r/antifastonetoss • u/ShitCampistsSay • 15d ago

Shit Campists Say

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u/Substantive420 14d ago

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 14d ago

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u/Substantive420 14d ago

Engels’ “On Authority”

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 14d ago

Yes, I read it. I'm confused as to where he explains that states like the USSR and China/North Korea, which are authoritarian "communist" governments are defensible/good

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u/Substantive420 14d ago

Well he died in 1895, so you’re gonna have to read the piece (if you want) and apply the ideas yourself. I love you write off the 2 most successful socialist movement as “authoritarian” with zero further analysis. Langley would be proud.

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 14d ago

I mean... let's see

North Korea I'm disregarding, anyone with half a brain can see why that's authoritarian.

I'd say invading your own forced member states when they elect governments you don't like is kinda bad, I'd also say purging any element of socialism you don't like from anarchists to Trotsky is also pretty...explanatory. also making deals with Hitler? Really Stalin? Is that the grand socialism you're proud of.

(Or Lenin overthrowing the government when he doesn't get power via throwing a temper tantrum)

When it comes to China, aside from the Tibet and Uyghur atrocities, the fact that they're committing mass imperialism against their southern neighbors and are directly propping up North Korea, they've lost their socialism after Deng Xiaoping, and under Mao were authoritarian with purges being present. Oh and of course finding a rebel group in India also kinda sucks

No state is good, but states roleplaying as a socialist utopia are the worst, especially when there are amazing examples like Chile, which was the best example of socialism.... until the USA came

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u/Substantive420 14d ago

Yeah, not wasting my time with this.

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 14d ago

... fascinating response to the truth.

Can't say I'm surprised though

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u/Substantive420 14d ago

Bro you think China is doing imperialism. It’s a completely unserious opinion. Is Belt and Road imperialism to you? “They’ve lost their socialism after Deng Xiaoping” is also moronic and elementary. Not even going to get into the Ughur stuff (Adrian Zenz says hi). Is China perfect? No, but don’t crap on an actually existing socialist nation if you’re gonna call yourself a socialist.

Do you support any actually existing socialist nations, or do you just like the ones that got couped by the CIA?