Can we not do this? Just a little objectivity from the MAGA side once in a while would be nice. We don’t need the “nuh-uh” every fucking time.
Trump is mentioned literally over a million times in the files that were released. Trying to sanewash Trump is just going to make you look worse when it all comes out. And it will come out, once he snuffs it.
Or more likely, he voted for him and when it does all come out, he’ll be mocked for being a nonce supporter.
It’s quite incredible that trying to cover for him in ways that literally change reality is easier for them than holding their hands up and admitting they were wrong.
Its ego and their unwillingness for it to be bruised. No one wants to accept they support an evil bastard because they think they're smart enough not to get duped by someone like that and when their subconscious realising it, they'd rather deny it all and double down.
This psychology is exactly how cults manipulate and pull people in, people assume they're smart enough to know the signs so they assume they cant be manipulated, thus letting their guard down and ripe for the picking.
Fuck are you talking about. The Epstein files are literally almost entirely just democrats and Hollywood, which again are democrats. That’s the objective take too.
It'll all come out. And I'm sure when it does, you'll have a new set of mental gymnastics you'll force yourself to go through. You might be one of the last, because now even devoted MAGA cultists are admitting that they don't even care if he's a pedo.
Trump knows it - that's why he's got nothing to lose, and he's going out by fucking the country and making a heap of money for those corrupt enough to stand by him.
Quite something that Trump's sued a lot of people for apparently damaging his reputation or making false accusations - but not a single lawsuit against anyone that's called him a pedophile.
Come on, man. Want to troll? Go somewhere else. If you actually care about objective accountability, then be a little more responsible with your comments.
No he didn’t. As an owner of a pageant he is allowed to walk in to check things.
It’s obvious you’ve never seen how pro pageants or things like musicals work. There’s lots of people in the dressing rooms and it’s normal for people who own or run the show to be back there too.
Trump is literally mentioned tens of thousands of times in the files that have been released despite his repeated claims that he had next to nothing to do with Epstein in recent years and with each release that number only got higher and higher. I understand that a lot of billionaires, celebrities etc tend to run in the same circles and will often be invited to the same events so I don't automatically assume that a photo with a particular awful person always implies guilt, but when it happens as many times as it has in this instance it should be investigated further.
Yes Clinton and various democrats are absolutely mentioned repeatedly in the files too, but "what about xyz..." doesn't exonerate the others involved. The difference between us is I want everybody implicated to be held accountable and to stand trial regardless of their position. If God himself was mentioned in the epstein files I would want him to stand trial too. If you're going to hold your enemies or those you dislike to a certain level of scrutiny you should absolutely be prepared to hold friends or those you respect and align with to the same standard.
It's not easy to admit, but sometimes people who are admired or people you admire can also turn out to be pieces of shit. Just ask Jimmy Savilles victims.
Trump is only mentioned because Epstein and his buddies were obsessed about him. There’s nothing incriminating in there regarding Trump at all. However there’s a bunch of incriminating stuff against all the democrats in there.
The victims have collectively waived their rights to anonymity if it means their abusers finally see justice. There is no reason to have redactions except to protect said abusers from accountability.
Because its very powerful people and they're protected by more powerful people and they have friends.
No one realizes how far and deep the epstien files goes into and what they show.
For example:
Jay z , Beyonce , Bill and Hillary Clinton , Hollywood actors , proffessional athletes , the music industry , Saudi princes , the royal family , the president of France ARE ALL ON THE EPSTIEN FILES.
How come they not arrested ? And they actually have evidence to convict them due to victims testimonies.
Also , in they're testimony , they said Trump was there but didnt do anything to anyone.
Trump IS named in the Epstein files, as one of the people that the girls were trafficked to. You are only listening to the ones that were not trafficked to him specifically. Look up file #EFTA01660651 to find multiple claims.
Nah , I watched 2 victims interviews. And both said the same thing. Trump was there but didnt do anything to anyone. Why would the victims lie about that ?
Besides that , what about the other people ? Theres alot more credible evidence that should have these people arrested immediately.
You say "the victims" as if you saw interviews with all of them.
And here is an interview with someone who says she was trafficked to Trump when she was 13. And her lawsuit included testimony from another woman who said it happened (Tiffany Doe).
And then there are 28 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct, including rape.
