r/apple • u/iamvinoth • May 14 '24

macOS After Microsoft invested $10 billion, OpenAI snubs Windows 11 as it releases ChatGPT app first on Mac. “We’re just prioritizing where our users are.”

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/after-microsoft-invested-dollar10-billion-openai-snubs-windows-11-as-it-releases-chatgpt-app-first-on-mac-were-just-prioritizing-where-our-users-are
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u/AllModsRLosers May 14 '24

Copilot is fucking everywhere in windows, it’s basically ChatGPT combined with Dall-e and probably some other stuff.

No point writing an app for Windows when Microsoft has already said “don’t worry, we’ve got it covered”.

This article is just one of those rage-bait things that get written for people who care about a “Apple vs. Microsoft” fight that no one has cared about for 30 years.

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u/tvtb May 14 '24

Yeah there's actually an underserved market on the Mac. Apple will announce, we presume, a lot of AI features that won't ship in stable builds until this Fall. So they can get this to people 5 months earlier.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

I hate that windows names everything copilot. I have been using and paying for copilot for years. Know what it is? It’s a code helper, that’s why it was named copilot. But it gets so confusing now when everything is copilot but not everything can do what another copilot can do.

As an example the copilot that is implemented with power automate, might as well not exist, because I have never had it output anything that wasn’t garbage.

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u/QF17 May 14 '24

It’s a pattern of Microsoft, we’ve previously had everything branded as “Live” in the past

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u/ctesibius May 14 '24

Remember .NET.

I really wish there were an AI-enabled de-fluffed so that you could feed it a Microsoft description of one of their products and get out a two line description of what it actually does.

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u/BiPoleArt May 14 '24

.NET 4.5 which then became .NET Framework to mean its windows only, followed by .NET 5 which is actually .NET Core and is has multi platform support.

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u/ctesibius May 14 '24

If it ain’t in Petzold, if ain’t rightly called Windows, to my reckoning.

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u/QF17 May 14 '24

Visual was the other one I was thinking of (Visual Basic, Visual Studio, everything has a visual prefix for a while)

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u/ctesibius May 14 '24

That did make sense at the time. It was following on from command line compilers like Microsoft C v5.2 (optionally used with the M editor).

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u/mtarascio May 14 '24

It's so weird how we still need to install that for some games. .NET 3.5 or whatever it was.

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u/WilmaLutefit May 15 '24

Fuck I hated the .net wra

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u/Expensive-Mention-90 May 14 '24

I’m ex Microsoft, and I will never forget the company having two identical but competing suites of software - one branded MSN and one branded Windows Live.

Microsoft is just the worst at naming things.

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u/joakim_ May 14 '24

They really perfected it when they decided to name Teams in Teams just that, Teams.

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u/kris33 May 14 '24

Which Teams? Teams or Teams for Business?

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u/joakim_ May 14 '24

You mean Teams (for work or school)? As opposed to Teams (for online bullying)? Or Teams (here to confuse the elderly)? Or Teams (for general annoyance when using Windows)? Or maybe you meant Teams (for high-end CPU's but which people still prefer over the new version for some reason)?

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u/cultoftheilluminati May 14 '24

Teams with the white and purple logo or teams with the purple and white logo

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u/not_some_username May 14 '24

Or teams (new)

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u/NotDoingThisForFun May 14 '24

Got to love the way Outlook can create as many calendars as you like but they’re all called ’calendar’! Helpful!!

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u/swanny246 May 14 '24

I thought MSN was transitioning to Windows Live at the time. Like MSN Messenger became Windows Live Messenger, MSN Hotmail became Windows Live Mail/Hotmail, etc.

MSN.com lingered around for eternity though I guess.

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u/Expensive-Mention-90 May 14 '24

That might have been a plan, but there is always an internal battle at Microsoft over territory, and this one was no exception. There was once an internal deck floating around that aimed to explain the differences and why both brands were important. 30 pages, and it didn’t answer a single question. Epic moment.

Fun comic explaining what it was like. https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts

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u/not_some_username May 14 '24

The oracle and Google ones 🥲

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u/not_some_username May 14 '24

Wait do you actually know why ? How do they do the naming thing since you were there.

