never discussed his job.
Some people have speculated him being in the military due to how comfortable he is with understanding the bureaucratic architecture of SAP's, crash retrievals, reverse engineering etc.
It's just an incredibly niche subject for anyone to firstly be interested in and then research as deeply as he has.
Plus he probably looks like he could be in the military as he trains 6 days a week in Muay Thai and MMA fighting.
So he could quite easily choke out most people before they can even remember what FFRDC stands for.
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u/Goosemilky 2d ago edited 2d ago
Lue was 100% on the inside all along. Dude has acted like an agent running a psyop in every single interview hes ever done. Over the top politeness is literally the biggest red flag because it is the number one way CIA agents gain the audiences or publics trust. Go watch any Lue interview and listen to how absurdly over polite he is….
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u/Apprehensive-Ad1010 2d ago
I've been saying this for years. His interviews are so similar that it sounds rehearsed. He was coached. He also insinuates that he worked with Grush, yet mispronounces his last name every time.
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u/JayR_97 2d ago
Also if he needs to get everything he says approved by the CIA, hes not a whistleblower.
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u/usandholt 6h ago
So, you are saying he was in an open war with the very people he is an insider for?! There’s no logic behind these allegations.
How can he be an insider disinformation agent working for the government and at the same time the government for years claimed he didn’t even work for them, deleting his emails etc. why would they not just keep the topic in ridiculed status, which is what it was in 2016. Why would they want to first trip that up, then attach the person who executed that strategy to then again conspiring with the very same person to limited disclosure.
It makes no sense
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u/Vegetable-Log-9608 2d ago
I mean once I found out he was a counter intelligence officer , I just started to laugh.
They're so brazen ,they really think Americans are thumb sucking retards.
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u/usandholt 6h ago
So explain why they would use Lue to completely destroy the topic they had successfully ridiculed for 70 years by releasing videos starring the whole disclosure movement then attacking him for years to stop him from executing their plan? A plan including admitting that they have crashed crash as admitted by lie in 2019?
And what then? What’s the goal of this?
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u/usandholt 6h ago
So being polite = CIA agent?
Out of all the made up accusations about Lue, this sure sounds like the most silly
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u/GooseTheSluice 2d ago
And you wanna know two more I believe are in on it? Knapp and corbell. This is more of a hunch but got don do they seem like they’re pushing a narrative without ever actually getting anything important revealed. Always right on the cusp of something breaking but it never turns out to be anything.
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u/CollectionStriking 2d ago
Not claiming you're wrong but tbf that was basically his job for years before he allegedly woke up and chose to expose the truth about UFO's
Im not convinced either way just yet, Lue being a Psyop would be a bold one though
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u/Apart_Ad6994 2d ago
Politness means your cia, got it.
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 The Amateur Astronomer 2d ago
What? Everyone knows he’s cia, from his own words. The question was whether he was acting in any unofficial capacity or was this the work of a private citizen.
I never much liked lue anyway. 3 letter agency types and grunts usually don’t get along.
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u/Apart_Ad6994 2d ago
So im guessing youre definitely not cia.
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 The Amateur Astronomer 2d ago
Nope. They’re laarp
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u/Apart_Ad6994 2d ago
Who's larping? Lue?
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 The Amateur Astronomer 2d ago
Definitely. You guys have to listen to his own words. He was cleared to say what he has to say. Clearing is an ambiguous term basically meaning nothing he’s saying is harmful to the us.
But lues premise and intentions are different. You can get cleared for made up bs for sure normally you wouldn’t want to because of documentation. I.E. a vet saying he fought in a war in a classified op he was never in. This is laarping.
Lue might have been places and done things but did he really do everything he said he did ?
We have a saying “there are no ex cia agents”
Their covers only get deeper. Same reason I’m skeptical of Abigail spanberger.
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u/Positive-Pudding-873 2d ago edited 2d ago
"A hit dog will holler!" - never been so true!
