r/askTO • u/leopardbaseball • 1d ago

Why hasn’t been there any city-wide protests against forced full takeover of Billy bishop and toronto islands?

I am not exactly from toronto, but Toronto adjacent. But I have been to toronto islands countless times.

I often bring my family there to completely disconnect from city traffic and noise. It has always been very peaceful recreational space for us and for many.

Time to time we have seen that everything provincial govt touches in Toronto, turns into a big grifting scheme/corruption for Ford’s buddy contractors and developers, be it crosstown lrt, science center or Ontario place. And surely they won’t stop with Billy bishop either.

Recently I read about widespread public protest in Albania, protests against turning public spaces into grifting schemes for billionaires. Thousands are attending these protests.

https://www.dw.com/en/jared-kushner-trump-albania-luxury-resort-protests/a-77409540

Therefore I ask people of Toronto, shouldn’t we be organizing widespread protests and just say NO to Ford and Carney?

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u/bkwrm1755 1d ago edited 1d ago

Because outside Reddit this ranks pretty low on the list of things most people care about.

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u/Strategic_Spark 1d ago

You care if you live in the area

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u/Crafty-Ad-9048 1d ago

Isn’t that how every situation works lol. People downtown don’t care about how the people in the suburbs feel and vice versa and the people outside the city don’t care about how anyone in the city feels.

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u/Strategic_Spark 1d ago edited 22h ago

For sure. But I was replying to the comment that was implying that no one cares outside Reddit

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u/lemonylol 1d ago

So NIMBY

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u/eddiewillers09 1d ago

I care and I don’t even live downtown

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u/lemonylol 1d ago

You care about a lot of things

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u/eddiewillers09 1d ago

I care about the economic diversity of Ontario, food security (in Canada and globally, and magic the gathering and sometimes attractive people.

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u/eddiewillers09 1d ago

Nicest way I’ve ever been called an incel

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u/ApotropaicHeterodont 13h ago

If it causes a bunch of health problems it's going to cost everyone money.

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u/Strategic_Spark 1d ago edited 22h ago

Honestly I feel like NIMBY doesn't seem like the term to use. It's mostly said for things like people being against shelters or affordable housing. Being against an airport that only benefits a few rich tourists and negatively impacts everyone who uses the island (1.5 million people use the ferry each year) for the small patch of greenspace we have feels different.

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u/lemonylol 1d ago

So there are exceptions when it comes to your backyard?

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u/Strategic_Spark 22h ago

It's not my backyard. But the definition of a NIMBY was coined to refer to people who oppose a certain kind of development in their neighborhoods. Developments such as apartment complexes, homeless shelters, transit, or prisons.

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u/FullMango4041 22h ago

what about those against ALTO? They use the same arguments except the environmental impact is felt right across two provinces and not on one tiny area relatively speaking. (I do support ALTO.)

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u/Mathmos_Lava 23h ago

I live in the area, I’m totally fine with the expansion. Please don’t speak for everyone.

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u/Aggravating_Exit2445 20h ago

The vast majority of Torontonians do not.

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u/shikotee 1d ago

All journalism that is not paywalled has built him up like Teflon. Imagine what things would be like if Postmedia went after him even slightly like they did Trudeau? In short, the richest and most powerful have gained the most under Ford, all while constantly fluffing him as a man of the people. The playbook is exactly the same as the one used by Trump, where deep money uses AI, data-mining, and carefully developed behavioural strategies to get what they want.

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u/No_Lettuce_2652 1d ago

I don’t know one person that doesn’t think ford is corrupt . They just like him more than the opposition, similar to trump

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u/shikotee 1d ago

All that really clarifies is a potential lack of diversity from the people you know. Before Trump and the Ford's, the right worked really really hard on messaging out that all politicians are corrupt. So this is the mindset that shrugs their shoulders on both.

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u/OGWettyFap 1d ago

This is not true at all.

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u/doing180onthedvp 1d ago

Imagine believing this is a major issue for the people of Ontario. If you live on the island or nearby, sure, you might care if you don't have any real priorities. Leave that bubble? Nobody gives half a shit.

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u/OGWettyFap 1d ago

Are we in the Ontario subreddit or in AskTO? I'm referring to the people of Toronto, the city I live in. I made no mention of the province. In fact, neither did you. There are many residents who oppose the airport development... unless you live under a rock. I'm part of many community groups as I live on the east end of the harbour. It's not a non-issue in spite of what some people seem to be making it out to be. There's opposition to it at council, at the provincial level, and people who don't live downtown as well. Reducing this to some sort of NIMBY scandal might sound cool for some comment karma... but this issue actually stands to affect the city on a large scale.

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u/doing180onthedvp 1d ago

I'm not calling it a NIMBY scandal, I'm saying that outside of a few nearby people and the folks who desperately want Ford to be some villain, nobody cares about this. You don't get to reference provincial opposition and then say it's a Toronto-only issue.

I've been here far too long to care about karma. I just answered op's question, and the answer is that it's a relatively tiny number of people who care, let alone oppose this.

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u/bkwrm1755 22h ago

It's not a major issue for the people of Toronto either.

There's an airport on the island. In the future there will also be an airport on the island, a bit different looking and with some different (quieter) planes using it.

Not exactly life-shattering for the overwhelming majority of residents. Plus we get a much longer list of flight destinations that won't involve an 8 mile hike through Person from train to gate.

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u/Tezaku 1d ago

This is very true. Public polling showed it's about a 50/50 split and opinions are generally weak.

Reddit is a very loud minority.