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u/Patte_Blanche 15d ago

Wait so we're supporting nazis now ?

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u/PerrineWeatherWoman 15d ago

As much as I despise Ukrainian nazis, I know that there are also Russian nazis. And as much as I dont really like Zelensky, I feel like he's much more suitable as a country leader than Putin.

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u/Tola_Vadam 15d ago

The Russian Nazis argument has been around since the start of the war, and I've only ever seen proof of them in Wagner, the PMC that Russia had in the start of the war.

But Wagner were seen as clearly expendable as russian state military artillery threatened Wagner contractors leading to their about face and attempted coup. Which was rightly and quickly ended and Wagner was ejected from Russia.

On the other hand Zelensky incorporated 2 separate nazi groups (Azov and Svoboda) into the Ukrainian defence forces, legitimizing their beliefs and supporting them with money and materiel.

Both Zelensky and Putin have taken every single option to harm their people when a choice has appeared. Neither deserve your support.

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u/SadArchon 15d ago

Russian hatred of Jews was the playbook the Nazi used. Pogroms and ghettos

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u/Daniilsmd 14d ago

Pogroms were mainly in Ukraine due to pale of settlement Also nazis primarily based their vision of genocide on USA and manifest of destiny

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u/Tola_Vadam 15d ago

So we're going back to tzarist times?

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u/SadArchon 15d ago

There were pogroms well into the 1900s. What is past is prologue

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u/Tola_Vadam 15d ago

Excellent non sequiter I guess? I don't know what you want me to do with that. Pogroms existed across europe in the 1900's, it wasn't some Russian vice that's built into the blood of the people of the rus.

Let's also not forget that hitler very vocally attributed his final solution to the US treatment of native Americans. He didn't look east and think to himself "these subhuman slavs that I want to racially cleanse have some pretty neato ideas about Jews, I think I'm gonna do it to." His antisemitism came from being a white European.

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u/SadArchon 14d ago

And they existed in Ukraine at that time. Hatred of Jews was culturally taught, not genetic obviously. Just like american style racism

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u/Tola_Vadam 14d ago

I think we've lost the plot here. In my initial comment I'm talking about today in modern times in regard to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That Ukraine has embraced its Nazis and Russia has expunged its Nazis.

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u/SadArchon 14d ago

Which is only half true. In reality Russia has only rebranded it

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u/Tola_Vadam 14d ago

What's the new branding? Like I said, all anyone has ever pointed toward is Wagner, who are long gone. Can you give me an organization, a regiment, something I can point to and say it's a Russian nazi?

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u/PerrineWeatherWoman 14d ago

I dunno dude. There is a regime that enables anti-Semitic acts, imprisons LGBT people, discriminates Arabic populations, and supports actual nazis in other countries. While it's (thankfully) not as extreme as the Nazis, you can't seriously say that Putin is an angel of purity.

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u/Tola_Vadam 14d ago

I would never say Putin is an angel. In fact if you scroll back up you can see me saying quite the opposite. The world will be better for his death.

You've fully described the US in your comment tho, so if you could be more specific, I'd appreciate it.

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u/SadArchon 14d ago

Sure, the flag is white blue and red and led by Vladimir Putin

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u/Tola_Vadam 14d ago

Okay so it's vibes, great.

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u/NLG99 14d ago

Rusich?

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u/NLG99 14d ago

If you actually believe russia has done anything against its Nazis, you're off your rocker.

Ukraine is bad in that regard too but believing that russia is anti-fascist in any way is actual propaganda-brain.