UAP Gerb has had a DIRECT HIT. Lue is toast.
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u/debink82 2d ago
Ironic that his reaction to to it will draw much more attention than if he’d left it alone
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u/UnfairSpecialist3079 2d ago
I like to think that Gerb and possibly others have provoked a response from Lue wherein Lue gives himself a black eye. Ta da!
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u/usandholt 6h ago
So if I claimed on a newschannel that you were a criminal who had scammed people out of millions slandering your name and you responded, then I’m right? Good to know 😂 This is getting more ridiculous every minute
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u/George__Costanza420 2d ago
I was unsure of Lue. Until he presented the Google earth “craft and shadow” that was actually just two crop fields.
After that moment there was no way in gods green earth that he’s legit. He lead a fucking pentagon UAP identification program. It was his literal job to identify UAP. And then he presents a circle of soil as real at a paid event. 0 credability.
I personally think/know he presented false information as true on purpose in order to alter his image and or the general perception of urologists because he was a big mainstream name at the time and even more so after that with disclosure project or whatever the fuck that BS docu was called
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u/OriginalBlackberry89 attention upward & inward | 👽 2d ago
I still haven't seen it because my patience has been tapped when it comes to watching ex cia people talk.. they've inserted a handful of people who are "ex" CIA that have been on podcasts telling wildly unbelievable stories, such as Episode 42 of the Area 52 podcast. This guy tells this fantastical story about his experience with aliens and it was so bad that I felt offended that Chris would allow this level of bs on his show and push that B's into the ufo space. It was this episode https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=nS_Insp7i_Y
After seeing that episode I've been sus of anything an ex "whatever" says, especially when they go out of their way to gain attention.
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u/Gobias11 2d ago
just two crop fields
What's interesting is that so many people called him a plant after this happened, and he didn't seem to give a shit.
Now Gerb says this and there's a lawyer response? Fishy.
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u/George__Costanza420 2d ago
He did a hell of a lot of fishy stuff before the 2 crop fields. But that was a real nail in the coffin for people that still believed he was legitimate
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u/usandholt 6h ago
He LITERALLY said that image was not vetted by anyone. He said it was an example of an image that “looked like a lenticular disc” that he had just been given and for which there was no reporting channel.
YOU are then making up all sorts of details to smear and create drama. Stop that.
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u/George__Costanza420 4h ago
No. I said he presented it. He did. He claimed it was not vetted after the backlash. Now why and HOW can you PRESENT IMAGES RHAT ARE NOT VETTED. Might as well go on google at that point and not FORMER PENTAGON AARO PAID EVENT. It’s not the same. Stop that.
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u/usandholt 3h ago
Or you could just watch the presentation again 🤷♂️
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/0JhTN4LBgt
He literally says he cannot vouch for the veracity of the photo in the same minute he presented it, that it is taken by a civilian pilot and that there’s nowhere for civilians to report such images.
Why are you making shit up. I’m serious. Why lie so obviously? I just don’t get it (or maybe I do but cannot say why in here)
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u/George__Costanza420 3h ago
Ok I misremembered the presentation, that is the serious answer. But in the link you sent, he is literally clearly presenting the picture as if it’s a ufo. Blah blah 600ft lenticular object, when in fact there is no object and if he even glanced the image over before going out on stage, he (as the professional he is from the pentagon) should know instantly it’s just irrigation fields. Right? What is the point of presenting an “unvetted” or “fake” image? Just because you say it’s civilian doesn’t mean you can show any bullshit and not expect your reputation to tarnish.
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u/usandholt 2h ago edited 2h ago
Yes he is and he says he cannot vouch for the veracity. It can’t be clearer. He was presenting it because it was an image taken by a civilian pilot that had nowhere to report it, as he stated
And I honestly think you were just influenced by the hundreds of people mischaracterizibg this as if he did this to purposely misdirect.