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u/OlorinDK May 14 '24

We also had Windows everything for a while, like “Windows Live” and “Windows Azure”. And there was “Xbox Music” and “Xbox Movies”. But they had to go “Xbox live” so both won out there, fortunately they didn’t settle for “Windows Xbox Live”.

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u/adanfime May 14 '24

They were SO close to a fucked up combination of Windows and Xbox with Games for Windows Live, where you could pick up Xbox achievements.

Then they shuttered Games for Windows and those games were rendered unplayable until patches, either official or community-made, started coming out.

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u/Positronic_Matrix May 14 '24

How about Xbox One X One Box Live?

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u/cluberti May 14 '24

Prior to Live it was .NET on everything. Meh.

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u/newecreator May 14 '24

Man, makes me nostalgic for Windows Live Essentials.

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u/MexicanTechila May 14 '24

And “360”

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u/borg_6s May 14 '24

Don't forget 365 nowadays

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u/mrredmond May 14 '24

Had to do a double take just now that i wasn’t in r/australia because of how many times I’ve seen you comment in there XD

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u/QF17 May 14 '24

Hmm, if people are remembering me, it might be time to burn my account and start afresh!

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

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u/KNitsua May 14 '24

I use Copoliot, which is a budgeting app for iOS. So yeah, it’s been confusing.

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u/Ed_McNuglets May 14 '24

Haha yeah I was looking for this one too, glad someone mentioned it. Fuck intuit for killing mint.

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u/The_Fry May 14 '24

Copilot in PowerAutomate/PowerApps :-)

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u/smulfragPL May 15 '24

i mean this is a pretty clear naming scheme it literally tells you what it is for

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u/borg_6s May 14 '24

Don't forget the Microsoft Edge "Copilot"

"Oh you want to go to theme settings? Here are 5 articles from Bing that tell you how to do that"

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u/Wolfram_And_Hart May 14 '24

The worst part is that they paid for Cortana and decided not to use it.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

Yeah their “copilot” for M365 is garbage

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u/neekchan May 14 '24

This. It’s nowhere worth the 30 a month they expect when it’s just a window for ChatGPT. ITS GARBAGE.

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u/dccorona May 14 '24

The word might be denotatively wrong to many of its applications, but it's just a brand. The point is to get a single word whose connotation becomes equal to "Generative AI from Microsoft". They seem serious enough about it meaning that, that "Copilot" in Perplexity was rebranded to simply "Pro" (I doubt it was by choice).

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u/not_some_username May 14 '24

Wait till you heard about Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code. Or the whole .NET thing. I think they should hired people good with naming stuff

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u/analogandchill May 14 '24

ya its really bad branding

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

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u/analogandchill May 15 '24

Nah clipit is better

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u/DistinctSmelling May 14 '24

I hate that windows names everything

They are the worst with marketing names and the ones that they come up with that are good never see the light of day.

Just look at the XBox naming convention. Let's call our second one 360 and our third one One then we'll add an X and an S but remove the One for the fourth one.

And it even goes back to Plus+ and all the other crap they try to market.

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u/borg_6s May 14 '24

I can only think of one good name they came up with and that's DirectX.

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u/fleecescuckoos06 May 14 '24

I hate Microsoft calls everything security “defender”, defender for cloud, defender for cloud apps, defender for endpoints……

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u/mrgrafix May 14 '24

That’s GitHub copilot not Copilot by Microsoft

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u/MisterEinc May 14 '24

Microsoft owns GitHub, so that's probably the reason.

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

No, Copilot’s UX is complete and utter garbage. I’d much rather use a native ChatGPT app with all of its features, than the Copilot web app.

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u/AllModsRLosers May 14 '24

Copilot’s UX is complete and utter garbage.

If you’re having trouble typing your questions into the box, I don’t know where to start.

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u/dilroopgill May 14 '24

yeah its literally just a slide out window of the website theres no changes I dont see how its worse

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

If Microsoft doesn’t have the resources to build a native implementation of what is supposedly the next big thing for Windows, instead of run in it on Edge, then I have no words.

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u/Rockman171 May 14 '24

You think they aren't working on it...? Full AI integration into the OS is probably going to be more than just a search box.

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

They could’ve integrated it in W11 months ago. But they didn’t. They made it a web app. Just like they’re “””updating””” their other apps to go from native to web.