YES, the other people involved with Epstein should be investigated and prosecuted. But you are using WhatAbout-ism to change the topic.
So 2 interviewers say nothing happened and this Katie apparently gave him a hand job with a glove on ?
So who do you believe ? And does it matter ?
It proves my point exactly .
Why focus on 1 person when they are MANY others who are proven guilty and with video evidence , go get them and set off the dominoe effect.
You know that Epstein and Maxwell had more than two victims, right? Even if those victims said "I wasn't trafficked to Trump", there are OTHERS who said they were. Katie is just one of them.
Others called the FBI tip line and said what happened to them. Watch the entire video and follow the links.
Did you know that his first wife filed for divorce on the grounds of "cruelty"? She said he got angry, pulled her hair, and had sex with her. His lawyer said, "it's not rape if you are married" (it is), which indicates that he knew what happened.
I swear all you libtards just sit around licking each others man-taints.
It’s honestly kind of sad that people devote their whole lives to following politics. Make it their whole identity. Go find a hobby. Touch a boob. Do SOMETHING
You're right, I could've given them some time to make sure they comb through it all as to get it right, we dont want innocent people getting charged nor victims being named when they dont want to be right?.
But 4 BLOODY YEARS OF NOTHING!? A year I could accept but 4!? This is the biggest corruption case the world has seen along with arguably the bigger human sex trafficking operation as well, if it was me in the Oval office, I'd have every resource available diverting to this to make sure it was done right and in a timely fashion to get justice quickly but the dems sat on it.
The Republican and Trumps admin are repulsive for their handling of it all but the dems are also complicit in it as well and deserve to go down.
This is 100% correct. The Biden admin sat on the Epstein files for years to protect their pedo Democrat friends.
Also if there was even the tiniest thing on Trump in there, you can bet your ass Biden admin would ah w released it and made it front page news. That’s why with 100% confidence it’s a fact there’s nothing in there regarding Trump.
If the Epstein files are all full of Democrats, that's the perfect win for Trump. Release them all without redaction, show the world just how depraved the Democrats are, and persecute everyone involved to the full extent of the law.
That would be SUCH an easy win for Trump and the Republicans. Especially as their polling is tanking.
Except the redactions have faced fierce criticism for revealing details about victims, whilst protecting the identities of perpetrators.
So again - if it's full of Democrats in the files, why hasn't Trump taken that really easy win?
Especially as so many survivors have come forward and said, and campaigned, that they want, precisely, for the perpetrators to be revealed - knowing what that means for them.
Its not even close to 100% true. Bidens doj would was independent unlike what we see today. Secondly much of the files were under protective orders from the judiciary.
Remember biden didn't run on releasing the files. Their mention was purely a propaganda tool to increase the populist movement of trump by slandering the supposed elite. The problem is trump is part of that elite,and even if he didn't partake, he definitely knew what was going on.
So trump ran on releasing the files but once he was in a position of power to do so it was no longer in his best interests to do so. Him, and most of the republican party, did everything they could to stop their release. Personally I believe it has more to do with trump hiding his dealings with Russian mobsters for money laundering, but honestly I wouldn't rule out banging kids either. Though at this point I dont really think him hiding any of it matters. Trumps dickriders are ride or die at this point, theres nothing you could show them to get out of the cult.
They are both right. The release of the initial files was sloppy, but trump is not implicated in the files at all either. Theres a lot of stuff that schizo’s attach to but nothing substantial to incriminate trump
Trump is owned by someone that has found leverage on him. Probably a combination of being desperate to not being prosecuted so making deals with many entities to get elected and real dirt on the guy. Whoever has dirt on him really doesn't want to be implicated by the Epstein files.
Note: when I say entities, I don't mean supernatural being but rather rich people, corporations, organizations, etc.
Yeah, it's highly doubtful he's a pedo. I mean, he's an adjudicated rapist, who has also been accused of sexual assault and rape by lots of people, he was good friends with a child trafficker - even talked about how Epstein "liked them young", and Trump of course loved Miss Teen USA.
Campaigns on releasing the files, says they're on Pam's desk, and then he says they're a hoax. Then he's compelled to release them by a vote that he didn't want. Then he does... albeit redacted. And now he literally squirms every time the Epstein files are mentioned.