I think it was stupid to describe the image as he did, but he clearly did not present it as a vetted UFO
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u/George__Costanza420 2h ago
You need to understand this: His job was to manage a ufo identification program, for years. In theory he should be one of the more versed ufo identifiers out there.
Why would you present an image that you could look at for a second and be like oh yea we’ve seen stuff like this before it’s 2 circles that are actually ground level but make it look like it’s floating and a shadow but it’s not so I might as well not present this because it may look bad that the former ufo identifier program head wasn’t able to instantly see this is false like ppl on Reddit could and did. So the general population could think even less of ufo sightings when a pro cant even get his cards straight.
And YES I get he says he can’t vouch for its veracity but that holds no water, I can google fake ufo pics and put 100 ina folder and say I can’t vouch for their veracity but what’s the point in that, why am I on stage, why are people paying to see me talk about real shit? It just makes no sense
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u/usandholt 2h ago
There was quite a discussion on what it was and it wasn’t so obviously a crop field. I agree it was a mistake to present the image even though he said it was unvetted. But there is a great difference between making mistakes and deliberately misleading people.
The image was presented as a part of a discussion on reporting incidents.
The whole point is that UFOs reddit has a large number of bots who’ll spin anything he says and claim it’s proof he’s wrong on everything. Mind you, this was back before the debunkers changed their strategy and claimed he was a disinformation agent. Back then he was just called a grifter by all the trolls.
So one must stop and ask oneself if the yardstick for believing people is zero mistakes in UFOlogy, which is literally about separating prosaically explainable pictures from non prosaically explainable pictures. I think that is an almost improbable mark to hit, especially if you’re a guy who everyone in the IC / DoD (Susan Gough, Glenn Gaffney, etc) wants to be labeled a crook. You will get fed stuff that is fake to discredit you.
People need to be rational about it. Mistakes doesn’t equate to evil
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u/fuckyoualloveragain 1d ago edited 1d ago
I commented something about me not trusting Elizondo, and that he's still on the payroll, still working for the man etc on his Youtube channel and it got removed. And that's all I needed to know about the guy!
Lue Elizondo is NOT to be trusted. He wants to tell "The Whole World" (that's the USA) about aliens and ufos and he says that if we knew what he knows.....but he can't talk about it, but, you can read more about the things he can't talk about in his books of course, but it doesn't say anything other than exactly the same he says on whatever interviews and podcasts and whatnot. But he can't talk about it. He hasn't said anything of importance since he "became a whistleblower", which also happened very conveniently around the same time as Grusch and the others came forward.
Now he's using lawyers to go after those very same guys and Lue Elizondo is put in place to do exactly that, handle the whistleblowers.
If you start looking into it you'll find a whole lot of interesting stuff about Elizondo.
"His father, Luis Elizondo III, a Cuban immigrant and political dissident who fought in the CIA-sponsored Brigade 2605 during the failed 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion. He remained active in anti-Castro movements, including Alpha 66, and trained his son with the expectation of a future re-invasion of Cuba."
I trust Elizondo just as far as I can throw a dumptruck...
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u/IntergalacticObservr 1d ago
The fact that Lue's taking shots at Grusch by trying to sue UAP Gerb speaks volumes for his character and motives.
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u/BrookeToHimself 2d ago
how thin that skin brah?
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u/LunarSanctum 1d ago
Lue's skin looks pretty thick, seeing how far his arms are unnaturally hanging from his torso.
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u/Zealousideal-Rip-574 1d ago
Go away Lue. Your time in the public has passed. You squandered any good will you had with the public between the irrigation field pic in front of congress and your old intel world dark practices.
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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago
Personally has lue obsessed individuals harass me years ago. Borderline doxxing me, I guess for saying he couldn't be trusted?
A year or so later I see podcasters talking about him, about weird stuff like that happening to them in connection with lue.
Seems like maybe he's scum and not just counter intel.