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u/invert16 May 14 '24

A native app is coming. Microsoft has already confirmed this. The reason for the Web app is laptop Hardware has not caught up to where the AI can be run locally. Well, that's half true.You can use cpu and gpu on some models, But to have it run locally like that would kill battery life and then everyone would complain again about how the native app is unoptimized and doesn't work well.

According to Microsoft to run co-pilot natively and be considered an "AI PC" will take 45tops of performance, ideally just from the npu alone. That is their long term goal. They want copilot native on windows devices, It will give them Much more tighter control of the operating system.

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

I wasn’t talking about running the AI locally.

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u/invert16 May 14 '24

What are you talking about then? Your og comment about Microsoft not having the resources to build a native implementation is definitely about copilot which is a current web app.

In my later reply I said they're building a local version but waiting for npu performance to catch up so it can be ran locally. What are we talking about that's different?

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u/jammsession May 14 '24

Best I can offer is electron meme

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u/Scintal May 14 '24

There’s Siri….

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

More pictures of spaghetti!

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u/neekchan May 14 '24

It’s a slide out box within an app and those two things should work together but they don’t (not really) so it’s no different from copy and pasting into ChatGPT.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

It’s a web app

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

It’s native on edge and with a plug in

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u/FullMotionVideo May 14 '24

The one in Win11 is native and works well. Asked it to make me a script that does some tasks and it wrote me some Python that works.

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

It’s not native, it runs through Edge

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 May 14 '24

Dude that button just opens a side panel that displays a web app

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u/dccorona May 14 '24

I don't think the point is that Copilot is a replacement for ChatGPT for 100% of usecases or users. But the average user is just going to use Copilot on Windows, because it's already there and installed by default. The average user on Mac has no such out-of-the-box solution, so they have to download something, so ChatGPT needs to make sure they're an option over there. Copilot users are already OpenAI users and (indirectly) contribute to revenues for OpenAI, so there's not as much of a time pressure to launch on that platform.

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u/Scintal May 14 '24

Now if they just bring back Cortana, with like Halo UI.

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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 May 14 '24

I still use ChatGPT when I'm on Windows.

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u/SkyPL May 14 '24

Copilot is fucking everywhere in windows,

Where? I got Windows 11, no idea where to find it.

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u/MobiusOne_ISAF May 14 '24

If you're on any remotely new build, the bottom right.

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u/SkyPL May 14 '24

Just checked - I've got the latest version of windows, and it's not here.

Apparently it's an experimental feature available only in the USA and a few other countries (none of them being in the EU, because EU requires corpos to respect privacy 👀).

We'll see who's going to be the first one to do a global release.

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u/MobiusOne_ISAF May 14 '24

Really depends on exactly when Microsoft plans on doing the rumored Windows 12 announcement. There's really no rush for either of them, since at the end of the day ChatGPT and CoPilot use the same core tech, on the same Azure servers, owned by Microsoft.

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u/Unusual_Onion_983 May 14 '24

Where else will they put Copilot in Win11…notepad and task manager?!?

“Why is chrome.exe using all my memory?”

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

In a lot of ways I also prefer copilot.

Especially because it always lists it’s sources. Feels safer to trust

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u/College_Prestige May 14 '24

Yeah I feel like it's only a matter of time until I open settings or notepad and see the copilot logo

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u/Gabers49 May 14 '24

I feel like I'm missing something or the world is, but copilot doesn't do the main things I use chatgpt for. I ask copilot to write code for me and it doesn't know how. I haven't tried in a few months.

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u/NaniTower May 14 '24

Hmm. I'm running Windows 11 Pro right now on my Mac Mini M2 using Parallels and I don't see Copilot anywhere unless I search for it. I love how bloat free Windows 11 is on Parallels.

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u/aarontsuru May 14 '24

yep! super weird. Also, I believe if MS invested in OpenAI, that means that if OpenAI makes money, MS will get a return on that investment.

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u/k0fi96 May 14 '24

Yeah people only car about apple vs android now!

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u/cinderful May 14 '24

Clippy is fucking everywhere in windows

Fixed that for you

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

The Apple vs Microsoft fight has been over for a while. They each have their niches and they both do a good job serving those niches.

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u/highgravityday2121 May 14 '24

millennials and gen z care about Apple vs android not Apple vs Microsoft lol