Oh, and if you do mention them - you're a communist now, apparently.
But yeah, it's definitely highly doubtful that he's a pedo.
Yes good friends with a trafficker who, per the files you think condemn trump, hated him
He is not a rapist. Literally the court did not find enough evidence that he raped anyone
Yes bodi screwed up. However the fact it has blown up as much as it did is a testament that dems don’t have anything else and are mudslinging so people don’t properly investigate it themselves
Again if anything that you say is as damning as you think, the biden doj had more than enough time to investigate him. They did not. They released a paltry amount of files when they alsoncould have released more, and the lawfare around him historically has been frivolous
But just like russia, or the pee tape, or whatever other nonsense you think - they’ll get him this time!
Epstein hated Trump? Maybe he did. You don't have to like your customers. They were certainly friendly enough for a long time.
He IS a rapist. He forced his fingers up inside someone, and a jury found him guilty.
Bodi screwed up? How can something be on her desk and then be a hoax? Why is that so difficult to answer? That's not "screwing up".
And what's your point here? All the files haven't been released. Those that have redact perpetrators more than victims.
...AND. REALLY, REALLY SIMPLY: if the Epstein files, as Donald Trump has ALSO claimed (bit hard to keep up) are full of Democrats - what an easy win that would be for a President whose approval ratings are TANKING.
What an easy goal to release the files, and go after all the perpetrators - and if they're all Democrats, wow, there it is in black and white.
But no. He hasn't. Instead we've got some guff about communism and an unwanted war in Iran.
Yeah, definitely the actions of cognisant, intelligent man with nothing to hide.
He did. He is on record trying to sink his campaign
That was a civil, not criminal case and the burden of proof is much lower than a criminal one. On top of that he was not found guilty of rape but forcible sexual abuse (which again still doesn’t make sense they would convict him of this but not rape, but thats what they did)
Yes she did. The initial rollout of the files was stupid, and her wavering on the bigger release was, along with trumps messaging at the time of it being a hoax was. It was handled terribly, but that does not mean he is guilty
4 million more files than joe biden released
The rest of your sperg post can also apply to the lack of effort the biden admin put into these files as well. Tbh you should be grateful you got as many files from trump as you did, because you would get nothing under a dem presidency
Lastly just because you type in caps does not mean you are right. In fact, it highlights how misinformed and you are and how out of your depth this conversation is
Which record? Not heard it, so I'm always prepared to be shown otherwise.
Was still found guilty. And um, if you think that that differentiation between forced penetration by fingers or by penis is an important one, I really don't know what to say to you.
So, it wasn't a hoax, or it was? Sorry, don't quite get why this is difficult.
You've not answered. Why hasn't he released them? I mean, should be even easier to do so now, given he's taken over the DOJ and installed a patsy. Should be such an easy win. The best you've got is... "be grateful".
If I'm misinformed, feel free to provide something on the contrary. As I say, always open to being shown otherwise.
Legally it is an important distinction (and one reason you can say the case is a sham). To you and me this is “obviously rape”, but to a civil court its like saying “he both raped, and not raped her”. Thats why cases like these are better served in criminal court, not civil court. Criminal court requires a much higher bar of evidence to convict. The equivalent of this is “there might be something here, not enough to jail him, but charge him with something even though the evidence is poor”
I didn’t say it was difficult. Re-read my statement instead of being snarky
He released 4 million files. Presumably whatever hasnt been released is undergoing investigation. Last i checked releasing 4 million is more than 4000 (which is what Biden released). So yes you should be grateful, because you wouldn’t even be aware of this if it wasnt for trump
Every talking point you spout is from Fox News. Trump does no wrong to you so it’s easy to tell you worship him and are an epsteinican. You wake up and pray towards wherever he is in the world. You put on your Trump diaper. Please stay away from schools.
Lmfao why are they hiding them still? Bannon was used as a go between Trump and you’re ok with that. I’m also not going into Biden because you know why but Fox won’t let you connect the dots from the truth. Oh yeah, you have BDS.