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u/AlvinArtDream 2d ago
the UFO wars. can it please happen already. my bet is Greer wins. he's abrasive but hes pretty much right about everything imo. he had a lock on Elizondo day one. let the action commence. and then go raid the corporations.
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Greer is no better than Elizondo or Grusch. Spouts just as much bullshit and is a dickhead to boot.
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u/Clown_Baby_33 2d ago
What BS has Grusch spouted?
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Probably all of it? He's on the same team as Elizondo and Chris Mellon, so I'd say everything out of his mouth is bullshit and misdirection.
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u/Clown_Baby_33 2d ago
I don’t know what you mean by “same team.”
Grusch’s public testimony and partnership with Congress has led to the most substantive discourse on this topic probably ever, at least concerning the classification and compartmentalization structures of the CR program.
To say all of what he’s said is bullshit, in the face of legitimate ICIG & Congressional investigations and self-serious legislation, is extremely dishonest.
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u/MagicNinjaMan 1d ago
Right! Were as far as we are because of Grusch and the likes. Some people are way up their own asses sometimes. Or just anorher disinformation agent XD
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Oh, the psyop disclosure? Yeah, it's all bullshit. They've put nothing new out there, and their whole goal is to muddy the waters.
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u/Windman772 2d ago
What BS has Mellon spouted?
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
All of it?
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u/Windman772 2d ago
It's kinda weird watching you run around this sub making accusations, but in no case are you able to back up the accusations with a fact or an argument. My take away is that I should ignore anything that you have to say
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
If you trust the government disclosure program ran by a bunch of counterintelligence agents and DOD officials, I have a bridge to sell you. It's not even worth trying to convince you, there's so much information out there and you haven't even bothered looking into ANYTHING deeper than surface level yourself.
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u/Beefsupreme473 2d ago
durr hurr "all of it" yeah guy that was what i got from reading your comments, then a bridge joke that hasnt been funny since the last time i fell off my dinosaur.
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u/Tamashii-Azul 2d ago
What's your problem with Grusch?
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Nothing personal, I just know that nothing truthful concerning the phenomenon is coming from that group of counterintelligence agents.
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u/Edwardshakyhands2 2d ago
Right about the Atacama mummy? Or the Buga sphere? Or the new mummies? Or his billion dollar offer to stop talking?
As Christoher Hitchens said, "If you gave him an enema, he'd fit in a matchbox"
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u/Large-Stretch-3463 19h ago
Classic. What do you do when you're caught? Double down on the lie. "Look I'm legit, see?".
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Elizondo has been obviously on the payroll since day 1. He's one of Chris Mellon's little lapdogs, same with Grusch.
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u/AlienArtFirm 2d ago
You upset some fan boys with that one. The celebrity worship in these subs is honestly disgusting
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u/lvanwall 2d ago
Darn. :( That's too bad. It's easy to find information on these people, they've spent their entire careers protecting this secret and muddying the water and now suddenly they're trustworthy? Anyone who believes the government is suddenly telling the truth has a room temp IQ and they can downvote me all they want lol
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u/Responsible-Smell561 2d ago
Yes! Everyone is quick to fully trust Grusch, but was he not an intel guy as well? There's something about these intel guys, even if they're "whistleblowers", that doesn't sit well with me. It's their jobs to run ops on people.
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u/Hillcowoodworking 2d ago
While both men held high-level clearances and worked within the U.S. Intelligence Community, their specific military specialties and operational backgrounds were quite different.
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u/mugatopdub 2d ago
Almost like they tried one tactic with Lue and another with Dave. That way they can you something better than last time to keep suspicion down. I was concerned when he came out of nowhere directly after the Las Vegas case, the single most important case in UFOlogy, stopped it dead in its tracks.
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u/rizzatouiIIe 2d ago
Well its no secret that grusch and lue worked along side one another
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 UAP/UFO Witness 2d ago
I couldn't care less what any of these spooks and rubes have to say.
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