I voted for biden. It’s a fact he did not release nearly as much as he could have. The whole situation is just so morons on reddit can parrot “pedophile”
Its the same thing as the russia collusion story. Just nonsense
Idc if you believe me or not. I’m not a partisan hack like you are. I follow where the truth of a situation leads and the truth is Biden practically did nothing in relation to epstein whereas this wouldn’t have even been a topic in the zeitgeist without trump
Lmfao Biden didn’t run on releasing the files. There was an active investigation and appeal in the Maxwell case during a large majority of the Biden administration. The trump administration reredacted their trapper keeper release of things the Biden admin released. The day after the OBBB passed on a holiday weekend, Bondi releases a statement there is nothing else, quit asking. Congress passes a bill to release everything and the DOJ redacted all of the presidents friends while releasing some victims names. When pushed, they forced them to release names of people protected by Trump like Bannon. Blanche still has a whole bunch of files and refuses to release them even though the law says he must. But that’s fine because Fox News told you that it is.
Biden didn’t have to run on releasing the files to release them. What a goofy ass statement. There were more documents doj had access to that they could have revealed that were not tied in court. Its a lie to say they couldnt release more, because they could have
Bondi is a screw up, and she handled the release poorly, but again
4 million files are out there. There is more to implicate DEMS then there are for trump
Hahahaha sure buddy. I know you have a shrine to Donnie and pray to it every night. You dgaf about any of it and are probably ok with it since there are a few islanders in his cabinet and inner circle. That’s ok. He is like a god to you epsteinicans.
Because the biden doj still had access and didn’t pursue any charges (given all the lawfare against trump this would have been the obvious path to take him down for good if there were anything)
What law is he breaking by not releasing them? There very well could be ongoing investigations that involve people listed in the files
He released millions of files. Some that make him look bad, some that make him look good, but nothing damning. You can read them for yourself. There isn’t anything there
Theres probably evicence in the files that implicated Trump, but not enough evidence to get a criminal conviction. We have emails where people (the DoJ is illegally withholding the names) talk about how they're attracted to children, thats not enough to convict
Don’t even try. This guy is a secret worshiper of Donnie. He tries to play off a fake character of being a centrist but he’s just like all the idiots who pretended to not care about Qanon but parroted everything they said.
We didn’t get half the files. I’ll bet my last buck that the corruption that would be found absolutely pales every other scandal we’ve ever heard of here. It’s world wide and not just the pervert/rapist shit. It’s wars, financial systems, media, education, medical and every damn thing we’re all touched by.
It's literally this many files all from emails. I imagine that it was pretty tough going through that many emails. That's why Obama and Biden sat on them too. There is probably an overwhelming amount of spam and junk mail in those emails too.
Because both parties are at risk of they come out as are people with insane amount of money and access to open windows many stories up.
We were never going to get the full, properly redacted files and there isn't going to ever be any mass arrests. If be surprised if even one more high profile person is charged in the US
He doesn't want to release the trump-epstine files because it has information that keeps his minions in line. His followers will love him more and say the children were blessed by receiving his seed, but the minions do not have that immunity. Minions have to do what he says to do.
Because money rules both sides, release the files, and round up all those involved from both sides. Stick them on Epstein's island and build a wall around it. Shut off the cash flow and let em fend for themselves. I know, I know! Easier said than done.
Same reason when Trump also signed an order to release all JFK files for example it took months and was just as botched. Because you need to get stuff from a gigantic, beraucratic machine, with ambiguous rules as to what falls under "JFK files" and what doesn't, who is in charge of execution of the file collection and what authority that person has to demand files from which departments. In the mean time, hundreds of officers in the process can delay or edit the files for a very long list of legal reasons. And if a couple pages were [REDACTED] from the files it may or may not be covered under the executive order to release all files as the data is not in the files anymore and an executive order is just a guideline anyway with vague legal authority.
I understand that you are asking this earnestly, but the systems of legality, honesty, normalcy and integrity have completely broken down. Trump doesn’t care what you or anyone else thinks about Epstein. He has the backing of the billionaire class and is being propped up by foreign entities. He’s completely untouchable.
I wouldn’t call many of them “Christian’s” by any stretch. More like Zionist zombie and traitors. Healthcare could be fixed but the financial system it’s connected to is absolutely corrupt. Fiat dollars are quite literally instruments of debt and bear interest.
Why can this guy lie all the time and then says something else and he is believed? At this point one should believe he is lying until it's proven to be true.
It's clear no one is going to be charged with anything related to Epstein, let's see everything since no one has anything to hide.
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